StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl
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@halfbutt_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Sadly, the game is a “simulation”.
I wish someone would create a baseball game that was based on input.I played a hr derby with some friends on a real field with real bat and real ball. I try to hit bomb by tapping circle randomly in my head and not only it doesn't work, it was also.... not fun at all ! For real this game is ridiculous it's a total nintendo friendly mentality everybody need to be good and will get a trophy.
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@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@kovz88_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Without seeing the numbers for his outs and your hits it's kind of hard to tell whether it not this is bad. For all we know he had just as many well hit balls for outs and you had as many "low PCI" hits.
All of his contact was rated the same, he made bad contact all game but got blessed with 5 hits. I still won but come on
Without the actual numbers we can only take your word for I which is hard to do. Nothing against you but it's hard to take anyone's word on the internet at first glance.
Check out this video, shows that whole frustrating things do happen over the course of a 9 inning game everything will even out and the better player will pull off the win most of the time.
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@kovz88_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@kovz88_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Without seeing the numbers for his outs and your hits it's kind of hard to tell whether it not this is bad. For all we know he had just as many well hit balls for outs and you had as many "low PCI" hits.
All of his contact was rated the same, he made bad contact all game but got blessed with 5 hits. I still won but come on
Without the actual numbers we can only take your word for I which is hard to do. Nothing against you but it's hard to take anyone's word on the internet at first glance.
Check out this video, shows that whole frustrating things do happen over the course of a 9 inning game everything will even out and the better player will pull off the win most of the time.
I got the W, it just took me 3 innings I should’ve never played, the dude somehow managed to take me to extras and bunt cheesed three runs until I walked him off, it’s just frustrating how the game rewards bad input, bad decision making.
About the vid, my favorite content creator, he is the best by far.
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@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@kovz88_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@kovz88_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Without seeing the numbers for his outs and your hits it's kind of hard to tell whether it not this is bad. For all we know he had just as many well hit balls for outs and you had as many "low PCI" hits.
All of his contact was rated the same, he made bad contact all game but got blessed with 5 hits. I still won but come on
Without the actual numbers we can only take your word for I which is hard to do. Nothing against you but it's hard to take anyone's word on the internet at first glance.
Check out this video, shows that whole frustrating things do happen over the course of a 9 inning game everything will even out and the better player will pull off the win most of the time.
I got the W, it just took me 3 innings I should’ve never played, the dude somehow managed to take me to extras and bunt cheesed three runs until I walked him off, it’s just frustrating how the game rewards bad input, bad decision making.
About the vid, my favorite content creator, he is the best by far.
He's definitely one of the better ones. I love that he just laughs off stupid things and admits when he gets lucky.
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@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@mandrykm_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
I went to extras to beat this type of hitter:
Because when I had good input this happened:
Stop rewarding bad input!!!
I'm curious what your timing was on some of those 14's? I know I'll have 14-15's placement, but I'll be early or late. Which usually results in a fly out or grounder. Which I can't really complain when it happens to me.
I believe every 14 was just late.
If the ball wasn’t up in the pci with a power hitter, it’s going to be a fly out every time. If the timing was good, then I would have some questions.
So, how am I supposed to go the other way? becuase late side of good is a Flyout and just late weak contact… very early or very late bloop hits?
Welcome to the show. SDS has never been able to figure out just late timing can result in good hits too.
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Baseball is a sport where the results don't always match the process, hard hit balls are sometimes outs, weak hit balls are sometimes hits, I know I see some pitches where I know I don't need perfect contact to loop it over the infielders head, just good enough contact, we don't get enough info regarding our opponents inputs to actually know what went on, with that being said, good process will win more often than not over the long haul, small sample size is not super useful in baseball. And as a pitcher you are trying to make them swing and miss or create poor contact, so looks like you were pitching effectively, some balls just happened to find some holes that game.
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@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@mandrykm_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
I went to extras to beat this type of hitter:
Because when I had good input this happened:
Stop rewarding bad input!!!
I'm curious what your timing was on some of those 14's? I know I'll have 14-15's placement, but I'll be early or late. Which usually results in a fly out or grounder. Which I can't really complain when it happens to me.
I believe every 14 was just late.
If the ball wasn’t up in the pci with a power hitter, it’s going to be a fly out every time. If the timing was good, then I would have some questions.
So, how am I supposed to go the other way? becuase late side of good is a Flyout and just late weak contact… very early or very late bloop hits?
are you trying to go opposite way on an inside pitch? hard to get great contact doing that, are you early on outside pitches? you are not providing enough info to know what is going on with you, I know I have no problem driving the ball oppo on pitches that are outside, is the pitch a fastball or breaking ball, is your hitter a pull hitter tendency, tendencies matter, where is your pci, is the ball high in your PCI, middle in the PCI, low in the PCI? Hitting the ball on the sweet spot, middle middle is typically more important than timing for a hard hit ball, if your are going for power and try to hit it off the top of the barrel, your results if you miss are gonna usually be long fly outs.
