SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?
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@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@duckfish007_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@vein_damage_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Yeah, MLB found him guilty
And this is the same MLB that found the Astros not guilty of sign stealing when they investigated it first time round.
pretty sure mlb conducted the astros investigation on their own whereas this they brought in a third party firm
I think the point he was trying to make is that MLB has a history of looking the other way when it suits them. I'm actually pretty sure they know everything about everyone... They likely feel that something more going to come out and they're getting ahead of it. Has everything to do with their brand and nothing to do with right or wrong.
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@jonahfalcon_mlbts said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
You don't have to honor him, but pretending he doesn't exist? Removing all traces?
Sorry, sports don't work that way, especially team sports.
What are you going to do when playing as the 1991 Blue Jays?
????????, 2B
Joe Carter, RF
Kelly Gruber, 3B
Manuel Lee, SS
Rance Mulliniks, DH
Greg Myers, C
John Olerud,1B
Devon White, CF
Mookie Wilson, LFIt's '92, being their first title and it was
- CF Devon White
- 2B ????????????
- DH Dave Winfield
- RF Joe Carter
- 1B John Olerud
- LF Candy Maldonado
- 3B Ed Sprague
- C Pat Borders
- SS Manny Lee
The '93 team was even better..
And Olerud, Molitor, and ?????? Finished 1,2,3 for the batting title..
Anywho....Crazy good... 1-2-3 in the batting race is still nuts. I was a huge fan of all three of those guys (especially Molitor). But yeah, Alomar was trash for me after what he did to John Hirschbeck. All the other stuff that's trickled out over the years has just bolstered that moment. I'm not surprised the Hall of Fame isn't ejecting him, but I am surprised the reason they supplied is that he was in 'good standing' in 2011 when he was inducted. I guess that's a perspective issue given the history he's provided over the years.
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In fact.. The idea that there's enough evidence now, when this happened in 2014 means that there are witnesses or some record of complaints, which means MLB knew. They know what kind of DB's some of these guys are. If this is the case how do you feel about MLB burying this for 7 years? When it's about to go public they're "shocked" and "Appalled" etc. They likely knew as there was surely a pattern of behavior.
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@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@hubijerk_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
For all the people saying that telling a woman these days she looks nice could be considered misconduct If you dont know the difference between a compliment and misconduct you are definitely a creep.
the mlb isnt going to ban a HOF player bc he told a lady she looked nice. theyve investigated already. obviously they found something suspect enough to cut ties.
I agree he definitely had to have done something bad. I was just referring to all the people saying "nowadays you can tell a woman she looks nice and it could be considered sexual misconduct". People are creepy man
I mean, MLB cut ties from Atlanta for the All Star Game over lies regarding updates to election laws, so, no I don't think he had to have done something. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but right now in the current environment an accusation is enough for an organization or business to cut ties. We wouldn't have a game here if every player, coach, former player, etc. was investigated for misconduct because you'd probably be shocked at what would come out.
Personally I agree with the move but that's a completely different topic that I'm not gonna get into here. I think the fact that even after an investigation was done so many people still strongly defend the man is another reason why so many women don't speak up in situations.
i just am not sure why people are so quick to defend someone like this. very weird hill to die on
No one is "defending" Alomar. I was simply pointing out that none of us know the facts about this because, and this is the important part, NO ONE HAS SAID ANYTHING PUBLICLY. Again, the lot of you seem to crucify people over accusations but im guessing if some woman came up to you tomorrow and said "Hey...your son/brother/father/best friend sexually assaulted me" and walked away without presenting any form of evidence, you wouldnt be so quick to grab the hammer and nails.
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@hubijerk_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
In fact.. The idea that there's enough evidence now, when this happened in 2014 means that there are witnesses or some record of complaints, which means MLB knew. They know what kind of DB's some of these guys are. If this is the case how do you feel about MLB burying this for 7 years? When it's about to go public they're "shocked" and "Appalled" etc. They likely knew as there was surely a pattern of behavior.
thats the nature of the world we live in unfortunately. Matter of fact there's a whole field of study designated to it as well as a career. Public Relations.
