Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?
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At one time he was the most overrated player, but he has found his way into what I like to call the Bryce Harper Paradox. He has been called overrated so many times that he is underrated now
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I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. Never once in my life heard that he is "the best of all time"....but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily. Add in the fact he was the face of a dynasty in the biggest market in the world adds to it, and he was about as professional as they came.
Not sure how he can be "overrated"
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@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. Never once in my life heard that he is "the best of all time"....but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily. Add in the fact he was the face of a dynasty in the biggest market in the world adds to it, and he was about as professional as they came.
Not sure how he can be "overrated"
Watch the video and if you can still call him top I will be shocked. Just because he is popular doesn't mean he is great
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@tylerslikewhoa_xbl said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. Never once in my life heard that he is "the best of all time"....but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily. Add in the fact he was the face of a dynasty in the biggest market in the world adds to it, and he was about as professional as they came.
Not sure how he can be "overrated"
Watch the video and if you can still call him top I will be shocked. Just because he is popular doesn't mean he is great
All those Yankees teams were stacked.
If he was on the Twins his whole career nobody would know who he is.
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@tylerslikewhoa_xbl said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. Never once in my life heard that he is "the best of all time"....but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily. Add in the fact he was the face of a dynasty in the biggest market in the world adds to it, and he was about as professional as they came.
Not sure how he can be "overrated"
Watch the video and if you can still call him top I will be shocked. Just because he is popular doesn't mean he is great
I'm not watching any videos. I know all about how the defensive metrics are suspect, but numbers don't lie. The career hits, 200 hit seasons, 30+ double seasons, .310 career average, rings, postseason clutch....you're just trolling at this point if you are putting him outside the top 10.
Let me ask you a question, does this mean Ozzie Smith is overrated because he couldn't hit the ball out of the infield?
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If you wanna say his defense is overrated I can definitely get behind that but as an overall player? No. I don't think you can call anyone with a career .310 batting average overrated.
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@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@tylerslikewhoa_xbl said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. Never once in my life heard that he is "the best of all time"....but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily. Add in the fact he was the face of a dynasty in the biggest market in the world adds to it, and he was about as professional as they came.
Not sure how he can be "overrated"
Watch the video and if you can still call him top I will be shocked. Just because he is popular doesn't mean he is great
I'm not watching any videos. I know all about how the defensive metrics are suspect, but numbers don't lie. The career hits, 200 hit seasons, 30+ double seasons, .310 career average, rings, postseason clutch....you're just trolling at this point if you are putting him outside the top 10.
Let me ask you a question, does this mean Ozzie Smith is overrated because he couldn't hit the ball out of the infield?
Ozzie smith is overrated, so thats a pretty bad comparison imo. Is he the best defensive shortstop ever? Yes, but the difference between Ozzie Smith and Andrelton Simmons isn't all that big.
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@kovz88_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
If you wanna say his defense is overrated I can definitely get behind that but as an overall player? No. I don't think you can call anyone with a career .310 batting average overrated.
This. Have no problem arguing the fact he did not deserve those gold gloves, but you cannot argue as an overall player he is overrated. Not even for a second.
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@kovz88_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
If you wanna say his defense is overrated I can definitely get behind that but as an overall player? No. I don't think you can call anyone with a career .310 batting average overrated.
There's a lot of shortstops that had a career avg. of .300+ though. Nobody is saying he was not top 50, but definitely not top 5. His defense was average at best and wasn't a great hitter, just a good hitter. Nomar had better offensive numbers and was a lot better defensively, but nobody is saying he was great.
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@pscrabro_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@kovz88_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
If you wanna say his defense is overrated I can definitely get behind that but as an overall player? No. I don't think you can call anyone with a career .310 batting average overrated.
There's a lot of shortstops that had a career avg. of .300+ though. Nobody is saying he was not top 50, but definitely not top 5. His defense was average at best and wasn't a great hitter, just a good hitter. Nomar had better offensive numbers and was a lot better defensively, but nobody is saying he was great.
I'm not arguing he was top 5, that was someone else. My only argument was that he is not overrated. Personally I wouldn't have him in the top 10 all time but that doesn't mean he's overrated.
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His defense wasn't great, but that doesn't make him overrated overall. What a silly argument.
All the guy ever did was get hits and he came up clutch more times than not on the biggest stage in the biggest market. Did it all with class as well which resulted in him getting a STANDING OVATION at FENWAY PARK after his final at-bat.
