How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!
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Seems like SDS has two rules in places with legends
- No Memeballers. They want as few Knucklebutts as possible, which is why Neikro or Tiant didn't appear
- Players must be at least 5 years removed from Baseball. If you noticed the freshest legends over the past couple years were 5 years removed
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@ImDFC said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
Seems like SDS has two rules in places with legends
- No Memeballers. They want as few Knucklebutts as possible, which is why Neikro or Tiant didn't appear
- Players must be at least 5 years removed from Baseball. If you noticed the freshest legends over the past couple years were 5 years removed
The lady and I played a local two player game awhile back. I was the Giants and she was one of the pre-canned legend teams. I was surprised to see that she had Tiant available out of the bullpen. Didn't think he was in the game this year. Shut me down for like 4 innings.
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@taterracing said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
There's nothing wrong with knuckleballers. SDS just needs to devise a way to make them hittable like everyone else. They're too overpowered.
This right here is spot on.
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I have two responses to the responses (lol):
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Learn to hit the knuckleball! It’s a pitch that has existed in baseball since baseball existed. It’s like saying any pitcher who throws a “Vulcan” or “forkball” cannot be in the game. You must learn to hit what is pitched as balls/strikes!
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I understand the “5 year rule”, but I am not certain it’s true. I said a SS RA Dickey. Chris Sale is a SS and he’s still playing for example.
R. A. Dickey was a Cy Young winner. Being a Met fan, I witnessed every start of his amazing 2012 season (20-6 2.73) on a 74-88 team! Including Johan Santana’s no-hitter (Beltran..?
) the first in club historyTHE FIRST AND ONLY KNUCKLEBALLER TO WIN A CY YOUNG! That is some achievement and should be recognized!
And yes, bring back Niekro’s, Wakefield, Hough, Wilhelm, Candiotti, etc..!
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@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
I have two responses to the responses (lol):
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Learn to hit the knuckleball! It’s a pitch that has existed in baseball since baseball existed. It’s like saying any pitcher who throws a “Vulcan” or “forkball” cannot be in the game. You must learn to hit what is pitched as balls/strikes!
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I understand the “5 year rule”, but I am not certain it’s true. I said a SS RA Dickey. Chris Sale is a SS and he’s still playing for example.
R. A. Dickey was a Cy Young winner. Being a Met fan, I witnessed every start of his amazing 2012 season (20-6 2.73) on a 74-88 team! Including Johan Santana’s no-hitter (Beltran..?
) the first in club historyTHE FIRST AND ONLY KNUCKLEBALLER TO WIN A CY YOUNG! That is some achievement and should be recognized!
And yes, bring back Niekro’s, Wakefield, Hough, Wilhelm, Candiotti, etc..!
You obviously don't grasp how players can be put in the game. Yes, Chris Sale got a SS, but they have rights to him because he is an active player. His rights are guaranteed because he is part of the players union, Chris Sale is a terrible example to use because his rights are different from those that don't play anymore.
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And you sir do not “grasp” decorum! Who knows how players are selected for the game and whom/when players/MLB give rights for their “likeness” other than Sony/SDS. Do you work for any of them? If so, please enlighten us on the internals of these decisions. If not, explain how it is you are so certain of your answer that I possibly have submitted an unfathomable suggestion for players to be included. Did they contact Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, etc from the dead for their inclusion? If RA Dickey is excluded for some reason, I did name several other knuckleballers in my post. I found your reply very sarcastic and unreliable!
Sale was just an example, he, Sale was not the point and is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
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@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
And you sir do not “grasp” decorum! Who knows how players are selected for the game and whom/when players/MLB give rights for their “likeness” other than Sony/SDS. Do you work for any of them? If so, please enlighten us on the internals of these decisions. If not, explain how it is you are so certain of your answer that I possibly have submitted an unfathomable suggestion for players to be included. Did they contact Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, etc from the dead for their inclusion? If RA Dickey is excluded for some reason, I did name several other knuckleballers in my post. I found your reply very sarcastic and unreliable!
Sale was just an example, he, Sale was not the point and is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
Obviously you do not “GRASP” nor understand the CONTEXT in submission of a SUGGESTION!We do know how these things work. Of course they didn't contact Lou Gehrig or Cy Young, but they negotiated with their family estates who own the rights to their name.
It's really simple > Active players are covered under the MLB Union, SDS has rights to use them however they see fit.
Retired players most be negotiated with individually, either with the player himself if he is alive, or with the family estate/corporation that owns the name if he is not.Ask any person on the forum, they will tell you the same thing, that is how it works. That is why Chris Sale and R.A. Dickey are not good comparisons.
You say Sale is irrelevant to the point, then why use him as an example? If he adds nothing to your post, why have him there?
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@ImDFC said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
Correction. It's 4 years. AJ Burnett last played in 2015, and appeared in MLB 19.
