The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?
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@jtownelite_x814x_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@guccigangchuck said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ladyswampfox_xbl said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I find myself frustrated by the sheer lack of news regarding MLB-MLBPA negotiations during the lockout. All of baseball news has gone dark and I’m not getting any news at all.
So are they even trying? Especially MLB, is MLB even trying? Manfred cares nothing about baseball as far as I can tell (he just fired Rosenthal for criticizing him, or in other words, doing his job as a reporter), so I don’t see him in any hurry to get anything done.
My concern is, one, we won’t have a season.
My other concern is how this would affect this year’s game.Thoughts?
will do nothing to this years game. Game has a different license with MLB
Are you sure about that? If players aren't signed can they still put their likeness into a game?
100 percent positive the CBA and MLB the show have a different licsense. The game will come out at the same time, kinda like the covid year.
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@ladyswampfox_xbl said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I find myself frustrated by the sheer lack of news regarding MLB-MLBPA negotiations during the lockout. All of baseball news has gone dark and I’m not getting any news at all.
It'll be that way right up until it isn't. That's how negotiations work.
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@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@raesone_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@raesone_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I don't like Manfred either, but to say he's not in any hurry to get anything done doesn't make sense. He's the commissioner, he gets paid to make sure baseball operations run smoothly. A lockout is the exact opposite of that.
This is why Manfred is disliked. There is no deadline, there have been no discussions and thats coming directly from players on the board for the MLBPA. They had all season to negotiate this, and never did, they've had all postseason to negotiate, they could have rolled into the new CBA when the old one expired.
Instead the owners said "Nah we are gonna take a vacation, [censored] you guys".
Of course they have deadlines. Spring training preparations, training camps and eventually Opening Day. There's plenty of time left and both sides are just playing chicken until those dates come uncomfortably close.
There is no official deadline. Spring Training and Opening Day are technically, but officially there is no designated date to get stuff done.
Official or not, what does it matter? They are dates marked on every baseball related calendar.
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@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@raesone_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I don't like Manfred either, but to say he's not in any hurry to get anything done doesn't make sense. He's the commissioner, he gets paid to make sure baseball operations run smoothly. A lockout is the exact opposite of that.
This is why Manfred is disliked. There is no deadline, there have been no discussions and thats coming directly from players on the board for the MLBPA. They had all season to negotiate this, and never did, they've had all postseason to negotiate, they could have rolled into the new CBA when the old one expired.
Instead the owners said "Nah we are gonna take a vacation, [censored] you guys".
I don't believe that. I view it more as a game of chicken with each side waiting to see who blinks first. To say the owners want to take a vacation is just wrong in my opinion. They want to make money. They don't want to have expenses with no revenue.
On a selfish side, as a Cardinals fan, I hope we get a full season. Why? Because if Wainwright and Molina both stay healthy they have the opportunity to set the MLB record for most games as a battery in MLB history. A record that will be one of those that is unlikely to be broken again. They need 20 starts together to earn the record.
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@dolenz_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@raesone_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I don't like Manfred either, but to say he's not in any hurry to get anything done doesn't make sense. He's the commissioner, he gets paid to make sure baseball operations run smoothly. A lockout is the exact opposite of that.
This is why Manfred is disliked. There is no deadline, there have been no discussions and thats coming directly from players on the board for the MLBPA. They had all season to negotiate this, and never did, they've had all postseason to negotiate, they could have rolled into the new CBA when the old one expired.
Instead the owners said "Nah we are gonna take a vacation, [censored] you guys".
I don't believe that. I view it more as a game of chicken with each side waiting to see who blinks first. To say the owners want to take a vacation is just wrong in my opinion. They want to make money. They don't want to have expenses with no revenue.
On a selfish side, as a Cardinals fan, I hope we get a full season. Why? Because if Wainwright and Molina both stay healthy they have the opportunity to set the MLB record for most games as a battery in MLB history. A record that will be one of those that is unlikely to be broken again. They need 20 starts together to earn the record.
Except we saw that to be false with the 2020 season. Initially I thought the owners would be pushing to get the season started soon as possible because of the, and I quote, "massive losses in revenue" due to 2020. If anything i think their losses were minimal because they didn't have to deal with vendors, they didn't have to pay players salaries, and they would still profit off of merchandise. Sure they lost on ticket sales, but their majority revenue is from TV deals anyway, Oaklamd and Tampa probably [censored] loved it since their ticket sales are bottom tier anyway.
Basically I think the owners will use the season itself and hold it hostage until they get what they want. The typical negotiation tactic is to wait until the last minute to throw any real negotiations on the table, at that point you have little to no options without repercussions. They did this in 2020 by throwing out bs after bs offer and then offered the same deal when it was the last ditch effort to actually have a season and the MLBPA was forced to accept it.
