Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?
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@pscrabro_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. Never once in my life heard that he is "the best of all time"....but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily. Add in the fact he was the face of a dynasty in the biggest market in the world adds to it, and he was about as professional as they came.
Not sure how he can be "overrated"
So you would put Jeter in top 5???? Banks, Wagner, Larkin, Yount, Ripken... all better than Jeter outside of rings, but Jeter was on stacked teams every single year. If Jeter played for the Orioles... we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
I said he has an argument. You can't base every single thing off of numbers, but I am absolutely putting him ahead of Barry Larkin and Robin Yount. That's a joke
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@pscrabro_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@kovz88_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
If you wanna say his defense is overrated I can definitely get behind that but as an overall player? No. I don't think you can call anyone with a career .310 batting average overrated.
There's a lot of shortstops that had a career avg. of .300+ though. Nobody is saying he was not top 50, but definitely not top 5. His defense was average at best and wasn't a great hitter, just a good hitter. Nomar had better offensive numbers and was a lot better defensively, but nobody is saying he was great.
I was curious about your first statement so just did some research on that. There are 212 overall players that have a qualifying career batting average of .300 or better. 17 of those played shortstop, but that's including players like Rogers Hornsby or Harvey Kuenn that played SS for 5 seasons or less. Of those 17, only 3 played after 1966 (Jeter, Garciaparra, Trae Turner). 12 of them had careers ending before 1950.
Jeter is 116th all time in career batting average, and 10th or so among shortstops, depending on how many games/seasons at SS you want to use as a baseline for inclusion into the discussion.
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Throughout his career all I ever heard was "if he didn't play for the Yankees, he'd not be as big of a name". His hitting stats look great, but he did play in the roid era, so at that time, It didn't look as good he really was. I think his fielding will always hold him back in the discussion of best SS ever. Until Jeter and the more modern game, most teams would rather have an Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel at the position, now fielding isn't looked at as much as long as you can get on base more than how many runs you allow on defense.
So I think like someone said The Bryce Harper thing, he was called overrated so much that he's becoming underrated.
Ultimately it comes down to what you want to use to define him. If you are going to walk around saying Jeter was the greatest SS to play the game, then yeah you are overrating him. But a guy who is probably top 10 at his position, no not overrated.
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Most people figure out he was very good, not an all time great if they look into his numbers.
I would say overhyped more than overrated.
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@genopolanco_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Most people figure out he was very good, not an all time great if they look into his numbers.
I would say overhyped more than overrated.
The numbers are exactly what make him an all time great...you have it backwards my man.
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@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@genopolanco_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Most people figure out he was very good, not an all time great if they look into his numbers.
I would say overhyped more than overrated.
The numbers are exactly what make him an all time great...you have it backwards my man.
Depends what you consider an all time great. All time great hitting SS. Top 10 for sure. Overall player? His defense hurts him a lot for me, especially playing a premier defensive spot.
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He was a great leader, winner, and hitter. Horrific defense, though. That said, he is vastly overrated due to playing in the Bronx. Not a top 10 shortstop. Top 20, sure.
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As a Red Sox fan, no he wasn’t. I have much respect for Jeter. Is he the greatest of all time? No. Hall of Famer? Without a doubt. That’s the truth, nice attempt at a troll job though.
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Will always be a dumb take. But, people will always continue to make it for attention.
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Really disappointed in the author of that video leaving out one crucial detail that impacted his performance:
Detective Terry Hoitz shot him!!! IN THE LEG!!! GAME 7!!!
I pulled a muscle stretching the other day and I missed a week of work….my typing speed has significantly diminished….and yet we expected him to return and still perform?!?! Shameful animals!!
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@tmichae10_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Really disappointed in the author of that video leaving out one crucial detail that impacted his performance:
Detective Terry Hoitz shot him!!! IN THE LEG!!! GAME 7!!!
I pulled a muscle stretching the other day and I missed a week of work….my typing speed has significantly diminished….and yet we expected him to return and still perform?!?! Shameful animals!!
The Yankee Clipper strikes again
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33 players have ever got 3000+ hits, he’s one of them. Not overrated.
