Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?
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@dewrock_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@snowninja_mlbts said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
138 hits (only 3.7 ERA) and still has 13 wins and only 4 losses? What does that tell you!? Pitching clutch much? Now if you cant agree he should go up, tell how he is going down and Alzolay is higher rated. The should at least switch the two.
He's given up more hits than innings pitched. His team averags almost 5.5 runs per game for him. He's not even top ten in any category except for Wins and Starts. We can quibble over what his ranking should be on DD but pointing at his win totals isn't the way to do it.
Quality starts? 16 is 2nd in the entire MLB.
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@lewisnadasurf1_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
As much as I agree what OP said that pitchers win you games. Ultimately. You can have a perfect game every game but still need the team to put up a run. So. They’re right, it’s a team thing for Win/Loss
That is where the quality starts category comes into play. A stat used to measure whether you put your team in a position to win or not by pitching at least 6 innings and giving up 3 runs or less.
From mlb.com glossary: A starting pitcher records a quality start when he pitches at least six innings and allows three earned runs or fewer. A starting pitcher has two jobs: to prevent runs and get outs. The quality start statistic helps to quantify which pitchers did a "quality" job in those two departments. As I said above. Hendricks is 2nd in the MLB with 16 QS -
Hendricks is my guy, and I'm going to use him regardless. I would have like a POTM card for June, but no dice. I'm just getting aggravated that they keep on lowering him. It really is bogus considering there is no reason for it with how well he is pitching. They have lowered him 3 times now this year? GTFO. Give him back his original 79 rating.
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I don’t understand how they keep dropping him down lower especially since he hasn’t recorded a loss in his last 15 games . How does that deserve a downgrade
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@bigredgaming455_xbl said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
I don’t understand how they keep dropping him down lower especially since he hasn’t recorded a loss in his last 15 games . How does that deserve a downgrade
What's so hard to understand about WIN-LOSS RECORD NOT FACTORING INTO ATTRIBUTES?!
It's based on h/9, k/9, hr/9, w/9, etc., and skews heavily towards h/9 and k/9 (I think).
Ultimately it's SDS's secret sauce, sort of like the Harvard admissions formula. Maybe we can sue to get them to reveal the formula, like what happened to Harvard...?
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@suntlacrimae50_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@bigredgaming455_xbl said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
I don’t understand how they keep dropping him down lower especially since he hasn’t recorded a loss in his last 15 games . How does that deserve a downgrade
What's so hard to understand about WIN-LOSS RECORD NOT FACTORING INTO ATTRIBUTES?!
It's based on h/9, k/9, hr/9, w/9, etc., and skews heavily towards h/9 and k/9 (I think).
Ultimately it's SDS's secret sauce, sort of like the Harvard admissions formula. Maybe we can sue to get them to reveal the formula, like what happened to Harvard...?
I could pitch and have an ERA of 16.34 but have Bonds, Ortiz, Chipper in front of me and we win every game 20-15. That’s why.
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@snowninja_mlbts said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@dewrock_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@snowninja_mlbts said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
138 hits (only 3.7 ERA) and still has 13 wins and only 4 losses? What does that tell you!? Pitching clutch much? Now if you cant agree he should go up, tell how he is going down and Alzolay is higher rated. The should at least switch the two.
He's given up more hits than innings pitched. His team averags almost 5.5 runs per game for him. He's not even top ten in any category except for Wins and Starts. We can quibble over what his ranking should be on DD but pointing at his win totals isn't the way to do it.
Quality starts? 16 is 2nd in the entire MLB.
Quality starts? C’mon man. You might as well use fielding percentage to determine the best fielder.
While the better pitchers are going to have more quality starts(in general), it’s silly useless stat. It’s devoid of context.
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Have you ever put butter on a pop tart? It’s so fricken good
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He is having a solid year . I was just pointing out he hasn’t lost a game in last 15 starts. He has decent stats this season and was a snub for the allstar game. No reason he should be downgraded. I’m not saying he needs upgrades but he is having a decent season
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@lewisnadasurf1_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@suntlacrimae50_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@bigredgaming455_xbl said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
I don’t understand how they keep dropping him down lower especially since he hasn’t recorded a loss in his last 15 games . How does that deserve a downgrade
What's so hard to understand about WIN-LOSS RECORD NOT FACTORING INTO ATTRIBUTES?!
It's based on h/9, k/9, hr/9, w/9, etc., and skews heavily towards h/9 and k/9 (I think).
Ultimately it's SDS's secret sauce, sort of like the Harvard admissions formula. Maybe we can sue to get them to reveal the formula, like what happened to Harvard...?
I could pitch and have an ERA of 16.34 but have Bonds, Ortiz, Chipper in front of me and we win every game 20-15. That’s why.
Uh, WHAT?
My post was in response to a guy wondering why Hendricks's rating is going down despite his record.
Your post has nothing to do with that. At all.
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@bigredgaming455_xbl said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
He is having a solid year . I was just pointing out he hasn’t lost a game in last 15 starts. He has decent stats this season and was a snub for the allstar game. No reason he should be downgraded. I’m not saying he needs upgrades but he is having a decent season
I think his problem is the same as Alex Reyes. He gets the job done but not in the most effective manner, nor in a way that translates to the standard SDS pitcher ratings.
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
You said, "Pitcher's don't win games". If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
It's really not that hard to understand dog.
I think the team that scores more runs wins the game. I’ve never seen a team score a run while their pitcher is on the mound.
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@turtleopolis_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
You said, "Pitcher's don't win games". If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
It's really not that hard to understand dog.
I think the team that scores more runs wins the game. I’ve never seen a team score a run while their pitcher is on the mound.
Part of scoring more runs than your opponent is limiting the runs they score. You’re implying that a pitcher isn’t a huge contributor in a win
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
You said, "Pitcher's don't win games". If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
It's really not that hard to understand dog.
So who scored the run? pitcher or hitter?
Gotta love people who don’t think before speaking!!!
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@bigredgaming455_xbl said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
He is having a solid year . I was just pointing out he hasn’t lost a game in last 15 starts. He has decent stats this season and was a snub for the allstar game. No reason he should be downgraded. I’m not saying he needs upgrades but he is having a decent season
I’m pretty sure he was lit up by Braves twice back in May
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Look at his stats since middle may , worthy of upgrading not downgrading . If you knew anything about his season , he has been absolutely solid since then
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
For argument's sake, they still had to score runs. Now if he had shut them out and hit a solo dinger then yes he and he alone won the game.
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@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games. Teams do. There is no attribute that looks at pitchers W/L. A pitcher with a 5-15 record and a 2.25 ERA is a WAY better pitcher than a pitcher with a 15-5 record and a 3.50 ERA (ask deGrom in years past).
Also I think Hendricks leads the league in the most hits given up. Thats not a good thing.
"Pitcher's don't win games".......LOL
Nope! They put themselves in position to win if they pitch well, but you can pitch your [censored] off and still lose.
Yeap, You can throw a no hitter and lose.
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
Someone had to score to give him and the Cubs the W, I am sure the defense made some plays. The team won that game, the pitcher of record gets the win.
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@poksey_mlbts said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Your rationale is old school thinking. It's what got Bob Welch a Cy Young award in 1990 instead of Roger Clemens. Welch won because he led the league in wins with a 27-6 record. Clemens was 21-6, but had a 10.4 WAR vs 2.9 for Welch. Clemens roasted him in every category except for wins. It means the Rocket was a MUCH better pitcher than Bob Welch that season, even though the CY voting didnt reflect that.
They also did not use WAR back then