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@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@hubijerk_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
For all the people saying that telling a woman these days she looks nice could be considered misconduct If you dont know the difference between a compliment and misconduct you are definitely a creep.
the mlb isnt going to ban a HOF player bc he told a lady she looked nice. theyve investigated already. obviously they found something suspect enough to cut ties.
I agree he definitely had to have done something bad. I was just referring to all the people saying "nowadays you can tell a woman she looks nice and it could be considered sexual misconduct". People are creepy man
I mean, MLB cut ties from Atlanta for the All Star Game over lies regarding updates to election laws, so, no I don't think he had to have done something. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but right now in the current environment an accusation is enough for an organization or business to cut ties. We wouldn't have a game here if every player, coach, former player, etc. was investigated for misconduct because you'd probably be shocked at what would come out.
Personally I agree with the move but that's a completely different topic that I'm not gonna get into here. I think the fact that even after an investigation was done so many people still strongly defend the man is another reason why so many women don't speak up in situations.
i just am not sure why people are so quick to defend someone like this. very weird hill to die on
No one is "defending" Alomar. I was simply pointing out that none of us know the facts about this because, and this is the important part, NO ONE HAS SAID ANYTHING PUBLICLY. Again, the lot of you seem to crucify people over accusations but im guessing if some woman came up to you tomorrow and said "Hey...your son/brother/father/best friend sexually assaulted me" and walked away without presenting any form of evidence, you wouldnt be so quick to grab the hammer and nails.
your fake scenario isnt evenm close to what happened here. What would be an accurate comparison would be if
a lady I know and told me an employee of mine sexually harassed her. I had always had an idea my employee wasnt the greatest of people. i hire a private investigator to gather the evidence for me and they provide me with what they found. Now based off the findings if i find what he has done to be despicable then thats my decision to fire him or not. even if what he did was illegal i have the right to fire him bc i dont want something negative associated with my brand/companyThats a closer scenario to the alomar scenario
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@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@hubijerk_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
For all the people saying that telling a woman these days she looks nice could be considered misconduct If you dont know the difference between a compliment and misconduct you are definitely a creep.
the mlb isnt going to ban a HOF player bc he told a lady she looked nice. theyve investigated already. obviously they found something suspect enough to cut ties.
I agree he definitely had to have done something bad. I was just referring to all the people saying "nowadays you can tell a woman she looks nice and it could be considered sexual misconduct". People are creepy man
I mean, MLB cut ties from Atlanta for the All Star Game over lies regarding updates to election laws, so, no I don't think he had to have done something. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but right now in the current environment an accusation is enough for an organization or business to cut ties. We wouldn't have a game here if every player, coach, former player, etc. was investigated for misconduct because you'd probably be shocked at what would come out.
Personally I agree with the move but that's a completely different topic that I'm not gonna get into here. I think the fact that even after an investigation was done so many people still strongly defend the man is another reason why so many women don't speak up in situations.
i just am not sure why people are so quick to defend someone like this. very weird hill to die on
No one is "defending" Alomar. I was simply pointing out that none of us know the facts about this because, and this is the important part, NO ONE HAS SAID ANYTHING PUBLICLY. Again, the lot of you seem to crucify people over accusations but im guessing if some woman came up to you tomorrow and said "Hey...your son/brother/father/best friend sexually assaulted me" and walked away without presenting any form of evidence, you wouldnt be so quick to grab the hammer and nails.
your fake scenario isnt evenm close to what happened here. What would be an accurate comparison would be if
a lady I know and told me an employee of mine sexually harassed her. I had always had an idea my employee wasnt the greatest of people. i hire a private investigator to gather the evidence for me and they provide me with what they found. Now based off the findings if i find what he has done to be despicable then thats my decision to fire him or not. even if what he did was illegal i have the right to fire him bc i dont want something negative associated with my brand/companyThats a closer scenario to the alomar scenario
Not really because you're not MLB in this case. You're a baseball fan like the rest of us being kept in the dark and expected to judge someone on a situation we know nothing about because they say so.
