Starters as relievers
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@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@halfbutt said in Starters as relievers:
The only people that defend exploits are the people that benefit from them.
Calling someone “Scooter” and generally addressing them like they are an imbecile does not establish you as a baseball god.
Get over yourself, man.
This isn’t an exploit tho...
Is Kluber used this way irl? No way. But I have no doubt if he can throw 110 pitches in a game, he can throw 20 5 days in a row. That’s the argument I don’t understand. They don’t get a chance to do this irl because teams don’t actually have 5 “aces” to throw where they can utalize one in the pen without hurting their starting staff. I’d bet you money if a team had 5 aces and more on the bench, one would be throwing out of the pen. So comparing this to irl is not a good decision anyways.
Back to the game - it is realistic. Their arm isn’t becoming more tired because they’re coming in in relief. Relievers tend to lose stamina quicker because the majority of them throw harder than they would over 9 innings, and they are trained to throw shorter periods of time. Kluber’s velo doesn’t all of a sudden rise as the closer, so his energy shouldn’t be compared to that of a reliever at all. He’s going to have more stamina than them soley because he’s not throwing as hard and his arm is used to throwing longer periods of time. That would be the equivalent of a bullpen to him.
Next - if we want to talk making it “irl,” if a team had the options we have at SP, and the options we have at RP, you don’t think they’d sign more starters and just use them as long relievers and closers? We can’t do that in the game cause we can only have 5 equipped at a time, but that’s what would happen if they had the same staff we have access to. So you can’t say “it doesn’t happen irl” because many things differ here than irl
I think he just ended this entire discussion.
I certainly hope so. I believe you've already made yourself look like enough of a tool.
He’s the only one who’s made a valid point in here lol. Everything else is just saying “they can’t do it irl so they can’t do it here” or “it’s bad.”
I believe some decent points have been made for either side. I just don't understand why he had to be such a [censored].
He insulted me first. So when it’s go-time, I GO! It’s part of my charm. Lol. If you could see how much I’m laughing at all this you wouldn’t be so offended.
Try to take a step back and imagine I’m saying all this with a chuckle and a smile. You might actually find it funny.
Fair enough, wasn't offended. I was just calling out hypocrisy and got in too deep. My mistake.
Though I don't really know who Hungry Hole is, and Jack in the f-hole is a new one. He kinda came outta nowhere. You guys lovers? If so, that might answer a question or two about his username.
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@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
Sequin skirts make my hips look great and they shine enough to take the attention off my mule face.
A nice poly blend would be more comfortable and breathable.
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@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@halfbutt said in Starters as relievers:
The only people that defend exploits are the people that benefit from them.
Calling someone “Scooter” and generally addressing them like they are an imbecile does not establish you as a baseball god.
Get over yourself, man.
This isn’t an exploit tho...
Is Kluber used this way irl? No way. But I have no doubt if he can throw 110 pitches in a game, he can throw 20 5 days in a row. That’s the argument I don’t understand. They don’t get a chance to do this irl because teams don’t actually have 5 “aces” to throw where they can utalize one in the pen without hurting their starting staff. I’d bet you money if a team had 5 aces and more on the bench, one would be throwing out of the pen. So comparing this to irl is not a good decision anyways.
Back to the game - it is realistic. Their arm isn’t becoming more tired because they’re coming in in relief. Relievers tend to lose stamina quicker because the majority of them throw harder than they would over 9 innings, and they are trained to throw shorter periods of time. Kluber’s velo doesn’t all of a sudden rise as the closer, so his energy shouldn’t be compared to that of a reliever at all. He’s going to have more stamina than them soley because he’s not throwing as hard and his arm is used to throwing longer periods of time. That would be the equivalent of a bullpen to him.
Next - if we want to talk making it “irl,” if a team had the options we have at SP, and the options we have at RP, you don’t think they’d sign more starters and just use them as long relievers and closers? We can’t do that in the game cause we can only have 5 equipped at a time, but that’s what would happen if they had the same staff we have access to. So you can’t say “it doesn’t happen irl” because many things differ here than irl
I think he just ended this entire discussion.
