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A positional restriction is a gimmick. It is like when the NBA tried to eliminate zone defense.
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@hustlinowl_psn said in CBA progress:
90 minute meeting. No proposals. Talked about banning the shift. So another wasted day.
Banning the shift is stupid, Guys need to learn how to hit the other way that is how you stop the shift
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
@hustlinowl_psn said in CBA progress:
90 minute meeting. No proposals. Talked about banning the shift. So another wasted day.
Banning the shift is stupid, Guys need to learn how to hit the other way that is how you stop the shift
While I agree to an extent, "hitting the other way" isn't near as easy to do now as it was 20 years ago. Pitchers are throwing 92 mph sliders in on the hands now. Its almost impossible to take that the other way. What needs to happen with the shift is simple. Must have 4 infielders on the dirt. I don't care what side of 2nd they are on but you shouldn't be able to play someone in shallow RF. Just my 2 cents
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@the_dragon1912 said in CBA progress:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
@hustlinowl_psn said in CBA progress:
90 minute meeting. No proposals. Talked about banning the shift. So another wasted day.
Banning the shift is stupid, Guys need to learn how to hit the other way that is how you stop the shift
While I agree to an extent, "hitting the other way" isn't near as easy to do now as it was 20 years ago. Pitchers are throwing 92 mph sliders in on the hands now. Its almost impossible to take that the other way. What needs to happen with the shift is simple. Must have 4 infielders on the dirt. I don't care what side of 2nd they are on but you shouldn't be able to play someone in shallow RF. Just my 2 cents
OK, I can agree with that. If the put restrictions on the shift for the infield next will be putting restrictions on outfielders shifting to the gaps or to the lines. You give a little then they want more.
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@the_dragon1912
Valid argument. For me personally I wouldnt be upset with that but I also don't think they should put restrictions like that myself. It's true that it's harder to hit the other way but so many guys come up nowadays with that ability and then get pull happy once they hit a few home runs and lose that ability. As a Met fan Conforto is a perfect example. He was great as using all fields when he came up, then he got pull happy and became super inconsistent. They need to start teaching more discipline and stop guys from getting pull happy. -
@kovz88_psn said in CBA progress:
@the_dragon1912
Valid argument. For me personally I wouldnt be upset with that but I also don't think they should put restrictions like that myself. It's true that it's harder to hit the other way but so many guys come up nowadays with that ability and then get pull happy once they hit a few home runs and lose that ability. As a Met fan Conforto is a perfect example. He was great as using all fields when he came up, then he got pull happy and became super inconsistent. They need to start teaching more discipline and stop guys from getting pull happy.I mean I definitely can agree with that, it's just that guys like Gallo get blasted for being a three true outcomes player when they don't really have a choice either way. Gallo gets abused on social media daily when Adam Dunn was the same player 15 years ago with not even a fraction of the defensive value Gallo provides. I'm definitely not anti-shift(Ted Williams got a shift when he played), but the shift has gone a tad too far IMO. 15 years ago there were maybe 20 players in the whole league that got a shift. Its every at-bat now
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@poksey_mlbts said in CBA progress:
They better not ban the shift. Straight up taking the cowardly way out.
How is banning the shift a "cowardly way out"? I am all for [restricting] the shift, it rewards athleticism for the position and makes the game more entertaining (ie. The Wiz). Noboby wants to see the ball hit to a wall of 5-6 defenders multiple times a game... boring.
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When the shift starts causing offense numbers to drop down to 1968 level, then we will talk. Even with shift, there is more than enough offense right now.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
@hustlinowl_psn said in CBA progress:
90 minute meeting. No proposals. Talked about banning the shift. So another wasted day.
Banning the shift is stupid, Guys need to learn how to hit the other way that is how you stop the shift
An outright ban would be stupid but I don’t think it’s ridiculous to put some kind of limits on the shift.
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I don’t mind it but I don’t like 4 people in right field stuff like that.
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@xelrojo44x_mlbts said in CBA progress:
@poksey_mlbts said in CBA progress:
They better not ban the shift. Straight up taking the cowardly way out.