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@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@hubijerk_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@kovz88_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
For all the people saying that telling a woman these days she looks nice could be considered misconduct If you dont know the difference between a compliment and misconduct you are definitely a creep.
the mlb isnt going to ban a HOF player bc he told a lady she looked nice. theyve investigated already. obviously they found something suspect enough to cut ties.
I agree he definitely had to have done something bad. I was just referring to all the people saying "nowadays you can tell a woman she looks nice and it could be considered sexual misconduct". People are creepy man
I mean, MLB cut ties from Atlanta for the All Star Game over lies regarding updates to election laws, so, no I don't think he had to have done something. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but right now in the current environment an accusation is enough for an organization or business to cut ties. We wouldn't have a game here if every player, coach, former player, etc. was investigated for misconduct because you'd probably be shocked at what would come out.
Personally I agree with the move but that's a completely different topic that I'm not gonna get into here. I think the fact that even after an investigation was done so many people still strongly defend the man is another reason why so many women don't speak up in situations.
i just am not sure why people are so quick to defend someone like this. very weird hill to die on
No one is "defending" Alomar. I was simply pointing out that none of us know the facts about this because, and this is the important part, NO ONE HAS SAID ANYTHING PUBLICLY. Again, the lot of you seem to crucify people over accusations but im guessing if some woman came up to you tomorrow and said "Hey...your son/brother/father/best friend sexually assaulted me" and walked away without presenting any form of evidence, you wouldnt be so quick to grab the hammer and nails.
your fake scenario isnt evenm close to what happened here. What would be an accurate comparison would be if
a lady I know and told me an employee of mine sexually harassed her. I had always had an idea my employee wasnt the greatest of people. i hire a private investigator to gather the evidence for me and they provide me with what they found. Now based off the findings if i find what he has done to be despicable then thats my decision to fire him or not. even if what he did was illegal i have the right to fire him bc i dont want something negative associated with my brand/companyThats a closer scenario to the alomar scenario
Not really because you're not MLB in this case. You're a baseball fan like the rest of us being kept in the dark and expected to judge someone on a situation we know nothing about because they say so.
who is expecting you to judge anything here? mlb didnt ask for public opinion and neither did SDS. We are allowed to give our opinion but it is not expected nor required. in my scenario lets say theres a patron of my store that liked that employee and is upset they got fired. they are allowed to be upset of course. but their opinion holds no weight in the matter
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@vein_damage_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Yeah, MLB found him guilty
Yep they found him so guilty that they won’t even tell you what he’s guilty of.
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@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@vein_damage_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Yeah, MLB found him guilty
Yep they found him so guilty that they won’t even tell you what he’s guilty of.
its called good PR. simple business practices to not release info that could damage the brand if it is not required for the public to know.
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@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@vein_damage_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Yeah, MLB found him guilty
Yep they found him so guilty that they won’t even tell you what he’s guilty of.
its called good PR. simple business practices to not release info that could damage the brand if it is not required for the public to know.
Is it PR for the Blue Jays and the woman accusing him of whatever to not disclose publicly either?
Sorry I’m not going to hang a guy when no one will even tell you what he’s being punished and vilified for.
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I’m sure his card will be replaced, our opinions on the matter are as irrelevant as our complaints about the servers.
If MLB wants to distance themselves from alomar than surely their licensed product will do the same.
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As long as we dont know what happened,
As long as no charges are pressed,
Then removing him is exactly that, cancel culture.
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@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@vein_damage_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Yeah, MLB found him guilty
Yep they found him so guilty that they won’t even tell you what he’s guilty of.
its called good PR. simple business practices to not release info that could damage the brand if it is not required for the public to know.
Is it PR for the Blue Jays and the woman accusing him of whatever to not disclose publicly either?
Sorry I’m not going to hang a guy when no one will even tell you what he’s being punished and vilified for.
yes thats exactly what that is. The woman was pursuing legal matter so im sure her lawyers told her not to say anything publicly and the blue jays do whatever MLB wants them to do. and no one is asking you to hang the guy. frankly our opinions on the matter dont mean [censored] bc MLB has made their decision already.
