Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?
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@nflman2033 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@dino-might_not said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don't know why I never thought of this before, but the option to prestige your player offline but then only be able to use that card offline would be cool. You could have Online Prestige and Offline Prestige stats. Online counts for both but Offline only counts for the offline version and can't be used in online play. It wouldn't be two separate cards, just an icon on the card like No Sell after you collect it.
Yes, if people are so bothered by players obtaining good cards from grinding CPU on rookie, then yeah do this. Me I just personally hate playing people online, and want to be able to get any card I want without having to play people.
Ty glad i aint the only one who sees playing online is trash! I personally play All star or higher offline i have WAY more fun than online it actually feels like baseball!
All i witness in online is pure garbage from crappy pitching to stacked bunt teams or my favorite the guy who set his whole lineup to get your team to shift right every batter and btw so easy to counter! Very un-original. So many more reasons i could list.
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@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nflman2033 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
I never understand why people care how others acquire cards...l am a veteran maybe all star player I won’t beat a legend type player but would like for enjoy cards of my favorite players
Especially considering that people who grind vs the CPU for cards are weak players, which is why they play vs CPU. A good online player knows that it's about using cards that you are good with not just using the best cards. Give me a God squad and put me up against any top player and let them only choose gold or less and they will beat me 10 out of 10 times.
Yeh listen I play the game just to use the players I love now and as a kid... I am not looking to beat any Top 100 player just want to use a fun team
I think there are a lot of players like you, but the question becomes, why do you need to “prestige” those cards?
Other than sheer completionism, I see no reason why prestiged cards are relevant vs the cpu.
And for the most part they aren’t relevant vs people either, it’s 3 points to stats and no way equivalent to getting immortals in 18. Arguably, it is harder (more time consuming) to prestige a card on rookie at Coors than it was to prestige them in events begging for stats.
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@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nflman2033 said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
I never understand why people care how others acquire cards...l am a veteran maybe all star player I won’t beat a legend type player but would like for enjoy cards of my favorite players
Especially considering that people who grind vs the CPU for cards are weak players, which is why they play vs CPU. A good online player knows that it's about using cards that you are good with not just using the best cards. Give me a God squad and put me up against any top player and let them only choose gold or less and they will beat me 10 out of 10 times.
Yeh listen I play the game just to use the players I love now and as a kid... I am not looking to beat any Top 100 player just want to use a fun team
I think there are a lot of players like you, but the question becomes, why do you need to “prestige” those cards?
Other than sheer completionism, I see no reason why prestiged cards are relevant vs the cpu.
What if somebody wants to play offline against an extra innings team they have prestiged players in thier lineup but your told you cant have them b/c you play offline but you still have to face them?
Moments are considered offline right? So why can't the players that play offline have the same oppurtunity to have a prestiged team when things like Moment Extreme comes out?
There is a feature for offline players to play against people on leaderboards they have prestiged players in thier lineups but again the offline player doesn't?
So if we are stat tracking our players offline they become skewed b/c we don't have same oppurtunity to field best players?
And i assure you SDS is working very diligently to make AI alot smarter i noticed a huge difference in 20 vs 19 as far as CPU being alot more competitive making for alot of close games. More strategic how you approach game as well. Like i said 10x more fun than MP.
Or what about the person who is playing offline waiting to play online until all the MP bugs are sorted out b4 thay jump into mp?Their not allowed same oppurtunity to prestige thier cards b/c they had enough forsight to wait to play MP?
So yeah everyone deserves to have prestiged cards regardless if online or offline as well!
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@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
I never understand why people care how others acquire cards...l am a veteran maybe all star player I won’t beat a legend type player but would like for enjoy cards of my favorite players
It’s not that I care how my opponent acquires their cards, it’s that the game plays so wonky online. It can be very difficult to beat ANYone at the AS level, not to speak of players wielding prestige cards.
Knowing that a player earned the prestige card online makes it easier to take when you give up early home runs on poor placement.
So your saying you only give up early runs to prestiged players only?
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
Sounds to me that the issue is leaning more towards the rarity of card for "Braggin Rights."
