How is Flaherty a Diamond?
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@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
Don't worry, the SDS Cards homers will release a 99 rated Future WS MVP Flaherty card any day now.
Can’t wait for that 95 FS Kolten Wong with like 90s across the board offensively.
Oh come on. Even if Flaherty is slightly overrated, who else have they rated unfairly high for the Cardinals?
Yeah that Ankiel SS was on point.
It was the lowest rated sig series card. All sig series cards were jacked up. And for what it's worth, his rookie year he had a 134 ERA+ and 194 strikeouts in 175 innings.
Great, he should have had a RoY card then, SS is based off multiple years and Ankiel was...not so much.
He came on 2nd in ROY voting to Furcal. It was a multi-year card in the sense that it had good hitting attributes. He was an outfielder in the league for years afterward. He had back-to-back seasons with a 119 and 120 ops+. Hit 25 homeruns in 2008 I think it was.
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@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
Don't worry, the SDS Cards homers will release a 99 rated Future WS MVP Flaherty card any day now.
You mean the 99 rookie Randal Grichuk?
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Ankiel was a once in a lifetime talent. Too bad LaRussa didn’t know how to handle him. Too bad he left him on the mound to die in the playoffs. I live 20 min East of stl and watched it all unfold!
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He doesn't have 3 full years, similar to Pete Alonso. However, if you have two working eyeballs, you'd understand why both got diamond cards.
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@TechnologicPR4 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
Don't worry, the SDS Cards homers will release a 99 rated Future WS MVP Flaherty card any day now.
You mean the 99 rookie Randal Grichuk?
Randal Grichuk plays for the Blue Jays and has for a while. Thank you for your contribution.
Edit: I realize now you meant a flashback. Nevermind.
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@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
Don't worry, the SDS Cards homers will release a 99 rated Future WS MVP Flaherty card any day now.
Can’t wait for that 95 FS Kolten Wong with like 90s across the board offensively.
Oh come on. Even if Flaherty is slightly overrated, who else have they rated unfairly high for the Cardinals?
Yeah that Ankiel SS was on point.
It was the lowest rated sig series card. All sig series cards were jacked up. And for what it's worth, his rookie year he had a 134 ERA+ and 194 strikeouts in 175 innings.
Great, he should have had a RoY card then, SS is based off multiple years and Ankiel was...not so much.
He came on 2nd in ROY voting to Furcal. It was a multi-year card in the sense that it had good hitting attributes. He was an outfielder in the league for years afterward. He had back-to-back seasons with a 119 and 120 ops+. Hit 25 homeruns in 2008 I think it was.
Ok man you're right, a guy with a career WAR of 9.1, 13 career wins, 76 career HRs, a career .240 hitter and ERA of almost 4 with one good season certainly deserved an 88 Sig Series card.
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
He doesn't have 3 full years, similar to Pete Alonso. However, if you have two working eyeballs, you'd understand why both got diamond cards.
It’s just contradicting of SDS. They say they base so much on statistics but ratings are heavily swayed by how they can change the market.
The “use your eyes” didn’t apply to Nolan Arenado having gold fielding last year, or even back in 17 or 18 when he had like 40 reaction.
SDS just does whatever they want with ratings at times to make sure certain collections aren’t tanked. And also to make sure they can drop a better version of the same player later.
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
He doesn't have 3 full years, similar to Pete Alonso. However, if you have two working eyeballs, you'd understand why both got diamond cards.
Pete broke multiple records in his first and only season. Tell me all the records Flaherty broke so far in his 2.5 seasons...I’ll wait. And no one said he played 3 full years just saying you can’t base his rating purely on last year. He doesn’t even have a winning record for his career yet and they handing him a diamond lol. ERA wise yes he was an absolute stud for HALF a season but that doesn’t justify a diamond imo
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@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
Don't worry, the SDS Cards homers will release a 99 rated Future WS MVP Flaherty card any day now.
Can’t wait for that 95 FS Kolten Wong with like 90s across the board offensively.
Oh come on. Even if Flaherty is slightly overrated, who else have they rated unfairly high for the Cardinals?
Yeah that Ankiel SS was on point.
It was the lowest rated sig series card. All sig series cards were jacked up. And for what it's worth, his rookie year he had a 134 ERA+ and 194 strikeouts in 175 innings.