I certainly hope so. I believe you've already made yourself look like enough of a tool.
He’s the only one who’s made a valid point in here lol. Everything else is just saying “they can’t do it irl so they can’t do it here” or “it’s bad.”
I believe some decent points have been made for either side. I just don't understand why he had to be such a [censored].
He insulted me first. So when it’s go-time, I GO! It’s part of my charm. Lol. If you could see how much I’m laughing at all this you wouldn’t be so offended.
Try to take a step back and imagine I’m saying all this with a chuckle and a smile. You might actually find it funny.
Fair enough, wasn't offended. I was just calling out hypocrisy and got in too deep. My mistake.
Though I don't really know who Hungry Hole is, and Jack in the f-hole is a new one. He kinda came outta nowhere. You guys lovers? If so, that might answer a question or two about his username.
Not gonna lie that was funny as f**k
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Just like everything else, if it happens once or twice in real baseball, it’s gonna happen in MLB the show all of the time.
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People saying this is a part of Baseball smh. Only times another starter is used is: 1. They used a opener. 2. The starter got hurt or getting blasted early in game. Even then it's still very rare.
It's mostly used in the playoffs not every game.
Starters out the pen should lose 2x energy a reliever would and take longer to recover. Or you shouldn't be able to use a starter out the pen till all of your relievers are used. -
I woke up early this morning and since it's memorial day coming up, I wanted to get a good cheese and wine platter delivered.
I started googling and this thread popped up. Had to stop by and see what the big deal is.
Pro Tip- git gud. Who cares about who your opponent brings in. The object is to win the game. If you aren't concerned about winning, then there's nothing to see here as this topic doesn't apply to you.
Now apple and Gouda go well with a Willamette Valley Pinot Noir. Back to work.
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@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
I can do this AAAAALLLLLLLL DDDDDAAAAYYYYY!
So all of you Tackleberry apologists can keep bringing it. I got enough for all y’all.
Lol is this guy still talking? Jeez, he just can’t let it die can he? Time to grow up dude and just leave things be. Nobody cares anymore what you or me have to say about this topic. Although I do like your Police Academy reference, I’m far from the man that Tackleberry was. He was a true marksman with the .44 Magnum. I just carry a glock
You talk about being able to give opinions...but the second somebody disagrees with yours, you become the keyboard warrior. Well yes I gave my opinion on your post and said I thought it was dumb. But I was talking about YOUR OPINION! I never once insulted you as a person or the integrity of your character. I disagreed with your opinion and said it was dumb. Yet you then immediately started to insult me as a person, my job, and my character. We all know that little kids these days can’t stand when somebody disagrees with them and then feel the need to lash out, but it’s ok if somebody disagrees with you dude. You don’t have to immediately start to call them names or insult their job, or their way of life.
Why don’t you just grow up and be a man and try to have a civilized conversation instead of being so quick to hate on somebody?
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
I can do this AAAAALLLLLLLL DDDDDAAAAYYYYY!
So all of you Tackleberry apologists can keep bringing it. I got enough for all y’all.
Lol is this guy still talking? Jeez, he just can’t let it die can he? Time to grow up dude and just leave things be. Nobody cares anymore what you or me have to say about this topic. Although I do like your Police Academy reference, I’m far from the man that Tackleberry was. He was a true marksman with the .44 Magnum. I just carry a glock
You talk about being able to give opinions...but the second somebody disagrees with yours, you become the keyboard warrior. Well yes I gave my opinion on your post and said I thought it was dumb. But I was talking about YOUR OPINION! I never once insulted you as a person or the integrity of your character. I disagreed with your opinion and said it was dumb. Yet you then immediately started to insult me as a person, my job, and my character. We all know that little kids these days can’t stand when somebody disagrees with them and then feel the need to lash out, but it’s ok if somebody disagrees with you dude. You don’t have to immediately start to call them names or insult their job, or their way of life.
Why don’t you just grow up and be a man and try to have a civilized conversation instead of being so quick to hate on somebody?
