Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous
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@xElRojo44x_MLBTS said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@JiggidyJJ_PSN said in
If you have an issue with the grind, then that is a different OP.
That is not the point. He, like many others, thinks that if you grind many hours for a card, or even spend stubs on one, then those cards that you earned should not expire. This is not about grinding or getting free cards. This is about having a card that you earned, being deemed basically useless.
Thank you.
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@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@Pergo_MLBTS said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
They don't really "expire" and you don't have to "burn" them like in the analogy you used. You just can't use them in modes where Set 1 cards are not eligible. You can still use them in other modes where Set 1 cards are eligible, or you can use one as your wild card in any mode.
Dude I don’t play anything but online modes lol
Which majority of people do in this game
I absolutely hate playing against the computer- I play one game of mini seasons on HOF to get warmed up and then it’s online play for me(mostly co-op ranked and regular ranked
i hope set 3 has some bangers because Set two has been overall very disappointing when it comes to batters.
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@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@Pergo_MLBTS said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
They don't really "expire" and you don't have to "burn" them like in the analogy you used. You just can't use them in modes where Set 1 cards are not eligible. You can still use them in other modes where Set 1 cards are eligible, or you can use one as your wild card in any mode.
Dude I don’t play anything but online modes lol
Which majority of people do in this game
None of us actually have any proof how the majority of players actually play the game (offline only, Online Only, combination, etc)
I would not be surprised to find that even if the majority do play online only that it is not by a huge margin.
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Yep it’s awful but that’s what sds wants lol
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@Apolloz_99_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
Well y’all better pick your wildcard correctly then
Lol- I think if they gave you the option to pick 3 or 4 wildcards then it this wouldn’t be such an issue
Because you would still have to grind for the newer cards that are realized but you’d also get to carry over 3 cards that you absolutely love
Just imagine a person has played the game enough to get chipper, babe and Pedro. They literally can only use one of those cards going forward- that’s bizarre especially how heavy the grind was to obtain those set one collection cards
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@Dolenz_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@Ericulous1_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
I get everyone’s frustration but I said this before and I’ll say it again- this game is being treated as 6 mini cycles. Instead of one long slow grind- we get 6 quickies (TWSS). If they waited to tell us these cards wouldn’t be useable until it was too late, that would be absurd. But it’s been written for months. Any of you spending money/stubs certainly didn’t have to if you thought it was unfair. there are so many solid cards that are free. I haven’t spent a dime other than the $100 to buy the game and I have a tons of solid 99s that are end game. Yes, I flip. They gave me that option and I took it.
Do I like this model? yes and no. I wish we had a happy medium. Maybe no sets and seasons and dozens of end game 99s from day 1. But I definitely got tired of grinding for cards that were trumped by better cards the min you got them. I’ll use guys like Chipper all year.
“But you can’t, they expire!” not for me, I’d rather get a root canal than only play online. Offline is how I enjoy my games or a league with friends. I love when someone says the majority of players play online. How do you know? Most of the people I know either prefer offline or like both.
Anyway, I’d also like to point out that sets 4-6 are probably really short time periods or with be overloaded with insane cards like the end game always is.
6 mini cycles where their goal is to get you to spend as many stubs as they can get from you.
And they do expire for you. I also play offline only. If you want to do any Season 3 or beyond conquest maps or mini seasons then those cards will essentially be expired for that content. You would be relegated to re-running Season 1 and 2 conquest maps or the US map.
All I know is that when July 7th comes around, if my Cardinal Theme team is gutted because I am using so many good Set 1 cards (Walker, Edmonds, Smith, WBC Arenado and Goldschmidt and Nootbaar, Charisma Edman, Captain Wainwright, Gibson, Lee Smith), many of whom will have multiple Parallel levels, then I am more than likely done at that point.
I get what you’re saying. But honestly there are so many more cards this year than years previous. So if your goal is to collect every card (which is usually my goal), then yeah you’ll be spending stubs. If you just want a solid team, there will be plenty of options. Personally, I use program pxp guys for mini seasons and conquest and otherwise I just play straight up against cpu. I’m sure that’s boring for most, but I still enjoy it.