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@fredyellowone_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
As long as we dont know what happened,
As long as no charges are pressed,
Then removing him is exactly that, cancel culture.
MLB is not law court.a business has the right to cut ties with their employees if they find that theyir employee doesnt represent them the way theyd like. this isnt cancel culture. matter of fact the public didnt even know anything about this to even call for him to be cancelled. MLB received the evidence and they made a decision. simple as that. if they wouldve banned him based off of public outcry then I would agree with you but this isnt the case.
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@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@fredyellowone_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
As long as we dont know what happened,
As long as no charges are pressed,
Then removing him is exactly that, cancel culture.
MLB is not law court.a business has the right to cut ties with their employees if they find that theyir employee doesnt represent them the way theyd like. this isnt cancel culture. matter of fact the public didnt even know anything about this to even call for him to be cancelled. MLB received the evidence and they made a decision. simple as that. if they wouldve banned him based off of public outcry then I would agree with you but this isnt the case.
It just concerns me that you, and so many others, are willing to just accept that this man is guilty of something when you haven’t been privy to any evidence of wrongdoing.
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@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@fredyellowone_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
As long as we dont know what happened,
As long as no charges are pressed,
Then removing him is exactly that, cancel culture.
MLB is not law court.a business has the right to cut ties with their employees if they find that theyir employee doesnt represent them the way theyd like. this isnt cancel culture. matter of fact the public didnt even know anything about this to even call for him to be cancelled. MLB received the evidence and they made a decision. simple as that. if they wouldve banned him based off of public outcry then I would agree with you but this isnt the case.
It just concerns me that you, and so many others, are willing to just accept that this man is guilty of something when you haven’t been privy to any evidence of wrongdoing.
Never once did I say he was guilty. Im saying I trust a multi billion dollar business when it says its had professionals look into the matter and found sufficient enough evidence to no longer want him to be part of the MLB. Matter of fact you can find one of my posts where I said im not saying hes guilty or should go to prison. but it would be Naive to think that MLB banned him with 0 evidence.
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Keep the card in game until the courts find him guilty. MLB is probably trying to be proactive and cutting ties with him regardless what a court would find. I remember when Kobe Bryant was accused of rape...glad NBA didn't jump the gun and axe him from the league before trial.
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@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@vein_damage_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Yeah, MLB found him guilty
Yep they found him so guilty that they won’t even tell you what he’s guilty of.
its called good PR. simple business practices to not release info that could damage the brand if it is not required for the public to know.
Is it PR for the Blue Jays and the woman accusing him of whatever to not disclose publicly either?
Sorry I’m not going to hang a guy when no one will even tell you what he’s being punished and vilified for.
Exactly. This whole thing just seems a little off. Like they're coming out and saying "We fired Alomar and you shouldn't like him anymore. But we're not gonna tell you why. Just trust us when we say that shouldnt like him anymore."
Wtf does that say about people when they're just like "Ok....thats all i need to hear. Rob Manfred says so."
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@sheyworth_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Long time Jays fan.
Would love a different card after today’s announcement. Or just remove the card in general. I love that The Show stands up for racial equality but it’s time we also stand up and stop promoting cards like this as well.
I know you guys paid for rights for this card, but it just sucks.
Not trying to start an argument but I don’t think this is worth a support ticket. There are other cards too that should be retired as well like the countless Chapman cards each year. But with this news and support from the Blue Jays head office I think it’d be right. I really don’t want to see the card in my inventory and it’s a no sell card so it’s just gonna be kind of bothersome to have him there.
I’m sure there’s others who are gonna speak up in a toxic matter so if this topic needs to be locked or removed I understand, but I’d like to see something done for this.
I have no idea what happened as I've turned off and not read or payed attention to any news for the past 15-16 months at all, but I was a Jays fan growing up and always found Roberto Alomar to be off-putting and rather a poor sportsmanship player. But at the same time, I wish people would stop getting offended by anything and everything, and just grow some thicker skin. (Again, I have no idea what the current events of the world are). It's exactly why I've actively been avoiding "news" from all sources lately.