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Let me ask a real question. There is no way of knowing. But is directional OP this year. I played a few games where if the ball was outside of the zone swing and miss if you put it close the ball is hit hard. So of course I pitch outside the zone and they swing wildly. It makes it easy. So I changed up and went that way. Waited for balls in the zone press X. Tater 9 out of 10 times. So why would anyone use a PCI just get a good eye and power swing ball in the ball in the zone or don’t swing and get walked. It’s super fun
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@lioned33_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Let me ask a real question. There is no way of knowing. But is directional OP this year. I played a few games where if the ball was outside of the zone swing and miss if you put it close the ball is hit hard. So of course I pitch outside the zone and they swing wildly. It makes it easy. So I changed up and went that way. Waited for balls in the zone press X. Tater 9 out of 10 times. So why would anyone use a PCI just get a good eye and power swing ball in the ball in the zone or don’t swing and get walked. It’s super fun
And I suck and punctuation, my apologies
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@lioned33_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Let me ask a real question. There is no way of knowing. But is directional OP this year. I played a few games where if the ball was outside of the zone swing and miss if you put it close the ball is hit hard. So of course I pitch outside the zone and they swing wildly. It makes it easy. So I changed up and went that way. Waited for balls in the zone press X. Tater 9 out of 10 times. So why would anyone use a PCI just get a good eye and power swing ball in the ball in the zone or don’t swing and get walked. It’s super fun
Sounds boring to me, not everyone is looking for an easy way out, I personally like to feel some accomplishment and pride in what I do and not know that I won my games cause I was able to find something that required less skill. I have not tried directional or timing hitting, nor do I plan to, so not sure if what you are saying is even true.
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@magic1313_xbl said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@lioned33_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Let me ask a real question. There is no way of knowing. But is directional OP this year. I played a few games where if the ball was outside of the zone swing and miss if you put it close the ball is hit hard. So of course I pitch outside the zone and they swing wildly. It makes it easy. So I changed up and went that way. Waited for balls in the zone press X. Tater 9 out of 10 times. So why would anyone use a PCI just get a good eye and power swing ball in the ball in the zone or don’t swing and get walked. It’s super fun
Sounds boring to me, not everyone is looking for an easy way out, I personally like to feel some accomplishment and pride in what I do and not know that I won my games cause I was able to find something that required less skill. I have not tried directional or timing hitting, nor do I plan to, so not sure if what you are saying is even true.
I agree it’s boring. I did it to see if I was crazy. I’m still going to use PCI, my issue is how is it right that timing and directional is OP compared to PCI which takes skill. That’s all I’m saying.
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@magic1313_xbl said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@mandrykm_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
I went to extras to beat this type of hitter:
Because when I had good input this happened:
Stop rewarding bad input!!!
I'm curious what your timing was on some of those 14's? I know I'll have 14-15's placement, but I'll be early or late. Which usually results in a fly out or grounder. Which I can't really complain when it happens to me.
I believe every 14 was just late.
If the ball wasn’t up in the pci with a power hitter, it’s going to be a fly out every time. If the timing was good, then I would have some questions.
So, how am I supposed to go the other way? becuase late side of good is a Flyout and just late weak contact… very early or very late bloop hits?
are you trying to go opposite way on an inside pitch? hard to get great contact doing that, are you early on outside pitches? you are not providing enough info to know what is going on with you, I know I have no problem driving the ball oppo on pitches that are outside, is the pitch a fastball or breaking ball, is your hitter a pull hitter tendency, tendencies matter, where is your pci, is the ball high in your PCI, middle in the PCI, low in the PCI? Hitting the ball on the sweet spot, middle middle is typically more important than timing for a hard hit ball, if your are going for power and try to hit it off the top of the barrel, your results if you miss are gonna usually be long fly outs.
No, I wasn’t trying to go oppo, I have to be honest. I was just late. What bugged me is that my opponent had some very late and very early hits while my just late or late side of good went nowhere.
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@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@mandrykm_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
I went to extras to beat this type of hitter:
Because when I had good input this happened:
Stop rewarding bad input!!!
I'm curious what your timing was on some of those 14's? I know I'll have 14-15's placement, but I'll be early or late. Which usually results in a fly out or grounder. Which I can't really complain when it happens to me.
I believe every 14 was just late.
If the ball wasn’t up in the pci with a power hitter, it’s going to be a fly out every time. If the timing was good, then I would have some questions.
So, how am I supposed to go the other way? becuase late side of good is a Flyout and just late weak contact… very early or very late bloop hits?
Welcome to the show. SDS has never been able to figure out just late timing can result in good hits too.
Wasn't there a year that the meta was "be late, be great"?
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@ecureuil2011_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@mandrykm_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
I went to extras to beat this type of hitter:
Because when I had good input this happened:
Stop rewarding bad input!!!
I'm curious what your timing was on some of those 14's? I know I'll have 14-15's placement, but I'll be early or late. Which usually results in a fly out or grounder. Which I can't really complain when it happens to me.