Great, he should have had a RoY card then, SS is based off multiple years and Ankiel was...not so much.
He came on 2nd in ROY voting to Furcal. It was a multi-year card in the sense that it had good hitting attributes. He was an outfielder in the league for years afterward. He had back-to-back seasons with a 119 and 120 ops+. Hit 25 homeruns in 2008 I think it was.
Ok man you're right, a guy with a career WAR of 9.1, 13 career wins, 76 career HRs, a career .240 hitter and ERA of almost 4 with one good season certainly deserved an 88 Sig Series card.
As I said, all Sig Series cards were jacked up and his was the lowest rated one in the game.
It was a cool card. I specifically requested it once on here, but I thought a "what could have been" line of cards would have been cool. If they did that, he would have been rated even higher.
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@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
Don't worry, the SDS Cards homers will release a 99 rated Future WS MVP Flaherty card any day now.
Can’t wait for that 95 FS Kolten Wong with like 90s across the board offensively.
Oh come on. Even if Flaherty is slightly overrated, who else have they rated unfairly high for the Cardinals?
Yeah that Ankiel SS was on point.
It was the lowest rated sig series card. All sig series cards were jacked up. And for what it's worth, his rookie year he had a 134 ERA+ and 194 strikeouts in 175 innings.
Great, he should have had a RoY card then, SS is based off multiple years and Ankiel was...not so much.
He came on 2nd in ROY voting to Furcal. It was a multi-year card in the sense that it had good hitting attributes. He was an outfielder in the league for years afterward. He had back-to-back seasons with a 119 and 120 ops+. Hit 25 homeruns in 2008 I think it was.
Ok man you're right, a guy with a career WAR of 9.1, 13 career wins, 76 career HRs, a career .240 hitter and ERA of almost 4 with one good season certainly deserved an 88 Sig Series card.
As I said, all Sig Series cards were jacked up and his was the lowest rated one in the game.
It was a cool card. I specifically requested it once on here, but I thought a "what could have been" line of cards would have been cool. If they did that, he would have been rated even higher.
This is how we get 95 Madrigal fantasy nonsense cards. Why not make a 99 Roy Hobbs card at this point?
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@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@coastereight said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@abbyspapa said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
Don't worry, the SDS Cards homers will release a 99 rated Future WS MVP Flaherty card any day now.
Can’t wait for that 95 FS Kolten Wong with like 90s across the board offensively.
Oh come on. Even if Flaherty is slightly overrated, who else have they rated unfairly high for the Cardinals?
Yeah that Ankiel SS was on point.
It was the lowest rated sig series card. All sig series cards were jacked up. And for what it's worth, his rookie year he had a 134 ERA+ and 194 strikeouts in 175 innings.
Great, he should have had a RoY card then, SS is based off multiple years and Ankiel was...not so much.
He came on 2nd in ROY voting to Furcal. It was a multi-year card in the sense that it had good hitting attributes. He was an outfielder in the league for years afterward. He had back-to-back seasons with a 119 and 120 ops+. Hit 25 homeruns in 2008 I think it was.
Ok man you're right, a guy with a career WAR of 9.1, 13 career wins, 76 career HRs, a career .240 hitter and ERA of almost 4 with one good season certainly deserved an 88 Sig Series card.
As I said, all Sig Series cards were jacked up and his was the lowest rated one in the game.
It was a cool card. I specifically requested it once on here, but I thought a "what could have been" line of cards would have been cool. If they did that, he would have been rated even higher.
Yea shame, woulda been cool to see what coulda been. Ohtani before Ohtani
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
He doesn't have 3 full years, similar to Pete Alonso. However, if you have two working eyeballs, you'd understand why both got diamond cards.
Flaherty has had half a season worthy of being a diamond.
Would he have been a diamond this year? Most likely, yes.
Was it premature for them to make him a diamond after having half a season that was good? Yes it was.
You would admit that if you weren’t a homer.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
He doesn't have 3 full years, similar to Pete Alonso. However, if you have two working eyeballs, you'd understand why both got diamond cards.
Flaherty has had half a season worthy of being a diamond.
Would he have been a diamond this year? Most likely, yes.