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@tylerslikewhoa_xbl said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. Never once in my life heard that he is "the best of all time"....but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily. Add in the fact he was the face of a dynasty in the biggest market in the world adds to it, and he was about as professional as they came.
Not sure how he can be "overrated"
Watch the video and if you can still call him top I will be shocked. Just because he is popular doesn't mean he is great
I watched him his whole career - he's great no doubt they don't make good players The Captain of the Yankee's.
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Yeah, a guy who has 3000 career hits is the most “overrated” baseball player ever just like the OP is the most unintelligent individual in the history of the world. You see what did there?!?! Lol at morons who use absolutes as a way to justify their argument. You deserve to be mocked and ridiculed for this kind of nonsense. Now if you really want to talk about overrated players go research Brien Taylor. Have a good day kid
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@killerpresence4 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Yeah, a guy who has 3000 career hits is the most “overrated” baseball player ever just like the OP is the most unintelligent individual in the history of the world. You see what did there?!?! Lol at morons who use absolutes as a way to justify their argument. You deserve to be mocked and ridiculed for this kind of nonsense. Now if you really want to talk about overrated players go research Brien Taylor. Have a good day kid
Relax Karen. Just because he is grossly overrated that doesn't make him a bad player. No way should he be a first ballot hall of famer but in DD terms I could see him getting an 86 as his top card.
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I’d say my cap closer is the most overrated player ever.
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@kovz88_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@tmichae10_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Really disappointed in the author of that video leaving out one crucial detail that impacted his performance:
Detective Terry Hoitz shot him!!! IN THE LEG!!! GAME 7!!!
I pulled a muscle stretching the other day and I missed a week of work….my typing speed has significantly diminished….and yet we expected him to return and still perform?!?! Shameful animals!!
The Yankee Clipper strikes again
Should have shot A-rod….
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@kovz88_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@pscrabro_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@kovz88_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
If you wanna say his defense is overrated I can definitely get behind that but as an overall player? No. I don't think you can call anyone with a career .310 batting average overrated.
There's a lot of shortstops that had a career avg. of .300+ though. Nobody is saying he was not top 50, but definitely not top 5. His defense was average at best and wasn't a great hitter, just a good hitter. Nomar had better offensive numbers and was a lot better defensively, but nobody is saying he was great.
I'm not arguing he was top 5, that was someone else. My only argument was that he is not overrated. Personally I wouldn't have him in the top 10 all time but that doesn't mean he's overrated.
This is the point though. To you he’s not overrated because you see him for what he was and what he wasn’t. He’s overrated because there is a large number of fans and baseball writers that see him for much much more than he ever was. That’s how someone is overrated.
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@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. ..but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily.
At best, he was the 2nd best shortstop on his own team.
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@tylerslikewhoa_xbl said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@killerpresence4 said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Yeah, a guy who has 3000 career hits is the most “overrated” baseball player ever just like the OP is the most unintelligent individual in the history of the world. You see what did there?!?! Lol at morons who use absolutes as a way to justify their argument. You deserve to be mocked and ridiculed for this kind of nonsense. Now if you really want to talk about overrated players go research Brien Taylor. Have a good day kid
Relax Karen. Just because he is grossly overrated that doesn't make him a bad player. No way should he be a first ballot hall of famer but in DD terms I could see him getting an 86 as his top card.
Please name one member of the 3000 hit club who isn’t in the Hall of Fame…………..Well……………That’s because there isn’t one other than current players and Ichiro, who isn’t eligible yet. Craig Biggio was the last retired hitter who had 3000 hits and wasn’t in but now he is. If that accomplishment is overrated than I’m not sure what you would consider to be a Hall worthy accomplishment. Also, let’s just be clear, I hate the Yankees. I’m a Braves fan so if anybody has reason to make stupid statements about players like Jeter and other Yankee greats it would be me but I recognize greatness when I see it. And Jeter is certainly an all time great. And yes I am aware that his defensive metrics aren’t the greatest but that man performed on the highest stage at an elite level when it counted and that’s what matters most. So please don’t give me this cookie cutter argument that Jeter was anything other than a great player. It doesn’t hold water.
