Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?
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@lewisnadasurf1_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@suntlacrimae50_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@bigredgaming455_xbl said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
I don’t understand how they keep dropping him down lower especially since he hasn’t recorded a loss in his last 15 games . How does that deserve a downgrade
What's so hard to understand about WIN-LOSS RECORD NOT FACTORING INTO ATTRIBUTES?!
It's based on h/9, k/9, hr/9, w/9, etc., and skews heavily towards h/9 and k/9 (I think).
Ultimately it's SDS's secret sauce, sort of like the Harvard admissions formula. Maybe we can sue to get them to reveal the formula, like what happened to Harvard...?
I could pitch and have an ERA of 16.34 but have Bonds, Ortiz, Chipper in front of me and we win every game 20-15. That’s why.
Uh, WHAT?
My post was in response to a guy wondering why Hendricks's rating is going down despite his record.
Your post has nothing to do with that. At all.
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@bigredgaming455_xbl said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
He is having a solid year . I was just pointing out he hasn’t lost a game in last 15 starts. He has decent stats this season and was a snub for the allstar game. No reason he should be downgraded. I’m not saying he needs upgrades but he is having a decent season
I think his problem is the same as Alex Reyes. He gets the job done but not in the most effective manner, nor in a way that translates to the standard SDS pitcher ratings.
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
You said, "Pitcher's don't win games". If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
It's really not that hard to understand dog.
I think the team that scores more runs wins the game. I’ve never seen a team score a run while their pitcher is on the mound.
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@turtleopolis_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
You said, "Pitcher's don't win games". If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
It's really not that hard to understand dog.
I think the team that scores more runs wins the game. I’ve never seen a team score a run while their pitcher is on the mound.
Part of scoring more runs than your opponent is limiting the runs they score. You’re implying that a pitcher isn’t a huge contributor in a win
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
You said, "Pitcher's don't win games". If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
It's really not that hard to understand dog.
So who scored the run? pitcher or hitter?
Gotta love people who don’t think before speaking!!!
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@bigredgaming455_xbl said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
He is having a solid year . I was just pointing out he hasn’t lost a game in last 15 starts. He has decent stats this season and was a snub for the allstar game. No reason he should be downgraded. I’m not saying he needs upgrades but he is having a decent season
I’m pretty sure he was lit up by Braves twice back in May
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Look at his stats since middle may , worthy of upgrading not downgrading . If you knew anything about his season , he has been absolutely solid since then
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
For argument's sake, they still had to score runs. Now if he had shut them out and hit a solo dinger then yes he and he alone won the game.
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@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games. Teams do. There is no attribute that looks at pitchers W/L. A pitcher with a 5-15 record and a 2.25 ERA is a WAY better pitcher than a pitcher with a 15-5 record and a 3.50 ERA (ask deGrom in years past).
Also I think Hendricks leads the league in the most hits given up. Thats not a good thing.
"Pitcher's don't win games".......LOL
Nope! They put themselves in position to win if they pitch well, but you can pitch your [censored] off and still lose.
Yeap, You can throw a no hitter and lose.
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
Someone had to score to give him and the Cubs the W, I am sure the defense made some plays. The team won that game, the pitcher of record gets the win.
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@poksey_mlbts said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Your rationale is old school thinking. It's what got Bob Welch a Cy Young award in 1990 instead of Roger Clemens. Welch won because he led the league in wins with a 27-6 record. Clemens was 21-6, but had a 10.4 WAR vs 2.9 for Welch. Clemens roasted him in every category except for wins. It means the Rocket was a MUCH better pitcher than Bob Welch that season, even though the CY voting didnt reflect that.
They also did not use WAR back then
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@hikes83_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Time for my favourite Bill Murray quote:
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's [censored] near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
Maybe its just fanboi talk. And given what happened to the Cubs this week, Ill forgive him lol. I went through that with my Rockets recently.
You wrote something stupid and I pointed it out. Simple as that. Don't over analyze this one
Does'nt the team have score at least 1 run and play defense so the pitcher gets credited the W, but in the standings it does not list all the pitchers records it list the teams Record. So who wins the games? Not that hard to understand.
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edit for purpose of not realizing that was 5 pages ago. My bad
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
Literally the only way you can say a pitcher won the game entirely themselves is if they hit a solo hr, and strikeout all 27 in a perfect game. Even then you can potentially credit the catcher for not dropping any third strikes and potentially calling a good game
As for your example Rizzo hit a hr with 3rbis. One can easily say he won it because that's what gave them the lead and allowed Hendriks to finish the game with a comfortable lead
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@poksey_mlbts said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Your rationale is old school thinking. It's what got Bob Welch a Cy Young award in 1990 instead of Roger Clemens. Welch won because he led the league in wins with a 27-6 record. Clemens was 21-6, but had a 10.4 WAR vs 2.9 for Welch. Clemens roasted him in every category except for wins. It means the Rocket was a MUCH better pitcher than Bob Welch that season, even though the CY voting didnt reflect that.
They also did not use WAR back then
True, but they had all the other stats. ERA, WHIP, Ks, H/9, K/9, HR allowed, BB, CG, SO, and every category went to Clemens.
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Hendricks is not that good imo. Wins mean nothing anymore. Also, lets say hypothetically he got upgraded 3 points even, would anyone use him? No.
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@poksey_mlbts said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@poksey_mlbts said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Your rationale is old school thinking. It's what got Bob Welch a Cy Young award in 1990 instead of Roger Clemens. Welch won because he led the league in wins with a 27-6 record. Clemens was 21-6, but had a 10.4 WAR vs 2.9 for Welch. Clemens roasted him in every category except for wins. It means the Rocket was a MUCH better pitcher than Bob Welch that season, even though the CY voting didnt reflect that.
They also did not use WAR back then
True, but they had all the other stats. ERA, WHIP, Ks, H/9, K/9, HR allowed, BB, CG, SO, and every category went to Clemens.
I agree with you, They only really looked at W, ERA and K's maybe CG OR IP. I do think being a a winning team back then matter.
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This entire thread is filled with people dug in on one side or the other, unwilling to concede anything (e.g., "Wins mean nothing anymore").
Try this: "True, I'll give you that. However, ..."
Then this thread can die the death it so richly deserves.
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dont worry he wont be leading the league in wins for long with that skeleton crew of a lineup the cubs have now
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