Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?
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@khain24_psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
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@dudeman22__psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
I know I’ve posted about sinkers a few times, but I was wondering if anyone else feels similarly. I guess most people who do stopped playing, but in the last 3 or 4 years the pitch has just made the game extremely unfun. You can sit on the pitch, know it’s coming inside, and it’s still unhittable. Every game now is just a 3-2 sinker fest with unrealistic sinkers flying all over the zone. Used to play a lot and be World Series, now I can barely play a game without being completely burnt out. Clearly they have no intention of fixing it. Oh well. Guess the few times I play will be RTTS
I am not the greatest player but I don't have that much of an issue with them , any issues I do have I blame on the user - I swing at everything lol - You have to learn to hit them - under is a pop up on top is a grounder - you have to square it up and go with it , trying to pull an outside sinker is a very low success rate.
It’s just tough because unless you know for sure it’s coming, it looks like offspeed and then cuts armsife like it’s a slider
So basicly you mean tye same issue real baseball players have with picking up a sinker gamers have the same issue....mhm how bout that
Real life sinkers don't rise out of the hand, so no. The sinkers in this game are broke and have been for years. Maybe your eye isn't good enough to see it.
My biggest issue is that high sinkers don't flatten out like they are supposed to. They made them less accurate but that doesnt really fix the issue of it still moving 6+ inches up in the zone. High sinkers are supposed to be mistakes.
The worst thing is that the fix is so easy. If a sinker is aimed high, just have the game turn it into a 2 seam fastball when the pitch is thrown.
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Sinkers are 2-seamers...shrugs
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Sinkers are part of the reason I stopped playing lol. Makes it completely unfun to play.
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@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
@dudeman22__psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
@capt_awesome34 said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
@dudeman22__psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
I know I’ve posted about sinkers a few times, but I was wondering if anyone else feels similarly. I guess most people who do stopped playing, but in the last 3 or 4 years the pitch has just made the game extremely unfun. You can sit on the pitch, know it’s coming inside, and it’s still unhittable. Every game now is just a 3-2 sinker fest with unrealistic sinkers flying all over the zone. Used to play a lot and be World Series, now I can barely play a game without being completely burnt out. Clearly they have no intention of fixing it. Oh well. Guess the few times I play will be RTTS
I am not the greatest player but I don't have that much of an issue with them , any issues I do have I blame on the user - I swing at everything lol - You have to learn to hit them - under is a pop up on top is a grounder - you have to square it up and go with it , trying to pull an outside sinker is a very low success rate.
It’s just tough because unless you know for sure it’s coming, it looks like offspeed and then cuts armsife like it’s a slider
So basicly you mean tye same issue real baseball players have with picking up a sinker gamers have the same issue....mhm how bout that
We just going to forget about the last two years of high sinkers being OP?. Could have sworn this forum was littered with posts about it in ‘20 and ‘21.
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@danh35_xbl said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
@khain24_psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
@cdnmoneymaker93_xbl said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
@dudeman22__psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
@capt_awesome34 said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
@dudeman22__psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
I know I’ve posted about sinkers a few times, but I was wondering if anyone else feels similarly. I guess most people who do stopped playing, but in the last 3 or 4 years the pitch has just made the game extremely unfun. You can sit on the pitch, know it’s coming inside, and it’s still unhittable. Every game now is just a 3-2 sinker fest with unrealistic sinkers flying all over the zone. Used to play a lot and be World Series, now I can barely play a game without being completely burnt out. Clearly they have no intention of fixing it. Oh well. Guess the few times I play will be RTTS
I am not the greatest player but I don't have that much of an issue with them , any issues I do have I blame on the user - I swing at everything lol - You have to learn to hit them - under is a pop up on top is a grounder - you have to square it up and go with it , trying to pull an outside sinker is a very low success rate.
It’s just tough because unless you know for sure it’s coming, it looks like offspeed and then cuts armsife like it’s a slider
So basicly you mean tye same issue real baseball players have with picking up a sinker gamers have the same issue....mhm how bout that
Real life sinkers don't rise out of the hand, so no. The sinkers in this game are broke and have been for years. Maybe your eye isn't good enough to see it.
My biggest issue is that high sinkers don't flatten out like they are supposed to. They made them less accurate but that doesnt really fix the issue of it still moving 6+ inches up in the zone. High sinkers are supposed to be mistakes.
