The high sinker.
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@sersimpleton said in The high sinker.:
I watched all of the streams and they commonly reference the sinker as though it's a desirable pitch. "Here's Prime Joe Random, he's got that 97 MPH fastball and that sinker..." I expect it to be as strong as it was in MLB 19
Sadly, I think you’re right. Even this year some cpu pitchers threw high sinkers.
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@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
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At the end of the day, the sinker is a POWER pitch. Because of its name, people assume it's only a pitch thrown at the knees. That's not the way it is used in real life at all. The sinker is thrown just like a fastball, all over the strike zone. Up, down, in, out. When Arrieta won the Cy Young award, 48% of his sinkers were waist high or higher.
People talk like the sinker is a change up that needs to be thrown low in the zone to be effective. That isn't the case at all. I'm not saying you should be able to live up in the zone with it if you repeat it over and over, but you shouldn't live anywhere with ANY pitch over and over.
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@TroyF said in The high sinker.:
At the end of the day, the sinker is a POWER pitch. Because of its name, people assume it's only a pitch thrown at the knees. That's not the way it is used in real life at all. The sinker is thrown just like a fastball, all over the strike zone. Up, down, in, out. When Arrieta won the Cy Young award, 48% of his sinkers were waist high or higher.
People talk like the sinker is a change up that needs to be thrown low in the zone to be effective. That isn't the case at all. I'm not saying you should be able to live up in the zone with it if you repeat it over and over, but you shouldn't live anywhere with ANY pitch over and over.
Yes but when they were thrown high didn't they move like 2 seamers
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@TroyF said in The high sinker.:
At the end of the day, the sinker is a POWER pitch. Because of its name, people assume it's only a pitch thrown at the knees. That's not the way it is used in real life at all. The sinker is thrown just like a fastball, all over the strike zone. Up, down, in, out. When Arrieta won the Cy Young award, 48% of his sinkers were waist high or higher.
People talk like the sinker is a change up that needs to be thrown low in the zone to be effective. That isn't the case at all. I'm not saying you should be able to live up in the zone with it if you repeat it over and over, but you shouldn't live anywhere with ANY pitch over and over.
Yea, but how it looks in the game is the problem. It should start flat and drop, not look like a 150 mph curveball the way it comes out of the hand.
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@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
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@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
Isn't that what everyone wanted last year? Even common players having perfect pitches as long as input was good? While I disagree with that, I heard that [censored] over and over. With that logic, why wouldn't any pitcher with a sinker dominate? It will likely be worse in '20.
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@Vipersneak said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
Isn't that what everyone wanted last year? Even common players having perfect pitches as long as input was good? While I disagree with that, I heard that [censored] over and over. With that logic, why wouldn't any pitcher with a sinker dominate? It will likely be worse in '20.
Lol, I saw this too. I hope this game keeps striving for realism and ignores the ones that want it to be all about user input. Long live sim nation.
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@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
@Vipersneak said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
Isn't that what everyone wanted last year? Even common players having perfect pitches as long as input was good? While I disagree with that, I heard that [censored] over and over. With that logic, why wouldn't any pitcher with a sinker dominate? It will likely be worse in '20.
Lol, I saw this too. I hope this game keeps striving for realism and ignores the ones that want it to be all about user input. Long live sim nation.
Get better at the game
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@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
@Vipersneak said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
Isn't that what everyone wanted last year? Even common players having perfect pitches as long as input was good? While I disagree with that, I heard that [censored] over and over. With that logic, why wouldn't any pitcher with a sinker dominate? It will likely be worse in '20.
Lol, I saw this too. I hope this game keeps striving for realism and ignores the ones that want it to be all about user input. Long live sim nation.
The game will die eventually if it’s not competitive - it’s a game. Not a simulation. You can play the computer on easy offline. Online gameplay should never be simulation style. Why then even bother having a live opponent?