That being said, I wish a mod would just delete this thread now because I feel that it has completely turned into one of insults and epeen measurements and has lost its purpose. Sorry for the double post, was meant to be an edit
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
I can do this AAAAALLLLLLLL DDDDDAAAAYYYYY!
So all of you Tackleberry apologists can keep bringing it. I got enough for all y’all.
Lol is this guy still talking? Jeez, he just can’t let it die can he? Time to grow up dude and just leave things be. Nobody cares anymore what you or me have to say about this topic. Although I do like your Police Academy reference, I’m far from the man that Tackleberry was. He was a true marksman with the .44 Magnum. I just carry a glock
You talk about being able to give opinions...well yes I gave my opinion on your post and said I thought it was dumb. YOUR OPINION! I never once insulted you as a person or the integrity of your character. I disagreed with your opinion and said it was dumb. Yet you then immediately started to insult me as a person, my job, and my character. We all know that little kids these days can’t stand when somebody disagrees with them and then feel the need to lash out, but it’s ok if somebody disagrees with you dude. You don’t have to immediately start to call them names or insult their job, or their way of life.
Why don’t you just grow up and be a man and try to have a civilized conversation instead of being so quick to hate on somebody?
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
I can do this AAAAALLLLLLLL DDDDDAAAAYYYYY!
So all of you Tackleberry apologists can keep bringing it. I got enough for all y’all.
Lol is this guy still talking? Jeez, he just can’t let it die can he? Time to grow up dude and just leave things be. Nobody cares anymore what you or me have to say about this topic. Although I do like your Police Academy reference, I’m far from the man that Tackleberry was. He was a true marksman with the .44 Magnum. I just carry a glock
You talk about being able to give opinions...well yes I gave my opinion on your post and said I thought it was dumb. YOUR OPINION! I never once insulted you as a person or the integrity of your character. I disagreed with your opinion and said it was dumb. Yet you then immediately started to insult me as a person, my job, and my character. We all know that little kids these days can’t stand when somebody disagrees with them and then feel the need to lash out, but it’s ok if somebody disagrees with you dude. You don’t have to immediately start to call them names or insult their job, or their way of life.
Why don’t you just grow up and be a man and try to have a civilized conversation instead of being so quick to hate on somebody?
You belittled me. You know you did. And now you’re trying to pretend to be enlightened. You started it, and I finished it. That’s what dads do to their sons. They teach them lessons.
So next time you make a post giving your opinion, and someone comments and gives an opposing one, just say, “Thanks for contributing to the conversation.”
But if you talk out the side of your mouth to people, they might just do it back to you. When that happens, either apologize or bow out gracefully. Don’t try to manipulate everybody into believing you’re all innocent and mature in all this.
You’re the guilty one here.
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Why don’t answer Will’s post, Office Glock? He gave some pretty compelling arguments as to why the system is not an exploit, and why it works the way it is.
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A lot of you say you aren’t against SPs out the pen on principle, because it does happen occasionally “irl.” But that there should be a “penalty” or “consequence” to using a starter out of the pen, why? You all say, the starters should lose twice the energy if they come out the pen? That doesn’t make any sense.
What about the reverse: if I use my closer as an opener, should he lose stamina twice as slow?
The players have stamina and durability attributes for a reason. They shouldn’t be magically altered because you don’t like your opponent’s strategy.
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A lot of you say you aren’t against SPs out the pen on principle, because it does happen occasionally “irl.” But that there should be a “penalty” or “consequence” to using a starter out of the pen, why? You all say, the starters should lose twice the energy if they come out the pen? That doesn’t make any sense.
What about the reverse: if I use my closer as an opener, should he lose stamina twice as slow?
The players have stamina and durability attributes for a reason. They shouldn’t be magically altered because you don’t like your opponent’s strategy.
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A lot of you say you aren’t against SPs out the pen on principle, because it does happen occasionally “irl.” But that there should be a “penalty” or “consequence” to using a starter out of the pen, why? You all say, the starters should lose twice the energy if they come out the pen? That doesn’t make any sense.