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Prestiging online actually changes how I play online. Pitcher yesterday was 7 innings away from prestige, got kicked around a bit early but I left him in to try to get those 7 innings. He didn't actually give up any more runs and completed the 7 innings, but I doubt I would have left him in if I wasn't only 7 innings away from that goal. The prestige missions actually do sort of encourage approaching the game in a non-tactical way, to try to get them completed, and that's weird given how tough online play is compared to playing the computer at the same difficulty level! I think most of my online DD games are supposed to be at AS given the ratings of my squad and my opponents, but it's so much tougher than AS against the cpu.
Separate point, but all of my prestige pitchers are performing statistically worse than their normal card versions, I will blame myself and assume that I'm not as desperate pitching with those versions now that the prestige goal has been completed.
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@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
Other than sheer completionism, I see no reason why prestiged cards are relevant vs the cpu.
Gotta Catch 'em All!
#OCDDiagnosisConfirmed
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
I never understand why people care how others acquire cards...l am a veteran maybe all star player I won’t beat a legend type player but would like for enjoy cards of my favorite players
It’s not that I care how my opponent acquires their cards, it’s that the game plays so wonky online. It can be very difficult to beat ANYone at the AS level, not to speak of players wielding prestige cards.
Knowing that a player earned the prestige card online makes it easier to take when you give up early home runs on poor placement.
So your saying you only give up early runs to prestiged players only?
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
Sounds to me that the issue is leaning more towards the rarity of card for "Braggin Rights."
It’s more a comment on how the game plays online than anything. There is no question of being “deserving” of this or that card.
I don’t like when the game decides where my pitch is going to go and, invariably, those are the times when an unlikely home run seems to happen.
More often than not, this is because a juiced card is hitting. When my opponent flails all game and can’t hit a fastball or sinker in the zone, but suddenly perfects the hung slider, it is hard to take.
My feeling is that this is the likely outcome of facing offline prestiged cards online.
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@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
I never understand why people care how others acquire cards...l am a veteran maybe all star player I won’t beat a legend type player but would like for enjoy cards of my favorite players
It’s not that I care how my opponent acquires their cards, it’s that the game plays so wonky online. It can be very difficult to beat ANYone at the AS level, not to speak of players wielding prestige cards.
Knowing that a player earned the prestige card online makes it easier to take when you give up early home runs on poor placement.
So your saying you only give up early runs to prestiged players only?
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
Sounds to me that the issue is leaning more towards the rarity of card for "Braggin Rights."
It’s more a comment on how the game plays online than anything. There is no question of being “deserving” of this or that card.
I don’t like when the game decides where my pitch is going to go and, invariably, those are the times when an unlikely home run seems to happen.
More often than not, this is because a juiced card is hitting. When my opponent flails all game and can’t hit a fastball or sinker in the zone, but suddenly perfects the hung slider, it is hard to take.
My feeling is that this is the likely outcome of facing offline prestiged cards online.
Ah gotcha! Slider is supposed to be one of the hardest pitches to hit but i would bet a dollar to donut most HR's i gave up this year was against slider.
I think they have focused enough on the hitting past 4 or 5 years time to bring legitimate movement back into the pitches. -
enough forsight to wait to play MP?
So yeah everyone deserves to have prestiged cards regardless if online or offline as well!
It’s not a question of being “deserving”. You bought the game, you can access any feature/card you want.
I just don’t want your offline experience to compromise my online experience.
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@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
enough forsight to wait to play MP?
So yeah everyone deserves to have prestiged cards regardless if online or offline as well!
It’s not a question of being “deserving”. You bought the game, you can access any feature/card you want.
I just don’t want your offline experience to compromise my online experience.
How does someone aquiring a prestige card offline have to do with your online experience? I'm confused?
If you face against person prestige in h2h aren't you both online?
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@nymets1987_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
I never understand why people care how others acquire cards...l am a veteran maybe all star player I won’t beat a legend type player but would like for enjoy cards of my favorite players
It’s not that I care how my opponent acquires their cards, it’s that the game plays so wonky online. It can be very difficult to beat ANYone at the AS level, not to speak of players wielding prestige cards.
Knowing that a player earned the prestige card online makes it easier to take when you give up early home runs on poor placement.
So your saying you only give up early runs to prestiged players only?