Also, I’d point out that TA Mini Seasons you already can’t use a bunch of the cards. No Charisma, no WBC, no specialty like Finest, Award, etc. it’s basically intended to use the cards from Captain, LS and whatever that TA is. Standard MS you can you any cards all year.
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@Ericulous1_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
So if your goal is to collect every card (which is usually my goal), then yeah you’ll be spending stubs. If you just want a solid team, there will be plenty of options.
It's not. I have no delusions of collecting every card. I don't play enough for that to even be an option. I just want the best Cardinals team that I can put together.
As I said, I like to use my Cardinals theme team. It is something I do every year. It is what I enjoy doing. So, while I know I will have plenty of cards to replace expiring Cardinal Set 1 players with, the question is will I have enough new Cardinal cards to replace the old ones. That will be the question I ask myself on July 7th. If the answer is "No" or even if the answer is "Yes, but it will cost you hundreds of thousands of stubs." then I will most likely stop any semblance of regular play.
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@Dolenz_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@Ericulous1_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
So if your goal is to collect every card (which is usually my goal), then yeah you’ll be spending stubs. If you just want a solid team, there will be plenty of options.
It's not. I have no delusions of collecting every card. I don't play enough for that to even be an option. I just want the best Cardinals team that I can put together.
As I said, I like to use my Cardinals theme team. It is something I do every year. It is what I enjoy doing. So, while I know I will have plenty of cards to replace expiring Cardinal Set 1 players with, the question is will I have enough new Cardinal cards to replace the old ones. That will be the question I ask myself on July 7th. If the answer is "No" or even if the answer is "Yes, but it will cost you hundreds of thousands of stubs." then I will most likely stop any semblance of regular play.
That makes sense of course. Honestly, I agree with a lot of people, I think this was a good idea in theory but as it plays out, it may end up turning a lot of people off. I for one of course hope it works out because I not only want to enjoy the game, but I like when the community is into it as well. Not like I want to evangelize and make everyone like it, there are aspects that drive me insane. I hope they have a plan and they don’t have to pivot on July 7th because a ton of people drop off.
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@Ericulous1_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
I hope they have a plan and they don’t have to pivot on July 7th because a ton of people drop off.
I do have a feeling that the weekend of July 7h will be an interesting one on this forum and on Reddit. I think for some players that it won't dawn on them until it happens.
There are 69 cards that are set 1 with a 99 overall rating that will cease to be useful online.
Right now my cardinals Theme team is
97 Edman (Set 1)
99 Walker (Set 1)
99 Edmonds (Set 1)
92 McGwire (set 2 captain)
92 Nolan Gorman (set 2)
95 Arenado (set 1)
90 NootBaar (set 1)
95 Goldschmidt (set 1)
94 Contreras (set 2)Bench
90 Tyler O'Neill (set 1)
95 Matt Carpenter (set 1)
99 Ozzie Smith (set 1)So between now and July 7th I will need to come up with 6 starters and 3 bench bats to stop my theme team from getting decimated. I guess we will see how it goes. Oh, and two starting pitchers, including what may be my first P5 ever, Captain Adam Wainwright.
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@Dolenz_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@Ericulous1_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
I hope they have a plan and they don’t have to pivot on July 7th because a ton of people drop off.
I do have a feeling that the weekend of July 7h will be an interesting one on this forum and on Reddit. I think for some players that it won't dawn on them until it happens.
There are 69 cards that are set 1 with a 99 overall rating that will cease to be useful online.
Right now my cardinals Theme team is
97 Edman (Set 1)
99 Walker (Set 1)
99 Edmonds (Set 1)
92 McGwire (set 2 captain)
92 Nolan Gorman (set 2)
95 Arenado (set 1)
90 NootBaar (set 1)
95 Goldschmidt (set 1)
94 Contreras (set 2)Bench
90 Tyler O'Neill (set 1)
95 Matt Carpenter (set 1)
99 Ozzie Smith (set 1)So between now and July 7th I will need to come up with 6 starters and 3 bench bats to stop my theme team from getting decimated. I guess we will see how it goes. Oh, and two starting pitchers, including what may be my first P5 ever, Captain Adam Wainwright.