I was about to say. Also Ortiz last played in 16 and will now be in 20.
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kind of inspired me to do a RTTS as a Knuckleball SP
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@ImDFC said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
Correction. It's 4 years. AJ Burnett last played in 2015, and appeared in MLB 19.
5 years is just a general rule of thumb based on what we’ve seen in the past. Players can be included earlier if SDS feels the need to include them I guess.
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Until knuckleballs can be properly balanced no thanks
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This is the thing about some people... I simply suggest/requested for a player to be considered... THATS all. The example of Sale was just to respond to a post that said only players 5 years retired are SS available, so hang on to that pointless portion of my post because you are just way too smart to even reply to me... you know so much you must make it known to all! The discussion should be solely base on the merits of that along with others OPINIONS.
Then the wise guys start chiming in, they know it all and you know nothing. You MUST be insulted as well. I will not even respond to such sophomoric idiocy. You are the bottom of the bird cage as far as I’m concerned.
STICK TO THE FACTS JACK!
Fact is, I know baseball. I KNOW Knuckleballers have been an integral part of some teams vying for or winning championships or winning a CY YOUNG!
Quit with the childish insults because really, who looks foolish acting in that manner dummies. Grow up!So back to the discussion...
I understand there must be some tweaks to the gameplay to have these players compete. My point is they should not be ignored out of the game because SOME of us cannot hit a knuckleballer. How big was Wakefield for Boston?!?!
RA Dickey
Tim Wakefield
Charlie Huff
The Niekro’s
Hoyt Wilhelm
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@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
This is the thing about some people... I simply suggest/requested for a player to be considered... THATS all. The example of Sale was just to respond to a post that said only players 5 years retired are SS available, so hang on to that pointless portion of my post because you are just way too smart to even reply to me... you know so much you must make it known to all! The discussion should be solely base on the merits of that along with others OPINIONS.
Then the wise guys start chiming in, they know it all and you know nothing. You MUST be insulted as well. I will not even respond to such sophomoric idiocy. You are the bottom of the bird cage as far as I’m concerned.
STICK TO THE FACTS JACK!
Fact is, I know baseball. I KNOW Knuckleballers have been an integral part of some teams vying for or winning championships or winning a CY YOUNG!
Quit with the childish insults because really, who looks foolish acting in that manner dummies. Grow up!So back to the discussion...
I understand there must be some tweaks to the gameplay to have these players compete. My point is they should not be ignored out of the game because SOME of us cannot hit a knuckleballer. How big was Wakefield for Boston?!?!
RA Dickey
Tim Wakefield
Charlie Huff
The Niekro’s
Hoyt Wilhelm
Tom CandiottiThe post was that players have to be 5 (4) years retired to get a card in the game not a signature series card, any player in the game is eligible for a signature series card.
And to answer your last couple points, of the hundreds of thousands of pitchers that have played baseball you can name 7? Knuckleballers? But they’re integral to championships and winning a cy young?
Yes until they can be properly balanced they have no place in an online competitive game mode, knuckleballers are in the game their just aren’t any flashback knuckleballers in dd as there shouldn’t be right now.
The worst way to win an argument is to go off the rails and start insulting people or to lead off with “I know baseball”
Anyone that has played this VIDEO GAME knows how bad knuckleballs have been and it has nothing to do with people’s ability to hit them...
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I think by sds not including them this year they are acknowledging that they were implemented poorly in the past versions of the game. There was a special on knuckleballers a few years ago that featured Wakefield on either ESPN or maybe mlb network. He basically admitted that for the most part he didn’t know where the pitch was going and some days the pitch just didn’t work. The problem with the knuckleball in the game is people could basically dot the corners with it and even when you didn’t execute the pitch well it still moved all over the place. If they were to include the pitch in the future it should be more difficult to control and if you do miss on execution it should flatten out and float over the plate. Then at least there is a risk reward element. If you want to run knuckleballers out there you should have to execute or get crushed. That wasn’t the case in 18. You could basically just let it go and it would dance all over the place
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@pfcorporate said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
I think by sds not including them this year they are acknowledging that they were implemented poorly in the past versions of the game. There was a special on knuckleballers a few years ago that featured Wakefield on either ESPN or maybe mlb network. He basically admitted that for the most part he didn’t know where the pitch was going and some days the pitch just didn’t work. The problem with the knuckleball in the game is people could basically dot the corners with it and even when you didn’t execute the pitch well it still moved all over the place. If they were to include the pitch in the future it should be more difficult to control and if you do miss on execution it should flatten out and float over the plate. Then at least there is a risk reward element If you want to run knuckleballers out there you should have to execute or get crushed. That wasn’t the case in 18. You could basically just let it go and it would dance all over the place
Exactly. This is why I think SDS is just taking the easy route. They're taking all the knuckleballers out of the game they can and adjusting Events restrictions instead of dealing with the actual issue.
