The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?

SDS

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

Royals? Just my guess. I think baseball has it's issues but I agree, it doesn't need saving, just some attention.

SDS

The man with half an asss speaks truth.

Also Royals were at 122m. About league average. You have to go back to 2003 to find a team with a bottom 5 payroll and that was the Marlins.

SDS

He was probably referencing the Rays who made the WS 2 years ago and didn’t win as a bottom 5 payroll team

SDS

@halfbutt_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

I, for one, was around in ‘94 the last time this happened. If you guys don’t think the owners are willing to let this carry on into the season in order to get the player’s association to agree to their terms, I urge you to remember the Montreal Expos had the best record in baseball by a mile that year and never got a chance to go to the postseason.

In other words, I don’t think the owners care, and Mr. Manfred’s actions seem to reflect that. It’s very sad.

I feel like the owners are against Manfred primarily because he made all those rule changes in 2020. I'm sure there were things said between him and the owners that made negotiations to begin the season that year fall apart until July. Pitchers don't like him because of the sticky crackdown and the juiced baseballs. Atlanta, I'm sure, doesn't like him because of all the money the city lost from the All-Star game. I don't really know the minds of the owners, but I don't like Manfred at all, and I believe that the owners don't like him either.

SDS

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

The man with half an asss speaks truth.

Also Royals were at 122m. About league average. You have to go back to 2003 to find a team with a bottom 5 payroll and that was the Marlins.

Revenues != Payroll

SDS

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

The man with half an asss speaks truth.

Also Royals were at 122m. About league average. You have to go back to 2003 to find a team with a bottom 5 payroll and that was the Marlins.

Revenues != Payroll

I don't know what != means...

SDS

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

The man with half an asss speaks truth.

Also Royals were at 122m. About league average. You have to go back to 2003 to find a team with a bottom 5 payroll and that was the Marlins.

Revenues != Payroll

I don't know what != means...

Math, dude. Does not equal.

SDS

@dcmo3_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

The man with half an asss speaks truth.

Also Royals were at 122m. About league average. You have to go back to 2003 to find a team with a bottom 5 payroll and that was the Marlins.

Revenues != Payroll

I don't know what != means...

Math, dude. Does not equal.

I'm a stooge not a mathematician.

SDS

Supposedly they are supposed to be meeting soon. I always side with the players in these arguments. As much as people like to throw shade at athletes for making X amount of money for playing a game while the owners make significantly more while the athletes are out there doing the work and risking their bodies.

As much as I have been against the DH in the NL at this point I think it might be best for the players. Extend guys careers, add more teams to lists of suitors for guys without a position etc.

SDS

I am not sure that I side with either side honestly. I mean I will side with the minor leaguers somewhat but Otherwise, with the minimum MLB salary over a half a million dollars, it is just the rich vs the richer.

If the players get more and the owners get less of the overall pie then the owners will just raise ticket prices and concession prices, making attending a ballgame even more of a luxury for an average family. The real losers in all of this will most likely be the fans.

SDS

@dolenz_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

I am not sure that I side with either side honestly. I mean I will side with the minor leaguers somewhat but Otherwise, with the minimum MLB salary over a half a million dollars, it is just the rich vs the richer.

If the players get more and the owners get less of the overall pie then the owners will just raise ticket prices and concession prices, making attending a ballgame even more of a luxury for an average family. The real losers in all of this will most likely be the fans.

Fans are always the losers in these lol

SDS

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

Wait which team was bottom 5?

Kansas City maybe. That's a guess on my part

SDS

@samguenther1987 said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

Wait which team was bottom 5?

Kansas City maybe. That's a guess on my part

They were league average

SDS

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

I find myself frustrated by the sheer lack of news regarding MLB-MLBPA negotiations during the lockout. All of baseball news has gone dark and I’m not getting any news at all.

So are they even trying? Especially MLB, is MLB even trying? Manfred cares nothing about baseball as far as I can tell (he just fired Rosenthal for criticizing him, or in other words, doing his job as a reporter), so I don’t see him in any hurry to get anything done.

My concern is, one, we won’t have a season.
My other concern is how this would affect this year’s game.

Thoughts?

I see 2 options for SDS if the lockout continues.

1.) Keep building and updating on 2021

Or

2.) Release 2022 in March like they usually do and just update rosters when the lockout ends.

I suspect option 1 isn't really an option because there likely isn't much financial reward there.

Either way new content be coming in the spring.

SDS

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@samguenther1987 said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

Wait which team was bottom 5?

Kansas City maybe. That's a guess on my part

They were league average

Farris said bottom 5 revenues, not payroll. That being said I am not sure which team fits that bill but Royals would be a good guess for that too.

SDS

@ncstatehokie_mlbts said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@samguenther1987 said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

Wait which team was bottom 5?

Kansas City maybe. That's a guess on my part

They were league average

Farris said bottom 5 revenues, not payroll. That being said I am not sure which team fits that bill but Royals would be a good guess for that too.

I apparently can't read either. Lol

SDS

Curly is my spirit animal.

SDS

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

Curly is my spirit animal.

UPDATE: MLB is scheduled to make a new core economics proposal to the MLBPA.

SDS

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

Curly is my spirit animal.

UPDATE: MLB is scheduled to make a new core economics proposal to the MLBPA.

I'm happy they've started. I know nothing is happening with the CBA, but nothing happening with the CBA is better than nothing at all.