pretty sure I made my complaint clear, I don't understand the pricing on the gamepass early access, not sure what PS5 or Switch have to do with that
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Baseball is a sport where the results don't always match the process, hard hit balls are sometimes outs, weak hit balls are sometimes hits, I know I see some pitches where I know I don't need perfect contact to loop it over the infielders head, just good enough contact, we don't get enough info regarding our opponents inputs to actually know what went on, with that being said, good process will win more often than not over the long haul, small sample size is not super useful in baseball. And as a pitcher you are trying to make them swing and miss or create poor contact, so looks like you were pitching effectively, some balls just happened to find some holes that game.
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Playing with the Rangers who have a bad bullpen, traded for Kirby Yates who the Braves had in AAA to come in and be our closer, Kirby Yates is still in AAA. I have an 83 rated closer in AAA, my highest BP rating is 70, how does he not get called up after the trade?
I know Call Ups are meant to be story driven but maybe after a trade you get one call up/send down?
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I know this is probably more of a microsoft decision as opposed to SDS but the early access bundle for those planning on using gamepass to get the base game is insanely overpriced, for $50 why don't we get the same pre-order bonuses as the digital deluxe version.
Early Access $50
- You Don't Get the Game from this, must have Gamepass access to get the game
- Four Days Early Access.
- 2 Gold Choice Pack.
- 10 Show Packs.
- 1 Ballplayer Pack.
- Double Daily login rewards.
- 10k Stubs
vs.
Digital Deluxe $100
- MLB the Show 22 on Xbox either gen (thought this was implied but clearly not)
- Four Days Early Access.
- Full game. Dual Entitlement for Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S
- One Diamond Choice pack.
- One Cover Athlete Diamond Choice pack.
- Five Gold Choice packs.
- 20 The Show packs.
- One Ballplayer pack.
- Double daily login rewards.
- Cover Athlete Themed Bat Skin.
- 25K Stubs
Standard Pre-order is $70 and gets
- MLB the Show 22 on Xbox either gen (thought this was implied but clearly not)
- Gold Choice pack
- Five The Show packs.
- 10K Stubs
The Math Does Not Add Up
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@halfbutt_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Sadly, the game is a “simulation”.
I wish someone would create a baseball game that was based on input.Super Mega Baseball 3
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@t00muchham_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@t00muchham_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
If you don't have Gamepass then the early access package does not apply to you, I 100% agree with you that if I was not getting the game via gamepass I would get the more expensive option and think the extra price is worth it, you are missing the point, if the early access package was in the $20-$30 range I think that would be much more reasonable.
My post is about the Early Access Package price, not an argument with the normal version vs deluxe version pricing, I am fine with that.
I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription), so the early access price being an extra $50 would double that making it worth the $100 deluxe edition, yet I am getting rewards closer to the $70 version,
First and so I am clear: I agree that the gamepass addition is over-priced.
I disagree with the evaluation, and a different lens may ease some of the frustration. "I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription)," But that's not the actual value of the game in gamepass. if you pay $50 for the subscription, we could argue that its actual value $of sub/number of games.
You could say "well I buy game pass only for TS" Great, and your evaluation dictates your purchasing decision not the value of the product in the market. I agree with the frustration and not the evaluation.
I may just buy to own the game. I put so many hours into it the ROI is ridiculous compared to other games I play.
The issue with your statement, a thought I considered, is that yes, they may be saying we make estimated X amount of money per game from the gamepass deal, fore ease sake lets say approx $20 per game, so the $50 addon would put it in line with the $70 version, however the big difference with the gamepass version is I do not own the game, at any time they can remove it from gamepass and I lose access, buying the early access does not give me the base game though, so if I purchased the early access, and lets say that would be the normal cost of the game plus benefits ($70), I still don't own the game and at any time they can still remove it and I lose access, for $50 it should include the game itself as well to make sense with the gamepass version making less money per game. The package then is more in line with buying the $70 version of the game ($20 per gamepass game + $50 for early access) for those who are already paying something via gamepass.
