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@halfbutt_psn said in You R2 holders:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in You R2 holders:
@grizzbear55_psn said in You R2 holders:
@buddyhightower_xbl said in You R2 holders:
@sean_87__psn said in You R2 holders:
@kovz88_psn said in You R2 holders:
5 second timer between pitches seems a bit excessive. Also not everyone wants to sit there and take over an hour for a game so try to understand why people try not to take long between pitches? You can't ask people to try and understand your side without extending the same courtesy
Then live with R2 holding. I’m not going to let someone throw 10 pitches in 3 seconds like it’s a machine gun. If you don’t want a timer, R2 is the best way to make both sides happy.
How does holding down R2 / RT (on xbox) keep them from fast pitching? I don't get it....
They can't go into windup as fast. Quick pitching is the problem not R2 majority of players that R2 Is b/c quick pitching is the cheating method R2 is the preventer. People are trying to flip it around and blame R2. It's simple if they don't quick pitch i don't hold R2.
The counter to R2 is stepping off the mound every time
The problem is, depending on the timing, sometimes you cannot step off. Players that use R2 as an exploit know this and do it to mess up their opponent’s timing so they get meatballs.
Yeah, I had this problem last night, I did not have that issue over the weekend. I played two people last night back to back just holding and pressing R2 every pitch. I was not even QP. I do take a few second to get my location set.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in You R2 holders:
@spc_garza_psn said in You R2 holders:
Holding R2 and pressing R2 at the right time especially vs pinpoint pitching to screw up the pitcher is two separate things.
There needs to be just one click of R2 per at bat. My two cents Problem solved.
No problem not solved sorry. You left out the part where pitcher only gets 1 quick pitch per at bat as well. Now problem solved
What do you consider a QP?
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@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@hustlinowl_psn said in You R2 holders:
keep quick pitching expect to see R2 as a counter
r2 isn't a counter. It's a cheat. I'll agree that the balk move needs to be eliminated from the game but r2 isn't the answer. It messes the input on the other side....
How is it a cheat? They have a giant stop sign logo that pops up when someone does it now.
People do it to throw off the timing of the pinpoint control making the pitches less accurate. It's definately a cheat. Get better at the game. Lay off pitches and crush mistakes like the normal decent players.
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I'm not completely certain everyone is talking about exactly the same thing when 'quick pitching' is referenced, but whether it's a snap throw to the plate (impossible in the game but probably what's meant in real life) or a relatively speedy turnaround between pitches (due to no balks) at least both of those things are grounded in some kind of reality. In other words, baseball could decide to do away with balks and you could have real life pitches without pitchers coming fully set. My problem with R2 is that it's so artificial. The batter freezing the pitcher? I'm ok with it against the CPU if the pause button is too far away, but human vs human competition, it's too weird of a factor. The pause button is bad enough but at least that's both people temporarily immobilized even if one person started it. R2 is just so blatantly one-sided. As a pitcher in online matches, I don't love it much when the batter steps off or shows bunt a lot or whatever, but I deal with it. The batter should also have to deal with it (step off etc) if the pitcher is quick. Both sides equal. R2 is just too skewed to one side for me to ever get behind it, even if I completely get the stuff R2 supporters are talking about. Because you know something? I do get it! Do you think I've never faced someone online who didn't come set and fired some pitches in with runners on base? Of course I have. It sucks. But purposefully holding down R2 over and over still seems super weird. The only baseball solution would be to turn balks back on, if we're keeping things somewhat in the realm of this being a baseball simulation.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@hustlinowl_psn said in You R2 holders:
keep quick pitching expect to see R2 as a counter
r2 isn't a counter. It's a cheat. I'll agree that the balk move needs to be eliminated from the game but r2 isn't the answer. It messes the input on the other side....
How is it a cheat? They have a giant stop sign logo that pops up when someone does it now.
People do it to throw off the timing of the pinpoint control making the pitches less accurate. It's definately a cheat. Get better at the game. Lay off pitches and crush mistakes like the normal decent players.
So when you are driving and there's a massive stop sign in front of your face what do you do?
It's not cheating to check the previous AB pitch sequence or current sequence in a long AB, when a giant stop sign is displayed telling you a player is accessing it.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@hustlinowl_psn said in You R2 holders:
keep quick pitching expect to see R2 as a counter
r2 isn't a counter. It's a cheat. I'll agree that the balk move needs to be eliminated from the game but r2 isn't the answer. It messes the input on the other side....
How is it a cheat? They have a giant stop sign logo that pops up when someone does it now.