You're right. The knuckleball is so specialized and needs to be treated different from other pitches. Hopefully, some day, SDS will take a look at it and really address the issue because I have a real fondness for the knuckleball and I don't want to see guys left out because they can't make them hittable. I have a feeling they'll do the same thing in 20 that they did in 19.
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@Lyman2616 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
kind of inspired me to do a RTTS as a Knuckleball SP
I did the same thing but my Knuckleball is my secondary pitch.
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Skepple15, first, I was making a request to SDS and to the community. The feedback from players has been helpful as I am new to the experience of this game. Even some of your responses to the post were helpful. It’s clear what was unnecessary to the forum.
I have no experience with any past iteration of the game. This is the last time I will bother addressing your comments as you appear to be an employee of Sony or SDS or are just too knowledgeable than the rest of us that you resort to insults. I didn’t ask you for your continued responses, it’s clear where you stand and I’d much rather hear the rest of the community than anymore of what you have to say. Let’s just wipe out all player that have existed because they throw a certain pitch instead of figuring out a way to integrate them into the game (ie personal catchers that have no offense or pay the defensive price or some other IDEA).
It’s not YOUR GAME, it’s OUR GAME.
YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE.
Some may like a knuckleballer in the game, some may not. If there was an issue in past years of the game, then so be it or figure out a way.
The point is, this man won a Cy Young for best pitcher in the NL in 2012. That cannot be erased nor diminished. It’s a hell of an achievement that he deserves his accolades. There was even a friggin’ movie /documentary with him! “Knuckleball”.
It doesn’t matter how many knuckle ball pitchers I can name, the point is it’s part of the rich history of baseball.
I have been watching baseball since back in the day when Mike Scott was on the Mets... he was one of the worst pitchers in baseball! He went to Houston, learned at the time a “new” pitch called the split finger fastball! It had been around in different deliveries, but NOTHING like Mike Scott has invented. This is the modern day splitter that is common today. Scott mastered that splitter and became one of the best pitchers in all of baseball. Point is, if that was now should we ban pitchers who throw splitters?
You have made your opinions known, move on and let others have their say to the COMMUNITY & SDS!Again, maybe personal catchers that are real light hitters or use your best catcher at your own peril... that can be one metric to help..?
Thank you to those whom have been helpful and have constructive feedback!
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@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
Skepple15, first, I was making a request to SDS and to the community. The feedback from players has been helpful as I am new to the experience of this game. Even some of your responses to the post were helpful. It’s clear what was unnecessary to the forum.
I have no experience with any past iteration of the game. This is the last time I will bother addressing your comments as you appear to be an employee of Sony or SDS or are just too knowledgeable than the rest of us that you resort to insults. I didn’t ask you for your continued responses, it’s clear where you stand and I’d much rather hear the rest of the community than anymore of what you have to say. Let’s just wipe out all player that have existed because they throw a certain pitch instead of figuring out a way to integrate them into the game (ie personal catchers that have no offense or pay the defensive price or some other IDEA).
It’s not YOUR GAME, it’s OUR GAME.
YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE.
Some may like a knuckleballer in the game, some may not. If there was an issue in past years of the game, then so be it or figure out a way.
The point is, this man won a Cy Young for best pitcher in the NL in 2012. That cannot be erased nor diminished. It’s a hell of an achievement that he deserves his accolades. There was even a friggin’ movie /documentary with him! “Knuckleball”.
It doesn’t matter how many knuckle ball pitchers I can name, the point is it’s part of the rich history of baseball.
I have been watching baseball since back in the day when Mike Scott was on the Mets... he was one of the worst pitchers in baseball! He went to Houston, learned at the time a “new” pitch called the split finger fastball! It had been around in different deliveries, but NOTHING like Mike Scott has invented. This is the modern day splitter that is common today. Scott mastered that splitter and became one of the best pitchers in all of baseball. Point is, if that was now should we ban pitchers who throw splitters?
You have made your opinions known, move on and let others have their say to the COMMUNITY & SDS!Again, maybe personal catchers that are real light hitters or use your best catcher at your own peril... that can be one metric to help..?
Thank you to those whom have been helpful and have constructive feedback!
All I’ve said is knuckleballers need to be balanced properly, no where did I insult you, please show me where I insulted you.
On your Mike scott comment, if you used Mike Scott in the game and threw 140 straight splitters they would lose effectiveness, I’ve seen guys throw 140 knuckleballs in a game with the same effectiveness on pitch 140 as they had on pitch 1, until that changes it’s going to be a no from most people in the community.
Other people are allowed to comment but I’m not? The way you argue makes me think this is a burner account for grizzbear.