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@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. Never once in my life heard that he is "the best of all time"....but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily. Add in the fact he was the face of a dynasty in the biggest market in the world adds to it, and he was about as professional as they came.
Not sure how he can be "overrated"
So you would put Jeter in top 5???? Banks, Wagner, Larkin, Yount, Ripken... all better than Jeter outside of rings, but Jeter was on stacked teams every single year. If Jeter played for the Orioles... we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
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@pscrabro_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@kovz88_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
If you wanna say his defense is overrated I can definitely get behind that but as an overall player? No. I don't think you can call anyone with a career .310 batting average overrated.
There's a lot of shortstops that had a career avg. of .300+ though. Nobody is saying he was not top 50, but definitely not top 5. His defense was average at best and wasn't a great hitter, just a good hitter. Nomar had better offensive numbers and was a lot better defensively, but nobody is saying he was great.
Amazing how you can confidently say the person with the 6th most hits of all time wasnt a "great" hitter. And lets forget about his ability to score runs and all of the extra base hits too. Not expecting much from a Sox fan though.
Also, Nomar had 7 productive seasons at the plate and eclipsed 200 hits ONCE in his career. He had some solid years but his numbers are far less impressive than people think.
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@pscrabro_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
I dont understand takes like this. Jeter is a top 10 shortstop of all time, and that's just a given. Never once in my life heard that he is "the best of all time"....but he absolutely is top 10 and you can argue top 5 pretty easily. Add in the fact he was the face of a dynasty in the biggest market in the world adds to it, and he was about as professional as they came.
Not sure how he can be "overrated"
So you would put Jeter in top 5???? Banks, Wagner, Larkin, Yount, Ripken... all better than Jeter outside of rings, but Jeter was on stacked teams every single year. If Jeter played for the Orioles... we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
I said he has an argument. You can't base every single thing off of numbers, but I am absolutely putting him ahead of Barry Larkin and Robin Yount. That's a joke
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@pscrabro_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@kovz88_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
If you wanna say his defense is overrated I can definitely get behind that but as an overall player? No. I don't think you can call anyone with a career .310 batting average overrated.
There's a lot of shortstops that had a career avg. of .300+ though. Nobody is saying he was not top 50, but definitely not top 5. His defense was average at best and wasn't a great hitter, just a good hitter. Nomar had better offensive numbers and was a lot better defensively, but nobody is saying he was great.
I was curious about your first statement so just did some research on that. There are 212 overall players that have a qualifying career batting average of .300 or better. 17 of those played shortstop, but that's including players like Rogers Hornsby or Harvey Kuenn that played SS for 5 seasons or less. Of those 17, only 3 played after 1966 (Jeter, Garciaparra, Trae Turner). 12 of them had careers ending before 1950.
Jeter is 116th all time in career batting average, and 10th or so among shortstops, depending on how many games/seasons at SS you want to use as a baseline for inclusion into the discussion.
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Throughout his career all I ever heard was "if he didn't play for the Yankees, he'd not be as big of a name". His hitting stats look great, but he did play in the roid era, so at that time, It didn't look as good he really was. I think his fielding will always hold him back in the discussion of best SS ever. Until Jeter and the more modern game, most teams would rather have an Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel at the position, now fielding isn't looked at as much as long as you can get on base more than how many runs you allow on defense.
So I think like someone said The Bryce Harper thing, he was called overrated so much that he's becoming underrated.
Ultimately it comes down to what you want to use to define him. If you are going to walk around saying Jeter was the greatest SS to play the game, then yeah you are overrating him. But a guy who is probably top 10 at his position, no not overrated.
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Most people figure out he was very good, not an all time great if they look into his numbers.
I would say overhyped more than overrated.
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@genopolanco_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Most people figure out he was very good, not an all time great if they look into his numbers.
I would say overhyped more than overrated.
The numbers are exactly what make him an all time great...you have it backwards my man.
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@jonblaze2424_mlbts said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
@genopolanco_psn said in Is Derek Jeter The Most Overrated Player Ever?:
Most people figure out he was very good, not an all time great if they look into his numbers.
I would say overhyped more than overrated.
The numbers are exactly what make him an all time great...you have it backwards my man.
Depends what you consider an all time great. All time great hitting SS. Top 10 for sure. Overall player? His defense hurts him a lot for me, especially playing a premier defensive spot.
