Ohtani FA destination
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@NCStateHokie Well, I guess in the end Money trumps trust lol. Plus where you will be for 10 years.
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@fubar2k7 said in Ohtani FA destination:
@TheHungryHole said in Ohtani FA destination:
@fubar2k7 said in Ohtani FA destination:
@X-FREEZE-OFF-X said in Ohtani FA destination:
Looks like the wait is over.
JP is hardly a huge source but good for him if this is where he wishes to play. That is the best division in baseball by far and Toronto is a nice city so you can’t blame the guy if they’re gonna match the dollars.
absolutely - half of the american baseball teams are in horrible cities to begin with - for example, who wants to live in baltimore or detroit?
I’ve been to Los Angeles to watch the Dodgers. I’d take Toronto over LA any day although if we are talking where he would live I’m sure he’d have a mansion in Hollywood so that wouldn’t be much of an issue.
absolutely buddy
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@theBlindRhino said in Ohtani FA destination:
@TheHungryHole or St Louis, Boston, or either team in Florida.
absolutely ....... just horrible
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@ChuckCLC said in Ohtani FA destination:
@NCStateHokie Well, I guess in the end Money trumps trust lol. Plus where you will be for 10 years.
Well according to the exchange rate $700 million US dollars would be over $951 million Canadian dollars. So the Blue Jays owner would have to make a lot of money to pay him $700 million US dollars.
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@sbchamps17
Yeah, it would be nice, but it's never going to happen. The MLBPA has already said they've never agree to one. We have to just make peace with the fact that small-market teams are essentially another level of the minors for large-market teams, and hope there is something to the theory that the current set-up of the playoffs penalizes the best teams with extra days off.
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A floor is needed before a cap. Less teams exceed the luxury tax threshold and pay the tax than fall below the dollar amount MLB pays each franchise in MLB revenue share. Revenue share was $110 million and 9 had a payroll below that. 4 teams exceeded the $233 million luxury tax threshold.
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@fubar2k7 said in Ohtani FA destination:
A floor is needed before a cap. Less teams exceed the luxury tax threshold and pay the tax than fall below the dollar amount MLB pays each franchise in MLB revenue share. Revenue share was $110 million and 9 had a payroll below that. 4 teams exceeded the $233 million luxury tax threshold.
True, but I have to believe that there are tons of other costs involved with running a baseball team other than player salaries. It may be the biggest cost but not the only one.
But, that does not mean that some teams are not purposefully cheap.
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@NCStateHokie said in Ohtani FA destination:
@samguenther1987 said in Ohtani FA destination:
@sbchamps17 said in Ohtani FA destination:
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700 million is too much for 1 player period.
Thats stupid money, the Dodgers have no way out of this contract either.
Thats more then most teams payrolls.
I looked it up and only the Orioles and A's had team payrolls of less than 70 million in 2023. The Pirates and Rays were close.
Thanks for the look up. I was wondering.
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The Os and Rays were more than just competitive. The Pirates could have been with some changes. That tells me you can do it. The As were a laugh and seemed to be an example of the "Major League" movie device. You can make a winning team, with a small budget, if things are done right. Yes, the kings of the league are usually the ones that spend the most. Which is why I believe in a cap. I also believe in a floor. 700M is absurd and should all have to go towards the luxury tax. Deferring any amount is a work around that negates the spirit of the rule. I understand if a player is injured like Prince Fielder, but deferring to post playing time is tantamount to cheating.
The big problem is how do we make it so we have thirty competitive teams to start the year? I started coming up with a theoretical system, but that would just be an academic process.
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@broken_toy1 said in Ohtani FA destination:
The Os and Rays were more than just competitive. The Pirates could have been with some changes. That tells me you can do it. The As were a laugh and seemed to be an example of the "Major League" movie device. You can make a winning team, with a small budget, if things are done right. Yes, the kings of the league are usually the ones that spend the most. Which is why I believe in a cap. I also believe in a floor. 700M is absurd and should all have to go towards the luxury tax. Deferring any amount is a work around that negates the spirit of the rule. I understand if a player is injured like Prince Fielder, but deferring to post playing time is tantamount to cheating.
The big problem is how do we make it so we have thirty competitive teams to start the year? I started coming up with a theoretical system, but that would just be an academic process.
This isn’t some new thing. The 2023 Cincinnati Reds paid Ken Griffey Jr. about $3.5 million and it counts on their salary cap figure. The Dodgers will be counting Ohtani on their tax figure while he’s long retired and living his best life in Japan.
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@xElRojo44x
I don't disagree about the Dodgers not losing anything in this deal. I knew from the start that it was either the Angels or Dodgers and everyone else was being used by his agent to maximize the contract amount.
It just depresses me to see a sport that has completely turned its back on the average person that I once (now seemingly foolishly) cared about while players crying about how "oppressed" they are and billionaire owners complaining they don't have funds for their palaces.
I would celebrate like never seen before if pro and college sports went under forever.
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@fubar2k7 said in Ohtani FA destination:
@broken_toy1 said in Ohtani FA destination:
The Os and Rays were more than just competitive. The Pirates could have been with some changes. That tells me you can do it. The As were a laugh and seemed to be an example of the "Major League" movie device. You can make a winning team, with a small budget, if things are done right. Yes, the kings of the league are usually the ones that spend the most. Which is why I believe in a cap. I also believe in a floor. 700M is absurd and should all have to go towards the luxury tax. Deferring any amount is a work around that negates the spirit of the rule. I understand if a player is injured like Prince Fielder, but deferring to post playing time is tantamount to cheating.
The big problem is how do we make it so we have thirty competitive teams to start the year? I started coming up with a theoretical system, but that would just be an academic process.
This isn’t some new thing. The 2023 Cincinnati Reds paid Ken Griffey Jr. about $3.5 million and it counts on their salary cap figure. The Dodgers will be counting Ohtani on their tax figure while he’s long retired and living his best life in Japan.
Agreed. I just don't like the work around. But if it's not against the rules...
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They'll be lucky to get 2-3 pitching years out of him, he will be a 70 mill. DH
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I feel like he'll be a reliever instead soon
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If he was 25 I might have,but in 3-5 years he might be half of what he is now, some make it through but a lot drop off mid 30s,some really drop off.
but hey, with a gamble like this all those Vegas hotel execs salivating over getting these guys to their hotels probably just solved the southwest water crisis -
Not much difference than paying an NFL QB $55 million for 17 games or an NBA player $60 million to play 82 games. Those sports are much more dangerous on the body and while I get that the money isn’t guaranteed I would be willing to bet the Dodgers got insurance on this one.
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I wonder what Al Kaline would say about the contract. When he signed for $100,000 he was appreciative but thought he wasn't worth it.
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@rageincage007 said in Ohtani FA destination:
I wonder what Al Kaline would say about the contract. When he signed for $100,000 he was appreciative but thought he wasn't worth it.
He also played at a time when a majority of his colleagues had to work second jobs during the off season.
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/weirdest-offseason-jobs-in-mlb-history-c209625104
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Baseball players are entertainers. Tom Cruise gets $70-$100 million per picture. He'll make around $100 million for the new Top Gun movie. Given those numbers, baseball players don't make that much to entertain us.
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@rageincage007 said in Ohtani FA destination:
I wonder what Al Kaline would say about the contract. When he signed for $100,000 he was appreciative but thought he wasn't worth it.
He was projecting modesty. All those guys knew they were getting shafted on money but they couldn't do anything about it.
