Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...
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@Bizien10 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@raesONE said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
I don't think he has put up numbers like he did this year, did he? I could be wrong because I did not check his career stats before posting this comment, but this year he was in the MVP conversation while last year he wasn't even amongst the best hitters on the Yankees. And well, the Cardinals did get rid of him so I doubt he made much impact there.
He definitely didn't do anything with the Cardinals. Even when he first got to the Yankees he was in AAA for a bit. But since joining the Yankees he's played 213 games and gone .273/.372/.543 with 57 HR and 147 RBI with 6.3 bWAR. I'm not sure if he'll ever replicate what he did this season, but I do think he'll remain a very good hitter.
Fair enough, well time will tell if he can keep it up. I hope so for his sake and for Yankees fans.
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@eatyum said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@raesONE said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@Bizien10 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@raesONE said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
I honestly think Voit is a one year wonder. Arozarena way too early to tell.
Voit, when healthy, has pretty consistently put up these type of numbers since he joined the Yankees. I've been saying he's just a flash in the pan for three years and he just keeps proving me wrong. I'm sold at this point.
I don't think he has put up numbers like he did this year, did he? I could be wrong because I did not check his career stats before posting this comment, but this year he was in the MVP conversation while last year he wasn't even amongst the best hitters on the Yankees. And well, the Cardinals did get rid of him so I doubt he made much impact there.
in 2018, he had a 1.095 OPS for the Yankees in 39 games
In 2019, he had an injury that hampered him, but pre-injury he had a 140 wRC+
I remember when he was on the Cardinals. Brings back memories.
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Mozeliak and Girsch need to go. Also, our scouts are pretty awful at evaluating talent for offense.. Can't say the same for pitching. They've drafted well and developed alot in to the major leagues. No issues there.
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@aparks87 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
Also, our scouts are pretty awful at evaluating talent for offense.. Can't say the same for pitching. They've drafted well and developed alot in to the major leagues. No issues there.
The Cubs are the opposite. Bad at pitching, good at offense.
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@jz2016cubs said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@aparks87 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
Also, our scouts are pretty awful at evaluating talent for offense.. Can't say the same for pitching. They've drafted well and developed alot in to the major leagues. No issues there.
The Cubs are the opposite. Bad at pitching, good at offense.
In 2016 I would've agreed, now though not so much lol
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lets remember the yankees did give up Gallegos in the voit deal
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Voit was dealt because he is a poor defender and didn’t project well offensively for Busch III (or anywhere except Yankee Stadium). The Cards did get their best reliever (over last two years) in return.
Nothing Arozarena is doing is remotely sustainable. I’ve seen tons of guys in lifetime do well in first 100-200 major league at bats. He’s going to fall. Soon. And they got one of the best lefty arms in the minors in return. Even TB didn’t think he’d do this. It took lots of failing of the many guys ahead of him on depth chart to fail.
Mo is a top 5 exec in the league.
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@GrxxnLikeGator said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
Voit was dealt because he is a poor defender and didn’t project well offensively for Busch III (or anywhere except Yankee Stadium). The Cards did get their best reliever (over last two years) in return.
Nothing Arozarena is doing is remotely sustainable. I’ve seen tons of guys in lifetime do well in first 100-200 major league at bats. He’s going to fall. Soon. And they got one of the best lefty arms in the minors in return. Even TB didn’t think he’d do this. It took lots of failing of the many guys ahead of him on depth chart to fail.
Mo is a top 5 exec in the league.
LOL good one. He does juuuust enough to keep them competitive. He doesn't play to win though, just enough to keep the sheep fans crossing the turnstiles. Dewitt is profit first, win 2nd. 2020 is a bad reminder on just how many bad moves Moe made and they blew up in his face. Overrated
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Annnnd another tater for Randy the Rocket. Thanks again for that dumb move Mozeliak you [censored]!
Dude is on another planet, easily ALCS MVP if they win
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Really glad the cubs dont have to face that dude. Thanks cards
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@Bizien10 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@raesONE said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
I honestly think Voit is a one year wonder. Arozarena way too early to tell.
Voit, when healthy, has pretty consistently put up these type of numbers since he joined the Yankees. I've been saying he's just a flash in the pan for three years and he just keeps proving me wrong. I'm sold at this point.
Look at his numbers home and away
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@nymets1987 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@Bizien10 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@raesONE said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
I honestly think Voit is a one year wonder. Arozarena way too early to tell.
Voit, when healthy, has pretty consistently put up these type of numbers since he joined the Yankees. I've been saying he's just a flash in the pan for three years and he just keeps proving me wrong. I'm sold at this point.
Look at his numbers home and away
Dude still performs.
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@mrcityofwin said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
Really glad the cubs dont have to face that dude. Thanks cards
LOL MOEron is secretly working for you boys. Most overrated Pres/GM ever
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@Original_Quad said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@nymets1987 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@Bizien10 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@raesONE said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
I honestly think Voit is a one year wonder. Arozarena way too early to tell.
Voit, when healthy, has pretty consistently put up these type of numbers since he joined the Yankees. I've been saying he's just a flash in the pan for three years and he just keeps proving me wrong. I'm sold at this point.
Look at his numbers home and away
Dude still performs.
He does? Doesn’t seem so to me away from Yankee stadium this season
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@DoIHearBossMusic said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@GrxxnLikeGator said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
Voit was dealt because he is a poor defender and didn’t project well offensively for Busch III (or anywhere except Yankee Stadium). The Cards did get their best reliever (over last two years) in return.