The worst thing is that the fix is so easy. If a sinker is aimed high, just have the game turn it into a 2 seam fastball when the pitch is thrown.
Maybe in terms as to how much break but the pitches are still quite a bit different obviously. Sinkers break down more while 2 seams have more run horizontally which is also easier to adjust and why sinkers are stronger. Although this year, the 2 seam doesn't seem to have any PAR adjustments for throwing it high so in that sense its better than a sinker up in the zone.
I will say, they just need to impose a break penalty to sinkers above the waist. Should be a simple thing to adjust.
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They fixed the sinkers. You can’t throw dots with them when throwing them high consistently like you could in years past. Just don’t swing at the high ones, He’ll throw a ton of balls doing that.
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@imbeater_psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
Sinkers are part of the reason I stopped playing lol. Makes it completely unfun to play.
So you don’t play the game but you follow & post on it’s forum regularly?
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I would not have a problem with the sinker, if all it did was sink. Upon release the ball goes up first, then it sinks. Idk how the good players can “see” that. Sliders I can see. Change ups I can see. Curveballs I can see. Fastballs I can see very well. I just can’t see the sinker at all!
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@irishfist412_xbl said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
@imbeater_psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
Sinkers are part of the reason I stopped playing lol. Makes it completely unfun to play.
So you don’t play the game but you follow & post on it’s forum regularly?
That is so weird.I got bored at work and stopped by.
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You only get to call your 2 seam a sinker if you throw it and it has a significant amount of downward movement. Most people throwing a 2 seam get arm side movement with a little vertical drop but not enough to take the ball out of the batters swing path. If you can throw a 2 seam and get it to really drop vertically with some arm side action your on to something that will miss bats and get you weak contact ground balls. Not all 2 seams are built the same.
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The only good advice I can give you on them is to use strike zone view. The sinkers on same handed match ups (right vs right or left verses left) will have to come back to the zone a little bit out of the hand to end up in the zone.
Go into custom practice and work on picking it up from the hand. It will at least help make sure you aren't swinging at ones out of the zone.
The artificial rise out of the hand is to allow the pitch recognition. We have no depth perception when hitting in a view behind the hitter. The caviat here, is those sinkers that go up in the zone should not hump from the hand and also flatten out.
There's a reason 4 seam fastballs up work, and sinkers don't. An elevated Sinker is not spinning the same way a four seam does. So up in the zone the pitcher has lost some spin rate and it will only break down slightly. It doesn't ride like a 4 seam and is why sinkers up get crushed more.
And to suggest the PAR penalty has done anything is foolish. There's already several pitchers in the game who can dot their sinkers up, just wait till the 99s start rolling in.
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Bad servers plus 97+ mph sinkers are unhittable
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What yall cryin bout today?
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Literally seconds ago, while watching a White Sox game from last week, the announcer goes "Strike three called! He stuck the sinker in the top inside corner!"
Obviously it must have been a lie because that never happens in real life... At least as far as some people are concerned.
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@spin_doctor01_psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
Literally seconds ago, while watching a White Sox game from last week, the announcer goes "Strike three called! He stuck the sinker in the top inside corner!"
Obviously it must have been a lie because that never happens in real life... At least as far as some people are concerned.
You can certainly be fooled by a high sinker in real life it just doesn't function properly in the game and that is undeniable
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@wolftex77_psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
You only get to call your 2 seam a sinker if you throw it and it has a significant amount of downward movement. Most people throwing a 2 seam get arm side movement with a little vertical drop but not enough to take the ball out of the batters swing path. If you can throw a 2 seam and get it to really drop vertically with some arm side action your on to something that will miss bats and get you weak contact ground balls. Not all 2 seams are built the same.
True but they are essentially the same pitch. Typically held the same. They may finish different but they start the same, which this game fails at representing.
Signed,
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@spin_doctor01_psn said in Has The Sinker Completely Ruined This Game For Anyone Else?:
Literally seconds ago, while watching a White Sox game from last week, the announcer goes "Strike three called! He stuck the sinker in the top inside corner!"
Obviously it must have been a lie because that never happens in real life... At least as far as some people are concerned.
You can throw a fastball up in the zone that comes back into the zone but it still doesn't come out of the hand like an offspeed pitch.
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