Whats more is players will decline on the eve of spring training and then the MLB will put fault on the MLBPA to make them look like they're the reason the season isn't starting.
At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
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@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@dolenz_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@raesone_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I don't like Manfred either, but to say he's not in any hurry to get anything done doesn't make sense. He's the commissioner, he gets paid to make sure baseball operations run smoothly. A lockout is the exact opposite of that.
This is why Manfred is disliked. There is no deadline, there have been no discussions and thats coming directly from players on the board for the MLBPA. They had all season to negotiate this, and never did, they've had all postseason to negotiate, they could have rolled into the new CBA when the old one expired.
Instead the owners said "Nah we are gonna take a vacation, [censored] you guys".
I don't believe that. I view it more as a game of chicken with each side waiting to see who blinks first. To say the owners want to take a vacation is just wrong in my opinion. They want to make money. They don't want to have expenses with no revenue.
On a selfish side, as a Cardinals fan, I hope we get a full season. Why? Because if Wainwright and Molina both stay healthy they have the opportunity to set the MLB record for most games as a battery in MLB history. A record that will be one of those that is unlikely to be broken again. They need 20 starts together to earn the record.
Except we saw that to be false with the 2020 season. Initially I thought the owners would be pushing to get the season started soon as possible because of the, and I quote, "massive losses in revenue" due to 2020. If anything i think their losses were minimal because they didn't have to deal with vendors, they didn't have to pay players salaries, and they would still profit off of merchandise. Sure they lost on ticket sales, but their majority revenue is from TV deals anyway, Oaklamd and Tampa probably [censored] loved it since their ticket sales are bottom tier anyway.
Basically I think the owners will use the season itself and hold it hostage until they get what they want. The typical negotiation tactic is to wait until the last minute to throw any real negotiations on the table, at that point you have little to no options without repercussions. They did this in 2020 by throwing out bs after bs offer and then offered the same deal when it was the last ditch effort to actually have a season and the MLBPA was forced to accept it.
Whats more is players will decline on the eve of spring training and then the MLB will put fault on the MLBPA to make them look like they're the reason the season isn't starting.
At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
I don’t see a salary cap happening. Teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, and the Dodgers won’t let it happen.
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@raylewissb47_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@dolenz_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@raesone_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I don't like Manfred either, but to say he's not in any hurry to get anything done doesn't make sense. He's the commissioner, he gets paid to make sure baseball operations run smoothly. A lockout is the exact opposite of that.
This is why Manfred is disliked. There is no deadline, there have been no discussions and thats coming directly from players on the board for the MLBPA. They had all season to negotiate this, and never did, they've had all postseason to negotiate, they could have rolled into the new CBA when the old one expired.
Instead the owners said "Nah we are gonna take a vacation, [censored] you guys".
I don't believe that. I view it more as a game of chicken with each side waiting to see who blinks first. To say the owners want to take a vacation is just wrong in my opinion. They want to make money. They don't want to have expenses with no revenue.
On a selfish side, as a Cardinals fan, I hope we get a full season. Why? Because if Wainwright and Molina both stay healthy they have the opportunity to set the MLB record for most games as a battery in MLB history. A record that will be one of those that is unlikely to be broken again. They need 20 starts together to earn the record.
Except we saw that to be false with the 2020 season. Initially I thought the owners would be pushing to get the season started soon as possible because of the, and I quote, "massive losses in revenue" due to 2020. If anything i think their losses were minimal because they didn't have to deal with vendors, they didn't have to pay players salaries, and they would still profit off of merchandise. Sure they lost on ticket sales, but their majority revenue is from TV deals anyway, Oaklamd and Tampa probably [censored] loved it since their ticket sales are bottom tier anyway.
Basically I think the owners will use the season itself and hold it hostage until they get what they want. The typical negotiation tactic is to wait until the last minute to throw any real negotiations on the table, at that point you have little to no options without repercussions. They did this in 2020 by throwing out bs after bs offer and then offered the same deal when it was the last ditch effort to actually have a season and the MLBPA was forced to accept it.
Whats more is players will decline on the eve of spring training and then the MLB will put fault on the MLBPA to make them look like they're the reason the season isn't starting.
At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
I don’t see a salary cap happening. Teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, and the Dodgers won’t let it happen.
How come if you don't mind my asking? At this stage it benefits everyone.