I believe every 14 was just late.
If the ball wasn’t up in the pci with a power hitter, it’s going to be a fly out every time. If the timing was good, then I would have some questions.
So, how am I supposed to go the other way? becuase late side of good is a Flyout and just late weak contact… very early or very late bloop hits?
Welcome to the show. SDS has never been able to figure out just late timing can result in good hits too.
Wasn't there a year that the meta was "be late, be great"?
I believe it was 17 but I didn’t play DD until 2020. All I used to was RTTS from 2016-2019, very noobie style.
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@ecureuil2011_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@matt_42187_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@mandrykm_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
I went to extras to beat this type of hitter:
Because when I had good input this happened:
Stop rewarding bad input!!!
I'm curious what your timing was on some of those 14's? I know I'll have 14-15's placement, but I'll be early or late. Which usually results in a fly out or grounder. Which I can't really complain when it happens to me.
I believe every 14 was just late.
If the ball wasn’t up in the pci with a power hitter, it’s going to be a fly out every time. If the timing was good, then I would have some questions.
So, how am I supposed to go the other way? becuase late side of good is a Flyout and just late weak contact… very early or very late bloop hits?
Welcome to the show. SDS has never been able to figure out just late timing can result in good hits too.
Wasn't there a year that the meta was "be late, be great"?
There was a year that was the major complaint, people just want to find a reason their opponent shouldn't have won and how everything they do is perfect, we all get crappy hits and give up crappy hits, over the long haul better players will win more often than not
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@magic1313_xbl said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Baseball is a sport where the results don't always match the process, hard hit balls are sometimes outs, weak hit balls are sometimes hits, I know I see some pitches where I know I don't need perfect contact to loop it over the infielders head, just good enough contact, we don't get enough info regarding our opponents inputs to actually know what went on, with that being said, good process will win more often than not over the long haul, small sample size is not super useful in baseball. And as a pitcher you are trying to make them swing and miss or create poor contact, so looks like you were pitching effectively, some balls just happened to find some holes that game.
Well said.
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@ibonafidescrub_ said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
I went to extras to beat this type of hitter:
Because when I had good input this happened:
Stop rewarding bad input!!!
I started looking at batter analysis line drives and hard hit balls…..combine that with opponent Ks and it paints a picture of how crazy the game can be.
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@magic1313_xbl said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Baseball is a sport where the results don't always match the process, hard hit balls are sometimes outs, weak hit balls are sometimes hits, I know I see some pitches where I know I don't need perfect contact to loop it over the infielders head, just good enough contact, we don't get enough info regarding our opponents inputs to actually know what went on, with that being said, good process will win more often than not over the long haul, small sample size is not super useful in baseball. And as a pitcher you are trying to make them swing and miss or create poor contact, so looks like you were pitching effectively, some balls just happened to find some holes that game.
Dude, you seem to have mistaken this game for baseball. In real baseball, you know when you've hit the ball well, and you can get a hit, or make an out. But when your out, you can attribute it to the defense, pitching or just bad luck. In this game, your at the mercy of algorithms. In real baseball, the cpu isn't calculating an outcome, in this video game it is. You may be playing an online opponent, but your also playing the cpu.
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@scottd_3ds_psn said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
@magic1313_xbl said in StOp CoMplAiNinG, THatS jUst BaseBaLl:
Baseball is a sport where the results don't always match the process, hard hit balls are sometimes outs, weak hit balls are sometimes hits, I know I see some pitches where I know I don't need perfect contact to loop it over the infielders head, just good enough contact, we don't get enough info regarding our opponents inputs to actually know what went on, with that being said, good process will win more often than not over the long haul, small sample size is not super useful in baseball. And as a pitcher you are trying to make them swing and miss or create poor contact, so looks like you were pitching effectively, some balls just happened to find some holes that game.
Dude, you seem to have mistaken this game for baseball. In real baseball, you know when you've hit the ball well, and you can get a hit, or make an out. But when your out, you can attribute it to the defense, pitching or just bad luck. In this game, your at the mercy of algorithms. In real baseball, the cpu isn't calculating an outcome, in this video game it is. You may be playing an online opponent, but your also playing the cpu.
I know when I have hit the ball well in this game, I have not once had a situation where I have hit the ball well and the result hasn't been a hard hit ball. Maybe I am lucky but I also have not seen many people complain about squaring up the ball and it not being a hard hit ball, just complaining it was not a hit or a hr. Of course when you introduce AI and computerize the sport there are things that happen behind the scenes that are out of our control to a point, but, offline at least, this game replicates the real life sport better than any other sports game out there. I may have mistaken this game for baseball because it is a baseball game. And when I make an out I can easily understand if it was an out because of the defense, pitching or just bad luck. I hit hard line drives right at defenders all the time, it is frustrating but the result makes sense, I squared the balls up and therefore did not get lift.
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Edit: If you are using any input other than Zone and Pinpoint then you are accepting that your outcomes will be influenced more by the algorithms and player ratings