Lou Brock comes out tomorrow :), it’s a start haha.
On a side note, I just started smashing the ball with Charisma Edman. Hadn’t done too well with him but all of sudden, he’s a menace.
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@DoIHearBossMusic_MLBTS said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@mjfc_363_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
The content is only gonna get better so I wouldn’t sweat it.
The issue isn’t if the content will be great or not
The issue is being FORCED to have cards your grinded for be absolutely irrelevant in a month or so
Just picture if you grinded season one for chipper, babe and Pedro
You can literally only use one of them next month and that’s only if you decide to make one of them your wildcard over your other cards at that
That’s wayyyyyyy too much grinding to have the cards you grinded for be irrelevant
And I don’t think you’re going to get much better than chipper or babe- maybe equal but not better… if anything might be slightly better
Chipper and Babe are pretty much maxed out lol
Babe is 100% maxed out.
Agreed, I don't get the 'better content' argument. Will they be releasing 100s now? They shot their load too early on the best players having 99s like Griff, Chipp, Babe, Maddux, Pedro. Or will they just release alternate 99 versions of the same players??? That would be weak
They already have what, two Kelly Jansen (Red Sox Closer) - the "core" one and a milestone (400 saves) one?
They've been re-releasing the same players in multiple "formats" for years now - that "weakness" is another long-sailed ship...
I've already got a "captain" David Ortiz, and I fully expect to see his "game cover" card sometime this year along with at least one or two other versions...
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@eatyum_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@eatyum_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
They were pretty transparent about this change from the get go
I agree they were but they also said it was a trial and error thing to see how it worked out
Like I said earlier I didn’t really think about it in the beginning bc it seemed so far away and I guess in the back of my mind I thought- “they wouldn’t do that”
And obviously that wasn’t the smartest on my part
But then seeing how heavy the offline grind is this year and the season coming to an end in about a month it really made me think about it more as of late
And I stand by what I said- it’s absolutely ridiculous to grind/spend for a 99 cracked card
Then not being able to use said card and then having to do that grind or spend money all over again for pretty much the same exact card all over again lol
It doesn’t even make sense when I say it out loud
No they said the trial and error thing to see how it worked out was about captains, not sets
Ok I’m able to say when I was mistaken which I was about the trial and error.. I believe
But I do remember them being pretty ambiguous about what further seasons/sets would consist of
So if I’m never able to use these set one cards again what’s the purpose of keeping them? What was the purpose of grinding for them and building their stats
Are they just going to make my Griffey and trout from season one obsolete and then turn around and gives us another griffey and trout that I need to pay/grind for again
These are my questions/gripes with this whole thing
Maybe wait until set/season 3 to see how it works?
Ok I took the bait and unblocked you becaue you’re so active in this thread so I’ll answer you question
They’ve already told us how season 3 works- which is the whole Lonny if my thread
You won’t be able to use cards that you grinded for and/or paid for from season one- and that’s my whole complaint
You’ll be able to use all of your cards, just not in every mode.
Not sure what “Lonny if my thread” means but, you do you I guess.
Point of my thread*
And not being able to use them in n ranked seasons, as I stated on the first page, is the reason this expiring card fiasco is ridiculous.
You said it’s because you spent money on them. Or “grinded” for them.
What you could do, is not spend money on cards that you won’t be able to use in your preferred modes of gameplay.
And for the free cards you got from “grinding” have the mindset that you actually got them from playing the game you enjoy playing.
You do enjoy playing the game yes? If not, then why are you playing it.
Again this makes no sense- there was no way to grind for certain cards- you either had to buy them out right or buy a pack and hope you got lucky. Either way it takes money
I’m not worried about spending money- I’m frustrated that you’re not going to be able to use the cards, I’ve spent my time/money to gain, which means I own them, any time I want.
I don’t understand why that’s so difficult for you to understand- and I’m saying that sincerely, not trying to be rude or anything
I don’t understand how it’s so difficult for you to grasp that people that have spent time and or money on anything in life would like to be able to use the fruits of their labors when they like to and not be told when they can do so- especially in something that’s supposed to be a fun children’s game- IE a video game
Perspective...