My values on the market are based on the pricing they put their versions at, I tried to value each part as contributing a value, I.e, $60 Base Game (this is their pricing, not mine) 1 GC pack 5k stubs, next level is $70 with 5 show packs and another 5k stubs for a total of 10k, so you can say that 5 show packs + 5k stubs equals $10. I am not gonna go through the rest but I used their pricing to calculate a value. The deal they made with Xbox for the gamepass is really irrelevant, it only makes sense when realizing that they are trying to make up the difference from the customer without giving the ownership rights that come from buying the version outside of gamepass.
Great points and again: I understand your perspective. While there is a fear of "not owning the game," My question for you is: Do you see them removing the game from gamepass? It's been made pretty clear that the decision to put TS on Gamepass was the MLBs not SDS. That and considering the astronomical numbers Sony/SDS made in profits last year, would it make says financially (and PR) to remove the game? Will it be removed a couple years down the line -- probably. Question: if that is the case, do you see yourself playing MLB 23 in 2023,24,25, etc? Here we are with less than a week until the game comes out and MLB TS 21 is still available to play on game pass.
My perspective might also come with different set of circumstances. I have Gamepass ultimate for a stupid-cheap price right now (and for a while), I play the TS nonstop and coop will only increase that number. I decided to buy the game: I love it, I want to play it early and I was cool with the perks.
I do wonder if they expected players to have a keen eye for the missing perks. The pricing is just off...An explanation would be great. Doubtful we will get one though.
No, I have zero expectation that they will remove the game from gamepass, but if they do for whatever reason I also have no claim to continue access to the game, but on a year to year game ownership value could be easily argued away.
I just calculate about $30-35 worth of value based on their pricing
($20 for the 10 packs and 10k stubs) and ($10-$15 for the rest of what's included in the gamepass early access) (Values based on the Base game vs the $70 version and the $70 version vs the $85)but they are charging $50, just wondering what that other $15 is for? I really want the early access as I love the show, I would happily pay the 50 for early access and the perks from the digital deluxe package, or I would happily pay $20-$30 for the current offering but the current option just doesn't make financial sense.
I don't know what the deal was for the show to be on gamepass, I don't know who had the final call or how decision/settlement was reach but they reached it, I should not be punished by having to pay extra money for no value because they are not happy with the deal, the reality is probably that the addition of xbox and gamepass added tons more users, a percentage of which probably bought stubs and the company did not lose money on the gamepass contract.
p.s. I understand your points as well, we are not that far off from each other
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Update: Kirby Yates demoted to single A, Karinchak in AAA, trading for relievers is tough if they can't make it out of the minors
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I missed that portion of the stream but sounds great, I am all in for offline content
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Lol why would $50 equal $100 you’re not very good at math
How much is the game worth? the game is part of the other packages but since it is included in the gamepass subscription I am already paying for access to the game. so for $50 I am not getting the game since I already own it via gamepass, I am getting early access and the rewards which are very similar to the $70 pre-order, are you telling me the game is $20-$30 without the bonuses? how much value does and extra gold choice pack, 5 more show packs, double login rewards and a ballplayer pack actually have?
Well I’m on ps5 and games are 70 so an extra 30 for all that well worth it
If you don't have Gamepass then the early access package does not apply to you, I 100% agree with you that if I was not getting the game via gamepass I would get the more expensive option and think the extra price is worth it, you are missing the point, if the early access package was in the $20-$30 range I think that would be much more reasonable.
My post is about the Early Access Package price, not an argument with the normal version vs deluxe version pricing, I am fine with that.
I value the base game at around $50 or $60 (which I get by paying for a gamepass subscription), so the early access price being an extra $50 would double that making it worth the $100 deluxe edition, yet I am getting rewards closer to the $70 version,
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I think the way the game usually plays is always super solid, it really is a very good representation of the sport in my opinion, as far as the content I think there is a slight move away from NMS being so easy, I personally can understand that move as long as they stop at a fair balance, NMS Teams could be pretty darn good pretty easily in the past, if they keep shifting that way year by year I might not be as happy in 3 or omre years
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I did not see this post before I made mine, the price for the early access should be $20 or $30 based on the rewards offered, base game value around $50 (from gamepass) + $50 extra for the early access package should get = $100 digital deluxe rewards (which is the option I would prefer over the package costing less)
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@weshill627_psn said in Mini Seasons is lame:
@raesone_psn said in Mini Seasons is lame:
Is it repeatable in the sense that you can earn the pack rewards more than once? If so, this mode is actually worth it. If not, meh.