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@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@raylewissb47_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@dolenz_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@raesone_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I don't like Manfred either, but to say he's not in any hurry to get anything done doesn't make sense. He's the commissioner, he gets paid to make sure baseball operations run smoothly. A lockout is the exact opposite of that.
This is why Manfred is disliked. There is no deadline, there have been no discussions and thats coming directly from players on the board for the MLBPA. They had all season to negotiate this, and never did, they've had all postseason to negotiate, they could have rolled into the new CBA when the old one expired.
Instead the owners said "Nah we are gonna take a vacation, [censored] you guys".
I don't believe that. I view it more as a game of chicken with each side waiting to see who blinks first. To say the owners want to take a vacation is just wrong in my opinion. They want to make money. They don't want to have expenses with no revenue.
On a selfish side, as a Cardinals fan, I hope we get a full season. Why? Because if Wainwright and Molina both stay healthy they have the opportunity to set the MLB record for most games as a battery in MLB history. A record that will be one of those that is unlikely to be broken again. They need 20 starts together to earn the record.
Except we saw that to be false with the 2020 season. Initially I thought the owners would be pushing to get the season started soon as possible because of the, and I quote, "massive losses in revenue" due to 2020. If anything i think their losses were minimal because they didn't have to deal with vendors, they didn't have to pay players salaries, and they would still profit off of merchandise. Sure they lost on ticket sales, but their majority revenue is from TV deals anyway, Oaklamd and Tampa probably [censored] loved it since their ticket sales are bottom tier anyway.
Basically I think the owners will use the season itself and hold it hostage until they get what they want. The typical negotiation tactic is to wait until the last minute to throw any real negotiations on the table, at that point you have little to no options without repercussions. They did this in 2020 by throwing out bs after bs offer and then offered the same deal when it was the last ditch effort to actually have a season and the MLBPA was forced to accept it.
Whats more is players will decline on the eve of spring training and then the MLB will put fault on the MLBPA to make them look like they're the reason the season isn't starting.
At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
I don’t see a salary cap happening. Teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, and the Dodgers won’t let it happen.
How come if you don't mind my asking? At this stage it benefits everyone.
I don’t see big market teams giving up their advantage. I would personally line it to happen along with a spending floor. I can also see the players not wanting to hinder their future earning potential when they hit free agency.
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I think you have it backwards. I think larger teams are more in favor of a salary cap because then the luxury tax would disappear. Smaller teams would then be forced to carry a salary they're already under.
So the luxury tax right now is 210m. If we enact a salary cap of 210m with the deal being that it increases by 2-4% each year, does nothing but benefit them, so I think the bigger teams are 100% in favor of a salary cap. Teams can be given an exemption during the transition so long as they bring it down to the salary cap level within 4 years which by then would be close to 225m.
The smaller owners like the Guardians and their paltry 29m roster salary, would be forced to spend upwards of 80m (80m being the floor) on their rosters and inevitably field better talent or at the least pay their players better.
With this the larger owners have the advantage still, but the smaller owners would be more willing to sign the veterans who can make impacts opposed to having nothing but young cheap talent.
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At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
Baseball doesn’t need saving.
Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.
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@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I think you have it backwards. I think larger teams are more in favor of a salary cap because then the luxury tax would disappear. Smaller teams would then be forced to carry a salary they're already under.
So the luxury tax right now is 210m. If we enact a salary cap of 210m with the deal being that it increases by 2-4% each year, does nothing but benefit them, so I think the bigger teams are 100% in favor of a salary cap. Teams can be given an exemption during the transition so long as they bring it down to the salary cap level within 4 years which by then would be close to 225m.
The smaller owners like the Guardians and their paltry 29m roster salary, would be forced to spend upwards of 80m (80m being the floor) on their rosters and inevitably field better talent or at the least pay their players better.
With this the larger owners have the advantage still, but the smaller owners would be more willing to sign the veterans who can make impacts opposed to having nothing but young cheap talent.
I just don’t see that being much of a benefit for the game. Big market teams will basically be able to continue to spend as they do now. I could be way off base on those but I would rather see a cap of say $180 million as a cap with a salary floor of somewhere between $75-$100 million (this is just a blind throw at giving a number for the sake of an argument. Now something the NFL does is a team has to spend so much every so many years (I believe it’s every five years). I also believe the NFL also offers teams the ability to carry unused cap space to the next year but there would be a max amount you can carry over and it’s only good for the following year or spread out over a two or three year period.
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@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
Baseball doesn’t need saving.
Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.
You can't deny its bad for the sport when teams are intentionally tanking year in and year out. Baseball needs saving.
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@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@jtownelite_x814x_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@guccigangchuck said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ladyswampfox_xbl said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I find myself frustrated by the sheer lack of news regarding MLB-MLBPA negotiations during the lockout. All of baseball news has gone dark and I’m not getting any news at all.