To rehash:
Last year, I "paid" for a Manga Randy Johnson on day 1. (from one of the packs that came with deluxe) Because he was a 90 OVR, he was "weak" by mid-may, and "functionally useless" by mid-june, because I was expected to field a full team of then-"new" 94 and maybe 95 OVR cards...
Which was SDS's "plan" - "force" people to churn their team multiple times in a year via the steady increase of OVR, and the "early" cards were either handicaps or "worthless" by mid-season, and the mid-season cards were in that boat by year's end...
And I know this because I used my team slots to "compare" the teams I "picked up" throughout the season - first slot is my original team, second slot is my "month and a half in" team, and my final team is completely different (ie, uses no cards) than the original.This year, my Charisma Set 1 Bob Gibson is a 99 OVR. He will remain "full power" for the entire year.
Granted, in "mid june" he won't be "free to slot on my team" in most (especially competitive) modes, however, I could place him in the wild-card slot with a full crew of set 2 or 3 cards.
And if I like my set 1 99 Ricky Henderson that I "ground for" more, I could put him in the wild card slot - but that would preclude me from having set 1 Gibson as well...
And then there will be tournaments in which I can build myself a team of the best cards I own "set-free", so I can pair multiple set 1s with set 3s...Yes, they are blatantly "forcing" you to churn your roster X times this year - via the set mechanic - yet how different is is than last year's?
And remember, it's not going to be "drop all of set X because set Y came out" - there's gonna be "overlap" - right now we have access to all our set 1s while assembling a full team of set 2s, and when 3 drops in mid-june, we will still have all our 2s, and a "select" 1 to mess with while assembling the set 3s...
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@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
I think the expiring cards thing is absolutely insane- didn’t really think about it when the game first released but now that we are getting closer to to season 3 and set 1 cards won’t be useable I really feel cheated
I spent money/stubs on some of these cards they’re my property. I’ve built their averages up and I want to continue to use them and decide on my own if I want to replace them or not
Imagine going to footlocker spending money and buying 3 pairs of sneakers and the manager comes out and says- “thank you for your purchase, you can only wear the brown sneakers for a month and then you have to burn them”
like this makes no sense
It’s not like you didn’t know this until now. Maybe you should’ve thought about this before sinking money into these cards. Btw once the seasons portion of this game has ended (no new content period) my guess is everything will be usable again.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
I think the expiring cards thing is absolutely insane- didn’t really think about it when the game first released but now that we are getting closer to to season 3 and set 1 cards won’t be useable I really feel cheated
I spent money/stubs on some of these cards they’re my property. I’ve built their averages up and I want to continue to use them and decide on my own if I want to replace them or not
Imagine going to footlocker spending money and buying 3 pairs of sneakers and the manager comes out and says- “thank you for your purchase, you can only wear the brown sneakers for a month and then you have to burn them”
like this makes no sense
It’s not like you didn’t know this until now. Maybe you should’ve thought about this before sinking money into these cards. Btw once the seasons portion of this game has ended (no new content period) my guess is everything will be usable again.
LOL, How pissed are these guys gonna be when their "Unusable" End Game cards actually can be used just fine at the end of the game! LOL
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@GixxerRyder750 said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
I think the expiring cards thing is absolutely insane- didn’t really think about it when the game first released but now that we are getting closer to to season 3 and set 1 cards won’t be useable I really feel cheated
I spent money/stubs on some of these cards they’re my property. I’ve built their averages up and I want to continue to use them and decide on my own if I want to replace them or not
Imagine going to footlocker spending money and buying 3 pairs of sneakers and the manager comes out and says- “thank you for your purchase, you can only wear the brown sneakers for a month and then you have to burn them”
like this makes no sense
It’s not like you didn’t know this until now. Maybe you should’ve thought about this before sinking money into these cards. Btw once the seasons portion of this game has ended (no new content period) my guess is everything will be usable again.