Yes it is repeatable, but the only way to get Evan Longeria is through the mode, you have to win the championship. Its very GRINDY and boring.
There are cards locked behind every mode aren't there? cards you can only get by playing BR, cards you can only get by playing ranked seasons, cards you can only get by playing conquest, if you really don't want to play the mode, earn enough stubs playing something else to buy the card on the market, typically these types of cards are not expensive.
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@t00muchham_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@goozefn_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@t00muchham_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Love it anytime someone doesn’t agree with agenda it’s a troll. Xbox users getting game at a fraction of price for second year in a row and long time ps users paying full price. Too cheap wait until the 5th pretty simple
"stop complaining" is not a rebuttal, its an attempt to shutdown a conversation. Also I uh
...bought the deluxe edition $100 ain't cheap hahaha.You can disagree and at least contribute to a conversation. Sorry Sony doesn't provide a game service -- gamepass is awesome.
I never said stop complaining. I don’t think you understand how quotations work.
Not quoting you, good attempt at an inference though. And again, the game is not free, it is apart of a subscription. That is not a issue of comprehension, its an issue of logic -- I do not like your poor logic.
Please, go back to your bridge.
Common tactic, clearly upset that PS and Switch don't have a service like gamepass, therefore they are bothered by someone who has gamepass complaining about anything. Rather than form a logical opinion, just spout nonsense and false truths to distract from the valid question.
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I was part of the official release crew and I was expecting to have server issues, I did not experience a single one. Am I in the minority or were the servers generally good for others too?
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For those that don't want to go back and read the actual complaint, here is the summary.
The complaint is about the pricing on the Gamepass Early Access PricePackage includes
($20) = 10 show packs (1 pack = 1k stubs) + 10k Stubs I can go to The Show store and buy 24k stubs for $20 after release so value is less
($15) = Early Access + 2 Gold Choice Pack + 1 Ballplayer Pack + Double Daily login rewards (Value based on $70 version benefits vs $85 benefits, missing the Diamond player pack so again value a little lessThat is a total of $35 using SDS own valuation of each item. The price of the Package is $50, the question is, What is the extra $15 for?
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@ecureuil2011_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
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I went to extras to beat this type of hitter:
Because when I had good input this happened:
Stop rewarding bad input!!!
I'm curious what your timing was on some of those 14's? I know I'll have 14-15's placement, but I'll be early or late. Which usually results in a fly out or grounder. Which I can't really complain when it happens to me.
I believe every 14 was just late.
If the ball wasn’t up in the pci with a power hitter, it’s going to be a fly out every time. If the timing was good, then I would have some questions.
So, how am I supposed to go the other way? becuase late side of good is a Flyout and just late weak contact… very early or very late bloop hits?
Welcome to the show. SDS has never been able to figure out just late timing can result in good hits too.
Wasn't there a year that the meta was "be late, be great"?
There was a year that was the major complaint, people just want to find a reason their opponent shouldn't have won and how everything they do is perfect, we all get crappy hits and give up crappy hits, over the long haul better players will win more often than not
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@wolfski0412_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
For those that don't want to go back and read the actual complaint, here is the summary.
The complaint is about the pricing on the Gamepass Early Access PricePackage includes
($20) = 10 show packs (1 pack = 1k stubs) + 10k Stubs I can go to The Show store and buy 24k stubs for $20 after release so value is less
($15) = Early Access + 2 Gold Choice Pack + 1 Ballplayer Pack + Double Daily login rewards (Value based on $70 version benefits vs $85 benefits, missing the Diamond player pack so again value a little lessThat is a total of $35 using SDS own valuation of each item. The price of the Package is $50, the question is, What is the extra $15 for?
Maybe it's priced high intentionally to give a bit of an advantage to PS customers. After all, xbox customers get it for free on gamepass and that's a bad look considering it was a PS exclusive for so long.