So are they even trying? Especially MLB, is MLB even trying? Manfred cares nothing about baseball as far as I can tell (he just fired Rosenthal for criticizing him, or in other words, doing his job as a reporter), so I don’t see him in any hurry to get anything done.
My concern is, one, we won’t have a season.
My other concern is how this would affect this year’s game.Thoughts?
will do nothing to this years game. Game has a different license with MLB
Are you sure about that? If players aren't signed can they still put their likeness into a game?
SDS has licenses with both MLB and MLBPA. Also correct we wouldn't see any IE, updates and possibly any new TN cards. Topps like SDS is a separate entity and can generate cards of the players with the team logos and such.
Ok, but if SDS has a contract with Topps to use those player likenesses for their digital cards; us that contract still active even though Topps sold their company to Fanatics?
Wouldn't SDS have to set up a contract with Fanatics?
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@jtownelite_x814x_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@jtownelite_x814x_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@guccigangchuck said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ladyswampfox_xbl said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
I find myself frustrated by the sheer lack of news regarding MLB-MLBPA negotiations during the lockout. All of baseball news has gone dark and I’m not getting any news at all.
So are they even trying? Especially MLB, is MLB even trying? Manfred cares nothing about baseball as far as I can tell (he just fired Rosenthal for criticizing him, or in other words, doing his job as a reporter), so I don’t see him in any hurry to get anything done.
My concern is, one, we won’t have a season.
My other concern is how this would affect this year’s game.Thoughts?
will do nothing to this years game. Game has a different license with MLB
Are you sure about that? If players aren't signed can they still put their likeness into a game?
SDS has licenses with both MLB and MLBPA. Also correct we wouldn't see any IE, updates and possibly any new TN cards. Topps like SDS is a separate entity and can generate cards of the players with the team logos and such.
Ok, but if SDS has a contract with Topps to use those player likenesses for their digital cards; us that contract still active even though Topps sold their company to Fanatics?
Wouldn't SDS have to set up a contract with Fanatics?
I'm not 100% sure about that, interesting question.
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@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
Baseball doesn’t need saving.
Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.
You can't deny its bad for the sport when teams are intentionally tanking year in and year out. Baseball needs saving.
And this is why there needs to be a floor and something to disincentivize tanking. How many years were the Astros the laughing stock of baseball before they won the World Series? I’m watching the O’s tank hard now and it sucks.
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@raylewissb47_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
Baseball doesn’t need saving.
Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.
You can't deny its bad for the sport when teams are intentionally tanking year in and year out. Baseball needs saving.
And this is why there needs to be a floor and something to disincentivize tanking. How many years were the Astros the laughing stock of baseball before they won the World Series? I’m watching the O’s tank hard now and it sucks.
I really like the idea of teams who just miss the WC getting the 1-4 picks in the draft. They also need to fix revenue sharing.
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@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@raylewissb47_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
Baseball doesn’t need saving.
Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.
You can't deny its bad for the sport when teams are intentionally tanking year in and year out. Baseball needs saving.
And this is why there needs to be a floor and something to disincentivize tanking. How many years were the Astros the laughing stock of baseball before they won the World Series? I’m watching the O’s tank hard now and it sucks.
I really like the idea of teams who just miss the WC getting the 1-4 picks in the draft. They also need to fix revenue sharing.
Fixing revenue sharing is pretty high on my list of stuff I want them to change. Its the main reason for blackouts. I would gladly pay the price of MLB TV if I could watch my own [censored] team
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@the_dragon1912 said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@raylewissb47_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
Baseball doesn’t need saving.
Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.
You can't deny its bad for the sport when teams are intentionally tanking year in and year out. Baseball needs saving.
And this is why there needs to be a floor and something to disincentivize tanking. How many years were the Astros the laughing stock of baseball before they won the World Series? I’m watching the O’s tank hard now and it sucks.
I really like the idea of teams who just miss the WC getting the 1-4 picks in the draft. They also need to fix revenue sharing.
Fixing revenue sharing is pretty high on my list of stuff I want them to change. Its the main reason for blackouts. I would gladly pay the price of MLB TV if I could watch my own [censored] team
Same. Instead I stream everything illegally and have for half a decade
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@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:
At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.
Baseball doesn’t need saving.
Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.
Excellent point, although I would personally prefer a salary cap as well.
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They also need to fix revenue sharing.
Now THIS, I can get behind. For the longest time, St Louis was paying revenue sharing and Philly was receiving revenue sharing, which was just the dumbest system ever invented.