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@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
@Vipersneak said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
Isn't that what everyone wanted last year? Even common players having perfect pitches as long as input was good? While I disagree with that, I heard that [censored] over and over. With that logic, why wouldn't any pitcher with a sinker dominate? It will likely be worse in '20.
Lol, I saw this too. I hope this game keeps striving for realism and ignores the ones that want it to be all about user input. Long live sim nation.
The game will die eventually if it’s not competitive - it’s a game. Not a simulation. You can play the computer on easy offline. Online gameplay should never be simulation style. Why then even bother having a live opponent?
OOTP sounds like it's more his speed
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My opinion...
It shouldn’t really matter if the high sinker is OP, or if the low changeup is OP, or if the middle fastball is OP, or...
We all know that SOMETHING will be OP, but who cares? Whatever it is, it will be OP for everyone else as well.
The key (to this year, just like it was in each previous year) is to figure out what’s OP, and adapt.
The players that learn how to adapt quickest will benefit the most.
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@TroyF said in The high sinker.:
At the end of the day, the sinker is a POWER pitch. Because of its name, people assume it's only a pitch thrown at the knees. That's not the way it is used in real life at all. The sinker is thrown just like a fastball, all over the strike zone. Up, down, in, out. When Arrieta won the Cy Young award, 48% of his sinkers were waist high or higher.
People talk like the sinker is a change up that needs to be thrown low in the zone to be effective. That isn't the case at all. I'm not saying you should be able to live up in the zone with it if you repeat it over and over, but you shouldn't live anywhere with ANY pitch over and over.
Kind of true, kind of not. In real life, the movement of the pitch is dependent on its release point and trajectory. Because of Arrieta's super high release point, he's able to achieve sinker movement higher in the zone than most. He specifically adjusted his delivery in order to be able to achieve this, and it's an incredibly rare thing in baseball.
Theres no reason that 4'5" Sergio Romo should be able to do it, too.
For the sake of generalization, high sinkers should just become high, flat two seamers.
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@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
@Vipersneak said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
Isn't that what everyone wanted last year? Even common players having perfect pitches as long as input was good? While I disagree with that, I heard that [censored] over and over. With that logic, why wouldn't any pitcher with a sinker dominate? It will likely be worse in '20.
Lol, I saw this too. I hope this game keeps striving for realism and ignores the ones that want it to be all about user input. Long live sim nation.
The game will die eventually if it’s not competitive - it’s a game. Not a simulation. You can play the computer on easy offline. Online gameplay should never be simulation style. Why then even bother having a live opponent?
I think you misunderstand me when I say sim. What I mean by that is I want the players that we are controlling represented accurately and play to their unique abilities. What will kill the game is if every player feels the same bc user input is all that matters.
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@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
@Vipersneak said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
Isn't that what everyone wanted last year? Even common players having perfect pitches as long as input was good? While I disagree with that, I heard that [censored] over and over. With that logic, why wouldn't any pitcher with a sinker dominate? It will likely be worse in '20.
Lol, I saw this too. I hope this game keeps striving for realism and ignores the ones that want it to be all about user input. Long live sim nation.
The game will die eventually if it’s not competitive - it’s a game. Not a simulation. You can play the computer on easy offline. Online gameplay should never be simulation style. Why then even bother having a live opponent?
OOTP sounds like it's more his speed
I’d rather lose 100 games from skill then win 10 games from simulation. The heart racing competitiveness isn’t there for me if I feel like I’m not responsible for my outcome.
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@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
@Vipersneak said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
Isn't that what everyone wanted last year? Even common players having perfect pitches as long as input was good? While I disagree with that, I heard that [censored] over and over. With that logic, why wouldn't any pitcher with a sinker dominate? It will likely be worse in '20.
Lol, I saw this too. I hope this game keeps striving for realism and ignores the ones that want it to be all about user input. Long live sim nation.
The game will die eventually if it’s not competitive - it’s a game. Not a simulation. You can play the computer on easy offline. Online gameplay should never be simulation style. Why then even bother having a live opponent?