I'm also trying to figure out how $35 vs $50 is "insanely overpriced". I think me and OP have very different definitions of "insane".
Not sure how charging xbox users more helps PS players,
- gamepass is not free,
- the game is not part of the package so the cost of the game really does not apply.
- $50 is 40% (almost double) more than $35, to me that is insane, to you maybe not, not gonna argue that point as it is personal opinion.
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@wolfski0412_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@wolfski0412_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@wolfski0412_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Sony was happy about the inclusion of Xbox (including gamepass) after the financials came in, PS users have a right to feel screwed, all of that is a separate issue to what I think Rodol1551 summed up very well
" it’s just a bad look charging $50 for so little, when other games in similar situations allow upgrades to their deluxe versions for just the price difference between standard and deluxe.
If this exact package was $25-30, I doubt anyone would complain"
I would add that if the bundle included ownership of the game in the $50 package, I still wouldn't buy it, but I would understand what they are insinuating by charging the extra $15
It's not a bad look, you're just mad because you want it for $25-30 instead of paying the $50 they are asking for. And SDS clearly doesn't mind having the upgrade cost be $25/30 for ps users as they've shown with their pricing...like i've said this feels intentional and intended to be a negative for xbox users. Either a lot of people will pay it, which good for SDS...or a lot of people won't and PS users will have a 4 day headstart on most xbox users...good for PS users.
why not let this thread die if you don't agree with it, How can you say it is not a bad look, but also say it feels intentional and intended to be a negative for xbox users, that is the bad look. I understand as a PS player you feel gamepass is unfair and are happy sony is sticking it to xbox users, the reality is that Sony is sticking it to PS users over and over again, not sure where the undying loyalty is coming from, enjoy your new subscription plan from Sony that still won't include day one releases, your anger is mistargeted towards xbox users instead of the real thing that is screwing you, Sony
First off, not mad. Second off, it's a bad look from the perspective of the entitled xbox users who think the price should be what they decide the price should be...and that's it. Nobody else thinks it's a bad look.
You don't think it is a bad look, fine, I do, and anyone else who reads the complaint can make their own decision. How are xbox users entitled? Not happy about being charged an extra $15 for no reason is entitled? In the end, I am not buying the package and I am no longer spending any extra money on in game add ons, Others can do whatever they feel like.
Oh no, poor xbox user. I'm so sorry SDS is being so mean to you...
Thank you for bumping the thread and keeping it at the top for people to see with comments that add nothing
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@raylewissb47_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@raylewissb47_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@raylewissb47_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@raylewissb47_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@raylewissb47_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@wolfski0412_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@wolfski0412_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@wolfski0412_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Sony was happy about the inclusion of Xbox (including gamepass) after the financials came in, PS users have a right to feel screwed, all of that is a separate issue to what I think Rodol1551 summed up very well
" it’s just a bad look charging $50 for so little, when other games in similar situations allow upgrades to their deluxe versions for just the price difference between standard and deluxe.
If this exact package was $25-30, I doubt anyone would complain"
I would add that if the bundle included ownership of the game in the $50 package, I still wouldn't buy it, but I would understand what they are insinuating by charging the extra $15
It's not a bad look, you're just mad because you want it for $25-30 instead of paying the $50 they are asking for. And SDS clearly doesn't mind having the upgrade cost be $25/30 for ps users as they've shown with their pricing...like i've said this feels intentional and intended to be a negative for xbox users. Either a lot of people will pay it, which good for SDS...or a lot of people won't and PS users will have a 4 day headstart on most xbox users...good for PS users.
why not let this thread die if you don't agree with it, How can you say it is not a bad look, but also say it feels intentional and intended to be a negative for xbox users, that is the bad look. I understand as a PS player you feel gamepass is unfair and are happy sony is sticking it to xbox users, the reality is that Sony is sticking it to PS users over and over again, not sure where the undying loyalty is coming from, enjoy your new subscription plan from Sony that still won't include day one releases, your anger is mistargeted towards xbox users instead of the real thing that is screwing you, Sony
First off, not mad. Second off, it's a bad look from the perspective of the entitled xbox users who think the price should be what they decide the price should be...and that's it. Nobody else thinks it's a bad look.