LOL, How pissed are these guys gonna be when their "Unusable" End Game cards actually can be used just fine at the end of the game! LOL
Why would I want to wait until the end of a games cycle to use my cards that I like and would like to use THROUGHOUT the game’s cycle
You guys just seem to be really good I with using your hard earned free time and money to grind/buy cards and having sds tell you when you can and cannot use them
If this is the route they’re going, which it’s obvious to create more revenue for the company by making you buy more stubs, they should at least let us have 3 wildcard spots instead of one
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Why are these type of topics not deleted? The miss information OP has posted may cause a new comer to believe this nonsense.
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@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
It’s almost like people constantly whined about the game being the same year after, so they changed it. Weird.
Na I wasn’t one of those people
And honestly what people complained about last year was GAMEPLAY-
Content was never an issue with this game
Everyone always said content/cards are great and always have the content team props
Last year the issue was gameplay
Read the comments of any social media post from the last two years. Any platform, any post.
Lol what? People did not complain about content
The main complaint was gameplay last year
That’s why sds made sure to address that in their streams before 23 was released
The main complaint was not content
Are we literally rewriting history right now?? Lol bro it wasn’t that long ago
I didn’t say it was the “main complaint” you did.
Here’s a question for you champ.
How many cards from April or May of last year, aside from any collection rewards, were in your lineup come October?Bro, you're view is askew.
- NO one wanted cards that became unusable
- Content was on the low end of the list of complaints, not the high end
- The reason cards from April, May were not used is because they gradually increased the quality /OVR, etc, of the cards as the year went on. Now they started off with top end cards
- Collection rewards meant something in previous years and in 23 will probably be required to get subsequent collection rewards
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@NYGxNYMxFan68_XBL said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
@BJDUBBYAH_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
It’s almost like people constantly whined about the game being the same year after, so they changed it. Weird.
Na I wasn’t one of those people
And honestly what people complained about last year was GAMEPLAY-
Content was never an issue with this game
Everyone always said content/cards are great and always have the content team props
Last year the issue was gameplay
Read the comments of any social media post from the last two years. Any platform, any post.
Lol what? People did not complain about content
The main complaint was gameplay last year
That’s why sds made sure to address that in their streams before 23 was released
The main complaint was not content
Are we literally rewriting history right now?? Lol bro it wasn’t that long ago
I didn’t say it was the “main complaint” you did.
Here’s a question for you champ.
How many cards from April or May of last year, aside from any collection rewards, were in your lineup come October?Bro, you're view is askew.
- NO one wanted cards that became unusable
- Content was on the low end of the list of complaints, not the high end
- The reason cards from April, May were not used is because they gradually increased the quality /OVR, etc, of the cards as the year went on. Now they started off with top end cards
- Collection rewards meant something in previous years and in 23 will probably be required to get subsequent collection rewards
What makes you think I’m a male and should be called “Bro”?
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@Tylerslikewhoa_XBL said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
Why are these type of topics not deleted? The miss information OP has posted may cause a new comer to believe this nonsense.
What misinfo was posted? Please let me know and I’ll correct the op
Nothing I posted was wrong
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@aware_ward13_PSN said in Expiring Cards is absolutely ridiculous:
Nothing I posted was wrong
I won't attempt to argue the emotional aspect (the "I feel cheated" stuff)
However:
If you look at 23's "set release / retirement" dates alongside 22's (and earlier) release of bigger OVR cards, you'll see an interesting parallel...
Mid-may, 23: release set 2. 22: release 92 OVR.
Early June: 23: release set 3, retire set 1. 22: release 94 OVR.Now, tell me, in 22, how many of your day-1 or even "set 1" 90 OVR cards would be useful (ie, not "handicapped stats") in this mid-may to early july window, and at all useful once the 94s come out???
This year, all my "set 1s" are still useful and at full (not handcapped compared to "set 2" cards) power right now, and I have the entire "set" to acquire enough set 2 high powered players to remain "competitive" before the "retirement" of the set 1s is enforced - and even then, I can bring a singular set 1 high powered player with me via the wild-card slot - and he will retain his entire power during set 3 and beyond - till the day the servers shut down.
Also, there will be events in which I can draw from my entire card pool, so I can pick any say, LF I own...BTW, while it's on my mind, "content" in competitive PvP environments = actual people to play against. This system, with the increased "usefulness" of cards during "grind periods" (for those non-whales amongst the playerbase) = more "content" to play against...