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
I don’t want to play a bunch of prestige cards somebody grinded for vs cpu.
Sounds to me that the issue is leaning more towards the rarity of card for "Braggin Rights."
It’s more a comment on how the game plays online than anything. There is no question of being “deserving” of this or that card.
I don’t like when the game decides where my pitch is going to go and, invariably, those are the times when an unlikely home run seems to happen.
More often than not, this is because a juiced card is hitting. When my opponent flails all game and can’t hit a fastball or sinker in the zone, but suddenly perfects the hung slider, it is hard to take.
My feeling is that this is the likely outcome of facing offline prestiged cards online.
Ah gotcha! Slider is supposed to be one of the hardest pitches to hit but i would bet a dollar to donut most HR's i gave up this year was against slider.
I think they have focused enough on the hitting past 4 or 5 years time to bring legitimate movement back into the pitches. Sinker should sink, curve should curve, slider should slide, fastball should be fast so and so on.
Sorry was supposed to be edit not requote
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
enough forsight to wait to play MP?
So yeah everyone deserves to have prestiged cards regardless if online or offline as well!
It’s not a question of being “deserving”. You bought the game, you can access any feature/card you want.
I just don’t want your offline experience to compromise my online experience.
How does someone aquiring a prestige card offline have to do with your online experience? I'm confused?
If you face against person prestige in h2h aren't you both online?
I feel like it's a bit elitest for those who play alot online and prestiged players. It's more "i did it in way that was harder, so you should have to do it that way too". Let's be honest, most prestiged cards aren't significantly better than the non prestiged version. It's bragging rights and a sense of accomplishment more than having a much better card.
I say, take the same approach that they already do when they have a path that includes online and offline. Let online count essentially double and be done with it. If someone wants to spent 30 hours playing rookie cpu over and over to get those +3s, have at it. Online will get you there in 15 or whatever plus rewards from whatever online mode you were playing. When I saw someone with lou gehrig or even babe earlier, I was like, ok this guy put in work. When I saw people having all those finest cards done in a week, I was less impressed given you could use them in events that were notoriously generous.
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@tdizzle00_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
enough forsight to wait to play MP?
So yeah everyone deserves to have prestiged cards regardless if online or offline as well!
It’s not a question of being “deserving”. You bought the game, you can access any feature/card you want.
I just don’t want your offline experience to compromise my online experience.
How does someone aquiring a prestige card offline have to do with your online experience? I'm confused?
If you face against person prestige in h2h aren't you both online?
I feel like it's a bit elitest for those who play alot online and prestiged players. It's more "i did it in way that was harder, so you should have to do it that way too". Let's be honest, most prestiged cards aren't significantly better than the non prestiged version. It's bragging rights and a sense of accomplishment more than having a much better card.
I say, take the same approach that they already do when they have a path that includes online and offline. Let online count essentially double and be done with it. If someone wants to spent 30 hours playing rookie cpu over and over to get those +3s, have at it. Online will get you there in 15 or whatever plus rewards from whatever online mode you were playing. When I saw someone with lou gehrig or even babe earlier, I was like, ok this guy put in work. When I saw people having all those finest cards done in a week, I was less impressed given you could use them in events that were notoriously generous.
Or........ if you prestige offline it only counts on All Star difficulty or higher eliminating the rookie grind altogether and that way attributes be same
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@tdizzle00_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
enough forsight to wait to play MP?
So yeah everyone deserves to have prestiged cards regardless if online or offline as well!
It’s not a question of being “deserving”. You bought the game, you can access any feature/card you want.
I just don’t want your offline experience to compromise my online experience.
How does someone aquiring a prestige card offline have to do with your online experience? I'm confused?
If you face against person prestige in h2h aren't you both online?
I feel like it's a bit elitest for those who play alot online and prestiged players. It's more "i did it in way that was harder, so you should have to do it that way too". Let's be honest, most prestiged cards aren't significantly better than the non prestiged version. It's bragging rights and a sense of accomplishment more than having a much better card.