You don't think it is a bad look, fine, I do, and anyone else who reads the complaint can make their own decision. How are xbox users entitled? Not happy about being charged an extra $15 for no reason is entitled? In the end, I am not buying the package and I am no longer spending any extra money on in game add ons, Others can do whatever they feel like.
Oh no, poor xbox user. I'm so sorry SDS is being so mean to you...
This is why they should have never put the game on Xbox. They whine for years begging to have the game on Xbox and when they finally do get it and on gamepass to boot, they still find something to complain about.
I own a PS and an Xbox, when the game was on PS only I bought it on PS, So I am both a PS user and an Xbox user who is complaining therefore yet another useless comment.
This topic in general is useless. Your complaints are falling on deaf ears. Just wait three days then play it for free then.
It is useless to you, you are on playstation it makes sense that an xbox focused statement would be useless to you.
This statement sums up why PS users are in here
HustlinOwl : "Xbox users getting game at a fraction of price for second year in a row and long time ps users paying full price"
and just cause your ears are deaf doesn't mean everyones are
Yet you are crying about $15. Like I said I Venmo you
You are just not intelligent enough to grasp the complaint, I am done wasting text on you
There it is no valid complaint 35 worth of extras charging you 50 and you’re mad welcome to capitalism don’t like it don’t purchase no one forcing you to spend lol 15 extra
Maybe he can get an advance on his allowance so he can get early access package.
right, cause my comments look like they were written by a kid and yours look like that of a grown a** adult
You are sure acting like a child here. I find it hard to believe an adult would have a problem with something that is optional that costs an extra $15. If you are an adult, I suggest getting a better job if $15 causes you to throw a fit.
and a kid would struggle to get the concept, even though it was clearly pointed out that the dollar amount is not the issue, the message being sent by adding it is
I understand it plenty. It’s just laughable how much this bothers you. I’m sure all the beancounters did the math and determined this was the best price point to maximize profits. Losing your money on you not buying the early release package will be easily made up by everyone that will buy it.
How do you know how much it bothers me, I said my piece and was willing to let the thread die, I have only been responding to comments, although at this point I am over that too
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@wolfski0412_psn said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
@magic1313_xbl said in Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced:
Sony was happy about the inclusion of Xbox (including gamepass) after the financials came in, PS users have a right to feel screwed, all of that is a separate issue to what I think Rodol1551 summed up very well
" it’s just a bad look charging $50 for so little, when other games in similar situations allow upgrades to their deluxe versions for just the price difference between standard and deluxe.
If this exact package was $25-30, I doubt anyone would complain"
I would add that if the bundle included ownership of the game in the $50 package, I still wouldn't buy it, but I would understand what they are insinuating by charging the extra $15
It's not a bad look, you're just mad because you want it for $25-30 instead of paying the $50 they are asking for. And SDS clearly doesn't mind having the upgrade cost be $25/30 for ps users as they've shown with their pricing...like i've said this feels intentional and intended to be a negative for xbox users. Either a lot of people will pay it, which good for SDS...or a lot of people won't and PS users will have a 4 day headstart on most xbox users...good for PS users.
why not let this thread die if you don't agree with it, How can you say it is not a bad look, but also say it feels intentional and intended to be a negative for xbox users, that is the bad look. I understand as a PS player you feel gamepass is unfair and are happy sony is sticking it to xbox users, the reality is that Sony is sticking it to PS users over and over again, not sure where the undying loyalty is coming from, enjoy your new subscription plan from Sony that still won't include day one releases, your anger is mistargeted towards xbox users instead of the real thing that is screwing you, Sony
Lol Xbox guy playing a PlayStation studio game because Xbox has no games got to love it. We know you’re not use to buying games cause of Gamepass
You are clearly not capable of any understanding, you are just a troll that likes to fan the flames, I own a PS and an Xbox, when the show was a PS exclusive I bought it on PS. When gamepass was clearly the better option I switched.
What is Sony doing for you that you are so loyal as to hate the other console, or do you just need to feel included in some group?
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Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced
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Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced
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Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced
Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced
Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced
Xbox Gamepass Early Access Package insanely overpriced