People do it to throw off the timing of the pinpoint control making the pitches less accurate. It's definately a cheat. Get better at the game. Lay off pitches and crush mistakes like the normal decent players.
So when you are driving and there's a massive stop sign in front of your face what do you do?
It's not cheating to check the previous AB pitch sequence or current sequence in a long AB, when a giant stop sign is displayed telling you a player is accessing it.
no it is cheating when people use in the middle of someone trying to do their pitch sequence and it stops in the middle causing lag and pinpoint control to mess up so yes it's cheating. I'm guessing you don't use pinpoint to even know how it messes you up.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@hustlinowl_psn said in You R2 holders:
keep quick pitching expect to see R2 as a counter
r2 isn't a counter. It's a cheat. I'll agree that the balk move needs to be eliminated from the game but r2 isn't the answer. It messes the input on the other side....
How is it a cheat? They have a giant stop sign logo that pops up when someone does it now.
People do it to throw off the timing of the pinpoint control making the pitches less accurate. It's definately a cheat. Get better at the game. Lay off pitches and crush mistakes like the normal decent players.
So when you are driving and there's a massive stop sign in front of your face what do you do?
It's not cheating to check the previous AB pitch sequence or current sequence in a long AB, when a giant stop sign is displayed telling you a player is accessing it.
thats not what people are talking about though. they way youre expolining it is fine. using it to check pitches and stuff like that. The problem is the people that do it for the max amount of time on every pitch
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@sean_87__psn said in You R2 holders:
@kovz88_psn said in You R2 holders:
5 second timer between pitches seems a bit excessive. Also not everyone wants to sit there and take over an hour for a game so try to understand why people try not to take long between pitches? You can't ask people to try and understand your side without extending the same courtesy
Then live with R2 holding. I’m not going to let someone throw 10 pitches in 3 seconds like it’s a machine gun. If you don’t want a timer, R2 is the best way to make both sides happy.
You know if you put the ball in play or even get a hit, the time in between pitches will be extended. Just a thought.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@hustlinowl_psn said in You R2 holders:
keep quick pitching expect to see R2 as a counter
r2 isn't a counter. It's a cheat. I'll agree that the balk move needs to be eliminated from the game but r2 isn't the answer. It messes the input on the other side....
How is it a cheat? They have a giant stop sign logo that pops up when someone does it now.
People do it to throw off the timing of the pinpoint control making the pitches less accurate. It's definately a cheat. Get better at the game. Lay off pitches and crush mistakes like the normal decent players.
So when you are driving and there's a massive stop sign in front of your face what do you do?
It's not cheating to check the previous AB pitch sequence or current sequence in a long AB, when a giant stop sign is displayed telling you a player is accessing it.
no it is cheating when people use in the middle of someone trying to do their pitch sequence and it stops in the middle causing lag and pinpoint control to mess up so yes it's cheating. I'm guessing you don't use pinpoint to even know how it messes you up.
Not sure if this is accurate... Once you start your motion with pinpoint the hitter isn't supposed to be able to hit R2... If that's not the case they need to fix it...
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Somebody got me with it last night on a 3-2 pitch and I wasn't expecting it and it threw of my timing and I threw it in the dirt for a walk. Was in the 9th inning and I was up 8 - 3 at the time. He planned it just right and it truly screwed up that pitch. After he did it, i pushed pause and let it sit for a minute to kind of say "hey, i know what you just did, and you did it on purpose". I paid close attention the rest of the game and got the win.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@hustlinowl_psn said in You R2 holders:
keep quick pitching expect to see R2 as a counter
r2 isn't a counter. It's a cheat. I'll agree that the balk move needs to be eliminated from the game but r2 isn't the answer. It messes the input on the other side....
How is it a cheat? They have a giant stop sign logo that pops up when someone does it now.
People do it to throw off the timing of the pinpoint control making the pitches less accurate. It's definately a cheat. Get better at the game. Lay off pitches and crush mistakes like the normal decent players.
So when you are driving and there's a massive stop sign in front of your face what do you do?
It's not cheating to check the previous AB pitch sequence or current sequence in a long AB, when a giant stop sign is displayed telling you a player is accessing it.
no it is cheating when people use in the middle of someone trying to do their pitch sequence and it stops in the middle causing lag and pinpoint control to mess up so yes it's cheating. I'm guessing you don't use pinpoint to even know how it messes you up.