OOTP sounds like it's more his speed
I’d rather lose 100 games from skill then win 10 games from simulation. The heart racing competitiveness isn’t there for me if I feel like I’m not responsible for my outcome.
The game isn’t meant to represent your baseball abilities though. It’s meant to represent the players in the mlb past and present.
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Eno Sarris on The Athletic last year had an article on the lower % of 2-seams and sinkers being thrown because of the launch angle craze. Yet it’s an effective pitch in the game. Go figure
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@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
@Vipersneak said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
Isn't that what everyone wanted last year? Even common players having perfect pitches as long as input was good? While I disagree with that, I heard that [censored] over and over. With that logic, why wouldn't any pitcher with a sinker dominate? It will likely be worse in '20.
Lol, I saw this too. I hope this game keeps striving for realism and ignores the ones that want it to be all about user input. Long live sim nation.
The game will die eventually if it’s not competitive - it’s a game. Not a simulation. You can play the computer on easy offline. Online gameplay should never be simulation style. Why then even bother having a live opponent?
OOTP sounds like it's more his speed
I’d rather lose 100 games from skill then win 10 games from simulation. The heart racing competitiveness isn’t there for me if I feel like I’m not responsible for my outcome.
The game isn’t meant to represent your baseball abilities though. It’s meant to represent the players in the mlb past and present.
Online it’s meant to represent HEAD TO HEAD skill. Not the players ability. Like I said. The game is very deep. No reason to jump online if you are looking for an accurate representation of cards regardless of your ability. This is just an underhanded way of people wanting to have the h2h experience but not take the time to overcome a steep learning curve. Whats the reason for playing online if not to compete?? If you aren’t looking to compete DONT PLAY ONLINE!
What you’re saying basically is.
“I want to compete online and win. But I don’t want someone to be able to be better then me I just want to have the feeling of winning without actually having anything to do with it”
That’s that everyone gets a trophy mentality
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I love competition and head to head. We just have different views on it. For me, I want the players I’m controlling to act like their real life counterparts. If I understand you correctly, no matter who you have on your team, you want to be completely responsible for any outcome. One is realistic gameplay, the other is arcade style gameplay. Both are fine, but cannot exist in the same space.
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@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@sean_87_ said in The high sinker.:
@Vipersneak said in The high sinker.:
@A_PerfectGame said in The high sinker.:
@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:
@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:
With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP
yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted
The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.
Isn't that what everyone wanted last year? Even common players having perfect pitches as long as input was good? While I disagree with that, I heard that [censored] over and over. With that logic, why wouldn't any pitcher with a sinker dominate? It will likely be worse in '20.
Lol, I saw this too. I hope this game keeps striving for realism and ignores the ones that want it to be all about user input. Long live sim nation.
The game will die eventually if it’s not competitive - it’s a game. Not a simulation. You can play the computer on easy offline. Online gameplay should never be simulation style. Why then even bother having a live opponent?
OOTP sounds like it's more his speed
I’d rather lose 100 games from skill then win 10 games from simulation. The heart racing competitiveness isn’t there for me if I feel like I’m not responsible for my outcome.
The game isn’t meant to represent your baseball abilities though. It’s meant to represent the players in the mlb past and present.
Online it’s meant to represent HEAD TO HEAD skill. Not the players ability. Like I said. The game is very deep. No reason to jump online if you are looking for an accurate representation of cards regardless of your ability. This is just an underhanded way of people wanting to have the h2h experience but not take the time to overcome a steep learning curve. Whats the reason for playing online if not to compete?? If you aren’t looking to compete DONT PLAY ONLINE!
What you’re saying basically is.
“I want to compete online and win. But I don’t want someone to be able to be better then me I just want to have the feeling of winning without actually having anything to do with it”
That’s that everyone gets a trophy mentality
Don't bother arguing with that guy, he's always on that "realistic blah blah thing" on every thread. Better to just ignore him.