Was it premature for them to make him a diamond after having half a season that was good? Yes it was.
You would admit that if you weren’t a homer.
If you weren't a Cubs fan you wouldn't have such a hard on about it. Half a season, Flaherty threw 150+ innings in 2018 with a 3.34 ERA and 180+ strikeouts. In 2019 the only bad month he had was in June.
Half a season worth of diamond status lmao. Almost 100IP a . 91 ERA with 123 K's to only 23 BB. That was one of the most dominant stretches in a long time. There was no one close to touching him.
So in a system that places the most weight on the recent season, coupled with a good 2018 season, you have yourself a nice shiny diamond.
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@VEGAS__T said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
He doesn't have 3 full years, similar to Pete Alonso. However, if you have two working eyeballs, you'd understand why both got diamond cards.
Pete broke multiple records in his first and only season. Tell me all the records Flaherty broke so far in his 2.5 seasons...I’ll wait. And no one said he played 3 full years just saying you can’t base his rating purely on last year. He doesn’t even have a winning record for his career yet and they handing him a diamond lol. ERA wise yes he was an absolute stud for HALF a season but that doesn’t justify a diamond imo
What does a winning record have to do with anything? I'm not saying Pete doesn't deserve a diamond either, they both do.
ERA wise lmao, go look at his strike out rate, walk rate, HR allowed, or any other measurable stat and try to say it was just "ERA wise"
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Dude was a 6 WAR pitcher last year with a 155 ERA+. Couple that with amazing K/9, low BB/9 and a 3 WAR season in his first go around, plus youth and great projection.. ya, he's a diamond 100%..
My Jays could have traded Donaldson for him after the 2017 season and we didn't... I'll always be upset about that...
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@XxLordKingAcexX said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
I've always wondered how they come up with some ratings. Flaherty is great, but I think there are others that deserve a diamond rating more than he does, like Juan Soto (completely unbiased).
Although I agree Soto is fantastic, he wasn't as valuable as Flaherty last year and about equal the year before. What hurts Soto is his poor fielding. Where I think he should be diamond as well though is because of his postseason performance. That should have bumped him up.
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Juan Soto is a gold so they could generate hype around the roster updates once the season started. Obviously he should be a diamond but they did the same thing with Bellinger and Judge and nobody was expecting the most exciting baseball being played by MLB stars right now to be on Playstation.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@XxLordKingAcexX said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
I've always wondered how they come up with some ratings. Flaherty is great, but I think there are others that deserve a diamond rating more than he does, like Juan Soto (completely unbiased).
Although I agree Soto is fantastic, he wasn't as valuable as Flaherty last year and about equal the year before. What hurts Soto is his poor fielding. Where I think he should be diamond as well though is because of his postseason performance. That should have bumped him up.
Soto had a .400 OBP last year and he was a gold glove finalist last year. I think he was the most valuable player to the Nats outside of Rendon who drove him in every time. Again, completely unbiased opinion here.
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@XxLordKingAcexX said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@XxLordKingAcexX said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
I've always wondered how they come up with some ratings. Flaherty is great, but I think there are others that deserve a diamond rating more than he does, like Juan Soto (completely unbiased).
Although I agree Soto is fantastic, he wasn't as valuable as Flaherty last year and about equal the year before. What hurts Soto is his poor fielding. Where I think he should be diamond as well though is because of his postseason performance. That should have bumped him up.
Soto had a .400 OBP last year and he was a gold glove finalist last year. I think he was the most valuable player to the Nats outside of Rendon who drove him in every time. Again, completely unbiased opinion here.
I don't think it's fair to compare a pitcher to a hitter. A Gold Glove finalist I don't know, but he rated slightly below average as a fielder. I'm sure getting an 89 FOTF may have had something to do with it as well.
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@VEGAS__T said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
@SaveFarris said in How is Flaherty a Diamond?:
8th best pitcher WAR last year and just about every projection system has (had) him being Top 10 again this year.
If the game ratings were based solely on last years stats then he would be diamond worthy but it’s supposed to be a three year average. And they dont use projections to determine ratings so it seems a little premature to throw the diamond label on him is all. High rated gold with a diamond upgrade later this year assuming he pitched at the same level would seem more appropriate
Chris Paddock being an 83 seems like projection.