Nothing Arozarena is doing is remotely sustainable. I’ve seen tons of guys in lifetime do well in first 100-200 major league at bats. He’s going to fall. Soon. And they got one of the best lefty arms in the minors in return. Even TB didn’t think he’d do this. It took lots of failing of the many guys ahead of him on depth chart to fail.
Mo is a top 5 exec in the league.
LOL good one. He does juuuust enough to keep them competitive. He doesn't play to win though, just enough to keep the sheep fans crossing the turnstiles. Dewitt is profit first, win 2nd. 2020 is a bad reminder on just how many bad moves Moe made and they blew up in his face. Overrated
LOL, good one! I guess you don’t remember the 90’s. I’d rather be competitive and a contender for the post season every year, than in the cellar every year and you go for it once every 10 years. The past 20 years the Cards have been in the post season......A LOT!!! The way the playoffs are structured now, all you gotta do is get in!!
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@mjfc_363 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@GrxxnLikeGator said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
Voit was dealt because he is a poor defender and didn’t project well offensively for Busch III (or anywhere except Yankee Stadium). The Cards did get their best reliever (over last two years) in return.
Nothing Arozarena is doing is remotely sustainable. I’ve seen tons of guys in lifetime do well in first 100-200 major league at bats. He’s going to fall. Soon. And they got one of the best lefty arms in the minors in return. Even TB didn’t think he’d do this. It took lots of failing of the many guys ahead of him on depth chart to fail.
Mo is a top 5 exec in the league.
LOL good one. He does juuuust enough to keep them competitive. He doesn't play to win though, just enough to keep the sheep fans crossing the turnstiles. Dewitt is profit first, win 2nd. 2020 is a bad reminder on just how many bad moves Moe made and they blew up in his face. Overrated
LOL, good one! I guess you don’t remember the 90’s. I’d rather be competitive and a contender for the post season every year, than in the cellar every year and you go for it once every 10 years. The past 20 years the Cards have been in the post season......A LOT!!! The way the playoffs are structured now, all you gotta do is get in!!
3/4 of those appearances were because of Jocketty, La Russa and Dave Duncan.
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@DoIHearBossMusic said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
Annnnd another tater for Randy the Rocket. Thanks again for that dumb move Mozeliak you [censored]!
Dude is on another planet, easily ALCS MVP if they win
Remember Steve Avery?? Randy A just might be the LCS MVP!! Still doesn’t mean he’s a perennial all star!
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@DoIHearBossMusic said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@mjfc_363 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@GrxxnLikeGator said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
Voit was dealt because he is a poor defender and didn’t project well offensively for Busch III (or anywhere except Yankee Stadium). The Cards did get their best reliever (over last two years) in return.
Nothing Arozarena is doing is remotely sustainable. I’ve seen tons of guys in lifetime do well in first 100-200 major league at bats. He’s going to fall. Soon. And they got one of the best lefty arms in the minors in return. Even TB didn’t think he’d do this. It took lots of failing of the many guys ahead of him on depth chart to fail.
Mo is a top 5 exec in the league.
LOL good one. He does juuuust enough to keep them competitive. He doesn't play to win though, just enough to keep the sheep fans crossing the turnstiles. Dewitt is profit first, win 2nd. 2020 is a bad reminder on just how many bad moves Moe made and they blew up in his face. Overrated
LOL, good one! I guess you don’t remember the 90’s. I’d rather be competitive and a contender for the post season every year, than in the cellar every year and you go for it once every 10 years. The past 20 years the Cards have been in the post season......A LOT!!! The way the playoffs are structured now, all you gotta do is get in!!
3/4 of those appearances were because of Jocketty, La Russa and Dave Duncan.
Funny...........when they were here all I heard was “LaRussa’s an idiot!! He needs to go!!!” You have no idea how many fans hated LaRussa!! I heard about everyday on the radio. All I’m sayin is, Voit and Randy A showed absolutely no signs of what they’re doing now. Previous gentleman is correct we did get a top tier everyday reliever for Voit. Mo isn’t perfect but he’s pretty good!
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@nymets1987 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@Original_Quad said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@nymets1987 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@Bizien10 said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
@raesONE said in Rays and Yanks need to send Cardinals a fruit basket...:
I honestly think Voit is a one year wonder. Arozarena way too early to tell.
Voit, when healthy, has pretty consistently put up these type of numbers since he joined the Yankees. I've been saying he's just a flash in the pan for three years and he just keeps proving me wrong. I'm sold at this point.
Look at his numbers home and away
Dude still performs.
He does? Doesn’t seem so to me away from Yankee stadium this season
His splits were the complete opposite the last two years. He hit much, much better away from yankee stadium in both of those years. Don’t cherry pick stats. He was probably more comfortable playing there this year or somethinf like that.
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No way to tell if this contributes to either of their success this year, but Arozarena gained about 15lbs of muscle over the offseason/quarantine, and Voit actually shed about 20lbs over the offseason and is leaner than he’s ever been.
Sometimes there are other factors that contribute to a players’ success that only come to light because of a change of scenery, in opportunity, or circumstance, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that someone missed something.
Other times, someone is able to pick up on something that unlocks a player’s potential. Charlie Morton’s pitching usage changed when he got to the Astros and he became incredibly effective, the Blue Jays changed Jose Bautista’ s swing and unlocked immense power, and numerous other examples.
Who is to say that had those players not had that change of scenery that they’d ever have reached their potential. Really makes you think about all the players that could have been had they been able to unlock whatever was holding them back.