What about the reverse: if I use my closer as an opener, should he lose stamina twice as slow?
The players have stamina and durability attributes for a reason. They shouldn’t be magically altered because you don’t like your opponent’s strategy.
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I never belittled you personally at all until you started to personally attack me. Now all you can do is make fun of the fact that I am a police officer and try to help people on a daily basis. I disagreed with opinion and you got butthurt and then went off the deep end with insults about my integrity and character. Dude you need to relax and just learn to let things go. You’re really looking like a little cry baby right now. I have asked politely for this thread to end and you just can’t let it die. I wish you all the best and strongly suggest maybe some Zoloft to calm down. Feel free to keep insulting me on here tho keyboard warrior People can clearly see the type of person that you are and all you’re doing is validating my points about you each time you open your mouth
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
I never belittled you personally at all until you started to personally attack me. Now all you can do is make fun of the fact that I am a police officer and try to help people on a daily basis. I disagreed with opinion and you got butthurt and then went off the deep end with insults about my integrity and character. Dude you need to relax and just learn to let things go. You’re really looking like a little cry baby right now. I have asked politely for this thread to end and you just can’t let it die. I wish you all the best and strongly suggest maybe some Zoloft to calm down. Feel free to keep insulting me on here tho keyboard warrior People can clearly see the type of person that you are and all you’re doing is validating my points about you each time you open your mouth
Let’s be real here. You belittled me. You said you didn’t do it personally, but there is no such thing as an impersonal belittling.
You keep saying I’m being tough behind a keyboard. But who tried to flex and prove how tough they were by bringing up their profession? Who started talking about the “real world” chewing someone up or something along those lines? Who started talking about carrying a Glock?
You were the instigator of all this, and you have been doing exactly what you accuse me of doing—you’re trying to be tough behind your keyboard.
Now, I salute your choice of profession. Truly. You serve your community daily. That’s admirable. I won’t share what I do for a living because it’s no one’s business. But let’s just say you aren’t the only public servant on this thread.
But just because you’re a public servant doesn’t automatically grant you altruistic vision like you’re trying to portray here. People admire police officers, so some people are rallying to your defense. But you aren’t infallible because of it.
Now, as soon as you stop with your fake psychoanalysis, and stop trying to take your fake little high road (which you aren’t really on. You are just saying that you’re on the high road), and admit to your role in this whole thing, then I’ll stop.
Until then, I’m on your helmet, Tackleberry.
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@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
I never belittled you personally at all until you started to personally attack me. Now all you can do is make fun of the fact that I am a police officer and try to help people on a daily basis. I disagreed with opinion and you got butthurt and then went off the deep end with insults about my integrity and character. Dude you need to relax and just learn to let things go. You’re really looking like a little cry baby right now. I have asked politely for this thread to end and you just can’t let it die. I wish you all the best and strongly suggest maybe some Zoloft to calm down. Feel free to keep insulting me on here tho keyboard warrior People can clearly see the type of person that you are and all you’re doing is validating my points about you each time you open your mouth
Let’s be real here. You belittled me. You said you didn’t do it personally, but there is no such thing as an impersonal belittling.
You keep saying I’m being tough behind a keyboard. But who tried to flex and prove how tough they were by bringing up their profession? Who started talking about the “real world” chewing someone up or something along those lines? Who started talking about carrying a Glock?
You were the instigator of all this, and you have been doing exactly what you accuse me of doing—you’re trying to be tough behind your keyboard.
Now, I salute your choice of profession. Truly. You serve your community daily. That’s admirable. I won’t share what I do for a living because it’s no one’s business. But let’s just say you aren’t the only public servant on this thread.
But just because your a public servant doesn’t automatically grant you altruistic vision like you’re trying to portray here. People admire police officers, so some people are rallying to your defense. But you aren’t infallible because of it.
Now, as soon as you stop with your fake psychoanalysis, and stop trying to take your fake little high road (which you aren’t really on. You are just saying that you’re on the high road), and admit to your role in this whole thing, then I’ll stop.
Until then, I’m on your helmet, Tackleberry.