Not sure if this is accurate... Once you start your motion with pinpoint the hitter isn't supposed to be able to hit R2... If that's not the case they need to fix it...
it lags the motion out when you are trying to follow the pinpoint meter. It's all about timing on when they press r2.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@hustlinowl_psn said in You R2 holders:
keep quick pitching expect to see R2 as a counter
r2 isn't a counter. It's a cheat. I'll agree that the balk move needs to be eliminated from the game but r2 isn't the answer. It messes the input on the other side....
How is it a cheat? They have a giant stop sign logo that pops up when someone does it now.
People do it to throw off the timing of the pinpoint control making the pitches less accurate. It's definately a cheat. Get better at the game. Lay off pitches and crush mistakes like the normal decent players.
So when you are driving and there's a massive stop sign in front of your face what do you do?
It's not cheating to check the previous AB pitch sequence or current sequence in a long AB, when a giant stop sign is displayed telling you a player is accessing it.
no it is cheating when people use in the middle of someone trying to do their pitch sequence and it stops in the middle causing lag and pinpoint control to mess up so yes it's cheating. I'm guessing you don't use pinpoint to even know how it messes you up.
Not sure if this is accurate... Once you start your motion with pinpoint the hitter isn't supposed to be able to hit R2... If that's not the case they need to fix it...
it lags the motion out when you are trying to follow the pinpoint meter. It's all about timing on when they press r2.
Right, if they press it right before you start and then let go while you are still moving the stick, it changes your starting place.
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@buddyhightower_xbl said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@bwheel1977_psn said in You R2 holders:
@hustlinowl_psn said in You R2 holders:
keep quick pitching expect to see R2 as a counter
r2 isn't a counter. It's a cheat. I'll agree that the balk move needs to be eliminated from the game but r2 isn't the answer. It messes the input on the other side....
How is it a cheat? They have a giant stop sign logo that pops up when someone does it now.
People do it to throw off the timing of the pinpoint control making the pitches less accurate. It's definately a cheat. Get better at the game. Lay off pitches and crush mistakes like the normal decent players.
So when you are driving and there's a massive stop sign in front of your face what do you do?
It's not cheating to check the previous AB pitch sequence or current sequence in a long AB, when a giant stop sign is displayed telling you a player is accessing it.
no it is cheating when people use in the middle of someone trying to do their pitch sequence and it stops in the middle causing lag and pinpoint control to mess up so yes it's cheating. I'm guessing you don't use pinpoint to even know how it messes you up.
Not sure if this is accurate... Once you start your motion with pinpoint the hitter isn't supposed to be able to hit R2... If that's not the case they need to fix it...
it lags the motion out when you are trying to follow the pinpoint meter. It's all about timing on when they press r2.
Right, if they press it right before you start and then let go while you are still moving the stick, it changes your starting place.
It affect PA pitching the same way.It's used as a way to make a pitch less accurate. You can't really quick pitch using pinpoint in my opinion so the qp argument is a meh one at best. I think they should just take it out of the game and put a graphic at the bottom showing pitch sequence so r2 isn't even a thing.
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Last night had a guy holding R2 strategically late (well played), bunt dancing and bunting all game, stealing every chance he could get. I retaliated with R2 for an inning so so which slowed down the shenanigans but he eventually ramped it back up. Ended up winning 1-0 off a single from my pitcher in the 6th. Awful game, very satisfying victory.
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They need to do it like real life , you can step out the box for a few seconds take a breath , but once the animation of your guy is in the box the pitcher should be able to throw. Also looking at the pitch sequence should not cause the pitcher not being able to throw. Not all but a ton of players do this so you can't start your wind up and online with some sort of lag already no matter how small if your playing on analog this can throw off your release point timing which causes balls or worse center cut pitches which is what they want. Like I said if they want to make a animation after the pitch of the guy taking a breath while you overlook the sequence for a second fine before stepping back in the box I'm all for that but once in the box I should be able to pitch.
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@halfbutt_psn said in You R2 holders:
Countering quick pitching is one thing. Intentionally holding R2 for as long as possible, even after the pitcher steps off once, is an exploit to mess with your opponent’s pitching. It’s a pretty cheap tactic which unfortunately has no counter
Mercy rule them
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@notoriousheb_psn said in You R2 holders:
@halfbutt_psn said in You R2 holders:
You guys that are holding R2 the entire time your opponent is trying to pitch are really a special kind of bad person.
Maybe learn how to win a game without cheating? You might find it actually feels good.
They put an indicator in the game this year during the person is accessing either R2, R3, etc... So there's a stop sign showing you you can't pitch. It's not cheese anymore.
If I tell the cops I’m gonna rob a bank, that makes it legal.