How is banning the shift a "cowardly way out"? I am all for [restricting] the shift, it rewards athleticism for the position and makes the game more entertaining (ie. The Wiz). Noboby wants to see the ball hit to a wall of 5-6 defenders multiple times a game... boring.
I mentioned this earlier. It's similar to when the NBA decided to make zone defenses illegal, because it was leading to low scoring games. They ended up allowing it again because players and teams found ways to exploit the zone defense , mostly shooting over it, or having big men get better at passing, especially from the foul line area.
The shift is similar. There are inherent disadvantages to the shift. It leaves large areas open. Instead of taking advantages of those gaps, the more desired route has been attempting to go over the shift. It wouldnt be boring if players used the created gaps, rather than strictly focus on launch angles over the reinforced areas, with contact being deemed largely irrelevant.
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@poksey_mlbts said in CBA progress:
@xelrojo44x_mlbts said in CBA progress:
@poksey_mlbts said in CBA progress:
They better not ban the shift. Straight up taking the cowardly way out.
How is banning the shift a "cowardly way out"? I am all for [restricting] the shift, it rewards athleticism for the position and makes the game more entertaining (ie. The Wiz). Noboby wants to see the ball hit to a wall of 5-6 defenders multiple times a game... boring.
I mentioned this earlier. It's similar to when the NBA decided to make zone defenses illegal, because it was leading to low scoring games. They ended up allowing it again because players and teams found ways to exploit the zone defense , mostly shooting over it, or having big men get better at passing, especially from the foul line area.
The shift is similar. There are inherent disadvantages to the shift. It leaves large areas open. Instead of taking advantages of those gaps, the more desired route has been attempting to go over the shift. It wouldnt be boring if players used the created gaps, rather than strictly focus on launch angles over the reinforced areas, with contact being deemed largely irrelevant.
I get the argument about hitting where the defense isn’t. But guys don’t become dead pull hitters because they just don’t feel like hitting to all fields. If it was so easy to just hit against the shift, guys like Joey Gallo would surely do that.
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@dewrock_psn said in CBA progress:
@poksey_mlbts said in CBA progress:
@xelrojo44x_mlbts said in CBA progress:
@poksey_mlbts said in CBA progress:
They better not ban the shift. Straight up taking the cowardly way out.
How is banning the shift a "cowardly way out"? I am all for [restricting] the shift, it rewards athleticism for the position and makes the game more entertaining (ie. The Wiz). Noboby wants to see the ball hit to a wall of 5-6 defenders multiple times a game... boring.
I mentioned this earlier. It's similar to when the NBA decided to make zone defenses illegal, because it was leading to low scoring games. They ended up allowing it again because players and teams found ways to exploit the zone defense , mostly shooting over it, or having big men get better at passing, especially from the foul line area.
The shift is similar. There are inherent disadvantages to the shift. It leaves large areas open. Instead of taking advantages of those gaps, the more desired route has been attempting to go over the shift. It wouldnt be boring if players used the created gaps, rather than strictly focus on launch angles over the reinforced areas, with contact being deemed largely irrelevant.
I get the argument about hitting where the defense isn’t. But guys don’t become dead pull hitters because they just don’t feel like hitting to all fields. If it was so easy to just hit against the shift, guys like Joey Gallo would surely do that.
But that's the point isnt it? The shift is played because of a batters tendencies. They are positioning defenders for the maximum chances for outs. It would be insane to ban that just because some players cant adjust their swing. It would be like changing the rules when everyone was doing the Hack-a-Shaq because he couldnt hit free throws. The NBA realized it would be dumb to change the rules for players that are inadequate at certain things, rather than make the player adjust, or get better at what they are inadequate at.
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@poksey_mlbts said in CBA progress:
A positional restriction is a gimmick. It is like when the NBA tried to eliminate zone defense.
Lol, Zone defense is still pretty new to the NBA. Most of their existence they didnt have it. Illegal defense was called all the time if you were just standing somewhere not guarding anyone. Definitely made the scoring go up since they introduced the Zone.
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By the way here is a video of the "Ted Williams Shift" including video of him <be prepared here> bunting to beat the shift.
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