"Until then, I’m on your helmet, Tackleberry"
Lol without proper context this could change the entire direction of this thread
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I only brought up a Glock because you keep calling me Tackleberry, who uses a .44 Magnum. The only reason I brought up my profession was after you started calling me soft. I have only brought things up after your baseless insults to me about my character, integrity, and profession. Why don’t you go back and read the thread. You’ll notice every single time that I only counter your insults. The simple fact that you can’t grasp the concept that I never belittled you at all is dumbfounding. Maybe you’re a little too sensitive? I didn’t realize that disagreeing with somebody meant you belittled them. Explain how I belittled you and help me try to understand your way of thinking, because nowhere in the beginning of this thread did I ever come at you personally
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
I never belittled you personally at all until you started to personally attack me. Now all you can do is make fun of the fact that I am a police officer and try to help people on a daily basis. I disagreed with opinion and you got butthurt and then went off the deep end with insults about my integrity and character. Dude you need to relax and just learn to let things go. You’re really looking like a little cry baby right now. I have asked politely for this thread to end and you just can’t let it die. I wish you all the best and strongly suggest maybe some Zoloft to calm down. Feel free to keep insulting me on here tho keyboard warrior People can clearly see the type of person that you are and all you’re doing is validating my points about you each time you open your mouth
Let’s be real here. You belittled me. You said you didn’t do it personally, but there is no such thing as an impersonal belittling.
You keep saying I’m being tough behind a keyboard. But who tried to flex and prove how tough they were by bringing up their profession? Who started talking about the “real world” chewing someone up or something along those lines? Who started talking about carrying a Glock?
You were the instigator of all this, and you have been doing exactly what you accuse me of doing—you’re trying to be tough behind your keyboard.
Now, I salute your choice of profession. Truly. You serve your community daily. That’s admirable. I won’t share what I do for a living because it’s no one’s business. But let’s just say you aren’t the only public servant on this thread.
But just because your a public servant doesn’t automatically grant you altruistic vision like you’re trying to portray here. People admire police officers, so some people are rallying to your defense. But you aren’t infallible because of it.
Now, as soon as you stop with your fake psychoanalysis, and stop trying to take your fake little high road (which you aren’t really on. You are just saying that you’re on the high road), and admit to your role in this whole thing, then I’ll stop.
Until then, I’m on your helmet, Tackleberry.
"Until then, I’m on your helmet, Tackleberry"
Lol without proper context this could change the entire direction of this thread
Now THAT is funny
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@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
Show me the MLB rule that prevents a manager from using the ball players on his team in any way he sees fit?
[censored] crybaby. Can’t hit so you wanna make SDS create some rules to make it easier for you....
Ill reference this post from the very first page that you said to me...unprovoked cursing and name calling and insults right from the start with your very first response on this entire thread. Sounds like you’re the bad guy here buddy...sorry to burst your bubble
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
There is nothing wrong with starters out of the pen.
This is Ranked Seasons. People are trying to win stubs, XP, and card rewards. They should have their entire 25-man roster available to them in anyway they see fit.
There are no rules in MLB that prevent a manager from using a player however they want. Position player as pitcher? Why not? A pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner? Go for it. Whatever you think will help you win the game. SDS did the correct thing by allowing us to do this.
What difference does it make if your opponent uses a SP out of the pen? Your job at the plate is to get hits. Period. Starter, Relief, Closer—it makes no difference. Do your job.
But I will say that if SDS wanted to reduce the usage of SPs out of the pen, they have to release better relievers. I think Rollie is the only reliever over 90. At least he’s all I can think of at the moment.
Lol this is the worst post I’ve read in a long time. Let me know the next time you see a MLB team throw any starter in back to back games just to win
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Taking things out of context is called lying. You ignited this whole thing with this, saying it’s the “worst post you’ve read in a while,” bashing his opinion.” This was BEFORE any “attack” by him
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You haven’t brought up any point about the argument at hand, you’ve let a person using sarcasm who could be 3000 miles away from you get into your head and change your mindset.
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I just woke up and I’m eating a really good Denver Omelet right now.
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