I say, take the same approach that they already do when they have a path that includes online and offline. Let online count essentially double and be done with it. If someone wants to spent 30 hours playing rookie cpu over and over to get those +3s, have at it. Online will get you there in 15 or whatever plus rewards from whatever online mode you were playing. When I saw someone with lou gehrig or even babe earlier, I was like, ok this guy put in work. When I saw people having all those finest cards done in a week, I was less impressed given you could use them in events that were notoriously generous.
Or........ if you prestige offline it only counts on All Star difficulty or higher eliminating the rookie grind altogether and that way attributes be same
I wouldn't mind that. I think rookie is harder to hit on than all star anyway lol
Not sure if it would be annoying to code to look for difficulty and then apply stat counting or not. We know they have issues sometimes with similar things..
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I only started the game in August. I got both Mantle and Trout collections done while playing mostly offline. As a newbie I was intimidated at playing online. I don't get to play very long every day (father of 4 with a full time job) so I only have time for like a hour most days. I stormed through moments, conquests and most everything else offline. For the past few months I've dabbled online, I'm not great. I struggle a lot, but I still have fun. I'm around 30 and 20, not great, but as a first time online player I'm happy with it. I've only prestiged a handful of players (Nick Anderson, Gallegos, DeGrom, Gallen and Soto) But I'm definitely interested in prestiging more next year on or offline.
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@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
enough forsight to wait to play MP?
So yeah everyone deserves to have prestiged cards regardless if online or offline as well!
It’s not a question of being “deserving”. You bought the game, you can access any feature/card you want.
I just don’t want your offline experience to compromise my online experience.
As long as people can prestige in events, there is absolutely no argument that can be made to justify it being online only. Playing the CPU on rookie would take longer to prestige a card than the “grinding” that went on in events this year.
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My history with the series is odd, I played many many games against the CPU in 18, 19, and the early months of 20. This was for players(18)and team affinities. (19,20) Now I am to the point where I do not want to play the cpu at all even for player program moments. I played so much against the cpu because any time I got online I would be absolutely wrecked. Now I only want to play PvP but I can understand being willing to play cpu to grind players/stats etc. I will probably pay someone to unlock single player moments in 21.
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I don't get the players who don't want to allow offline grinding to earn prestige cards. It definitely seems like they just want to be part of a more elite club. I don't buy the argument of "why do you need prestige cards offline argument" because, honestly, I could say the same thing about online as well. You won't convince me that the minor stat boosts make any more difference online than they do offline.
Secondly, I would make a wager that the following statements would be true.
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The vast majority of players who would grind for prestige players offline play very little of the online modes.
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The vast majority of the players who prefer online play have no desire to grind against the CPU for something they could grind online for.
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@savefarris_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
A LOT of talk about letting offline stats count towards prestiging cards. So I did some research last night.
I prestiged 7 cards this year (all pitchers):
Paxton
Gallegos
Anderson
Felix
Oswalt
Feller
RiveraI then went and looked at my offline stats, added them to my online stats, and see if they'd have made a difference.
Cards I would have prestiged if Offline counted:
Hendricks
Maddux
SniderCards I was only a category or 2 off from prestiging if offline counted:
Chipper
Gregorious
Helton
MantleNow, if we knew going in that offline stats counted, that DEFINTELY would have affected lineup construction. But as it is, not counting online stats ended up not making much of a difference.
I think the main reason for offline is to steer people away from stat-wh0ring and trading homers on event games.
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@gradekthebard said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
@halfbutt_psn said in Offline Prestiging: That big a difference?:
enough forsight to wait to play MP?
So yeah everyone deserves to have prestiged cards regardless if online or offline as well!
It’s not a question of being “deserving”. You bought the game, you can access any feature/card you want.
I just don’t want your offline experience to compromise my online experience.
As long as people can prestige in events, there is absolutely no argument that can be made to justify it being online only. Playing the CPU on rookie would take longer to prestige a card than the “grinding” that went on in events this year.
I disagree. I don’t think accumulating innings pitched and strikeouts vs the cpu on ANY difficulty can be compared to doing so versus opponents online, event or otherwise.
Besides, if you are saying prestiging cards online in events is easy, then what is the rub? Why don’t all you cpu grinders just play events then?
Honestly, our discussion is moot because they will do whatever they do regardless of popular opinion.
The real issue is not prestiging cards online or offline, it is that online gameplay is awful.
