Ohtani FA destination
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The Os and Rays were more than just competitive. The Pirates could have been with some changes. That tells me you can do it. The As were a laugh and seemed to be an example of the "Major League" movie device. You can make a winning team, with a small budget, if things are done right. Yes, the kings of the league are usually the ones that spend the most. Which is why I believe in a cap. I also believe in a floor. 700M is absurd and should all have to go towards the luxury tax. Deferring any amount is a work around that negates the spirit of the rule. I understand if a player is injured like Prince Fielder, but deferring to post playing time is tantamount to cheating.
The big problem is how do we make it so we have thirty competitive teams to start the year? I started coming up with a theoretical system, but that would just be an academic process.
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@broken_toy1 said in Ohtani FA destination:
The Os and Rays were more than just competitive. The Pirates could have been with some changes. That tells me you can do it. The As were a laugh and seemed to be an example of the "Major League" movie device. You can make a winning team, with a small budget, if things are done right. Yes, the kings of the league are usually the ones that spend the most. Which is why I believe in a cap. I also believe in a floor. 700M is absurd and should all have to go towards the luxury tax. Deferring any amount is a work around that negates the spirit of the rule. I understand if a player is injured like Prince Fielder, but deferring to post playing time is tantamount to cheating.
The big problem is how do we make it so we have thirty competitive teams to start the year? I started coming up with a theoretical system, but that would just be an academic process.
This isn’t some new thing. The 2023 Cincinnati Reds paid Ken Griffey Jr. about $3.5 million and it counts on their salary cap figure. The Dodgers will be counting Ohtani on their tax figure while he’s long retired and living his best life in Japan.
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@xElRojo44x
I don't disagree about the Dodgers not losing anything in this deal. I knew from the start that it was either the Angels or Dodgers and everyone else was being used by his agent to maximize the contract amount.
It just depresses me to see a sport that has completely turned its back on the average person that I once (now seemingly foolishly) cared about while players crying about how "oppressed" they are and billionaire owners complaining they don't have funds for their palaces.
I would celebrate like never seen before if pro and college sports went under forever.
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@fubar2k7 said in Ohtani FA destination:
@broken_toy1 said in Ohtani FA destination:
The Os and Rays were more than just competitive. The Pirates could have been with some changes. That tells me you can do it. The As were a laugh and seemed to be an example of the "Major League" movie device. You can make a winning team, with a small budget, if things are done right. Yes, the kings of the league are usually the ones that spend the most. Which is why I believe in a cap. I also believe in a floor. 700M is absurd and should all have to go towards the luxury tax. Deferring any amount is a work around that negates the spirit of the rule. I understand if a player is injured like Prince Fielder, but deferring to post playing time is tantamount to cheating.
The big problem is how do we make it so we have thirty competitive teams to start the year? I started coming up with a theoretical system, but that would just be an academic process.
This isn’t some new thing. The 2023 Cincinnati Reds paid Ken Griffey Jr. about $3.5 million and it counts on their salary cap figure. The Dodgers will be counting Ohtani on their tax figure while he’s long retired and living his best life in Japan.
Agreed. I just don't like the work around. But if it's not against the rules...
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They'll be lucky to get 2-3 pitching years out of him, he will be a 70 mill. DH
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I feel like he'll be a reliever instead soon
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If he was 25 I might have,but in 3-5 years he might be half of what he is now, some make it through but a lot drop off mid 30s,some really drop off.
but hey, with a gamble like this all those Vegas hotel execs salivating over getting these guys to their hotels probably just solved the southwest water crisis -
Not much difference than paying an NFL QB $55 million for 17 games or an NBA player $60 million to play 82 games. Those sports are much more dangerous on the body and while I get that the money isn’t guaranteed I would be willing to bet the Dodgers got insurance on this one.
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I wonder what Al Kaline would say about the contract. When he signed for $100,000 he was appreciative but thought he wasn't worth it.
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@rageincage007 said in Ohtani FA destination:
I wonder what Al Kaline would say about the contract. When he signed for $100,000 he was appreciative but thought he wasn't worth it.
He also played at a time when a majority of his colleagues had to work second jobs during the off season.
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/weirdest-offseason-jobs-in-mlb-history-c209625104
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Baseball players are entertainers. Tom Cruise gets $70-$100 million per picture. He'll make around $100 million for the new Top Gun movie. Given those numbers, baseball players don't make that much to entertain us.
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@rageincage007 said in Ohtani FA destination:
I wonder what Al Kaline would say about the contract. When he signed for $100,000 he was appreciative but thought he wasn't worth it.
He was projecting modesty. All those guys knew they were getting shafted on money but they couldn't do anything about it.
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Al Kaline would probably be so stoked to still be alive that he wouldn't give Ohtani much thought.
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@Blind_Bleeder
Good point. I find it interesting how athletes' salaries are often displayed for public debate, while the the income of music stars, movie stars, political lobby recipients, corporate CEOs, TV media pundits, etc.... are kept low key. Weird. -
Actually Ohtani will be a 2 million $ DH until he's 39 when he gets paid lol. This contract just gets crazier by the day. Meanwhile the Dodgers can go out and get more players
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/shohei-ohtanis-contract-will-defer-68mm-per-year.html
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@samguenther1987 said in Ohtani FA destination:
Actually Ohtani will be a 2 million $ DH until he's 39 when he gets paid lol. This contract just gets crazier by the day. Meanwhile the Dodgers can go out and get more players
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/shohei-ohtanis-contract-will-defer-68mm-per-year.html
But will that hamstring them in 10 years when they start paying 68 million for a player no longer there? Is that still counted as player salary?
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It still counts toward their payroll every year, just like how the Mets are still paying Bobby Banilla years after he retired and it still counts toward their payroll
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@sbchamps17
Payroll yes, but i am not sure if his deferred money will count against the CBT after he is retired?.... for example I do not think the Reds are being penalized for Griffey's deferred money in regards to their tax...and same for Bonilla and Mets.Edit... The deferred salary wil count for next ten years but due to the deferred "present day value" (inflation), the CBT cap hit is lowered:
https://www.insidehook.com/sports/shohei-ohtani-bobby-bonilla-contract
https://www.mlb.com/news/shohei-ohtani-dodgers-deal-deferrals-explained -
I find it crazy that they're allowed to do that to contracts, they should be forced to pay him 70 million dollars just because of the absurd amount of money he's going to be getting, it's too much for 1 player who won't even be pitching this season and will probably end up being a reliever in a couple years which would make him unable to be a 2 way player anymore. He probably won't even be able to be a two way player for the entire 10 year contract, sorry for my rant but I hate him with a passion
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@sbchamps17 said in Ohtani FA destination:
sorry for my rant but I hate him with a passion
Why? Are you an Angels fan mad that he is leaving or a Toronto fan mad about the misreporting?
Maybe I just don't pay enough attention but I am baffled at what he could have done to make someone "hate him with a passion."
