Starters as relievers
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@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
I would agree more with this, but I still believe this falls into the category of them in rl not having access to the pitching we have in DD
Yes you are correct that every team doesn’t have access to 5 aces in their starting rotation like we do in DD. But even if they did, no manager would ever throw them all every game or even in the playoffs. Starting pitchers train their arm strength differently that relief pitchers. Their arms are designed to throw 90-100 pitches at peak performance and then rest for 4 days to regain their strength to be able to pitch for a 3 hour game.
A relief pitcher’s arm is completely different. They are designed to come in and throw 15-20 pitches and get 3 outs in an inning. Possibly more depending on the situation. A starting pitcher’s body just simply isn’t trained to come in and throw 20-25 pitches for 4 straight games. Not even the best closers in the world can do that either.
fair point. I just feel we’ve never seen someone try it, so it’s hard to say for certain. But who knows. I’ve gotta head out for a bit but it was nice discussing this mate. Hope you have a great day over there
You as well, thank you for being a rational person on this thread. It’s a nice change of pace lol
Save it. You started with the disparaging remarks and just can’t own up to it. Now you’re resorting to snarky little sneak disses. At least call me out by name.
You’re so fake. I want my apology, but I’ll settle for you admitting guilt.
My only disparaging remark I made was regarding my opinion of your post and that I didn’t agree with it. I’m allowed to disagree with your opinion and have it not be a personal attack on your character. Just because I say that a post is one of the worst ones I have read in a long time, doesn’t mean that you never make other posts that I might agree with and we would get along. Never once did I make a disparaging remark about you or your character until you did it to me first. Therefore, if you apologize first since you gave the first personal insult, I give you my word as a man that I will return the apology as well and we can all move along. Ball is in your court sir.
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
I would agree more with this, but I still believe this falls into the category of them in rl not having access to the pitching we have in DD
Yes you are correct that every team doesn’t have access to 5 aces in their starting rotation like we do in DD. But even if they did, no manager would ever throw them all every game or even in the playoffs. Starting pitchers train their arm strength differently that relief pitchers. Their arms are designed to throw 90-100 pitches at peak performance and then rest for 4 days to regain their strength to be able to pitch for a 3 hour game.
A relief pitcher’s arm is completely different. They are designed to come in and throw 15-20 pitches and get 3 outs in an inning. Possibly more depending on the situation. A starting pitcher’s body just simply isn’t trained to come in and throw 20-25 pitches for 4 straight games. Not even the best closers in the world can do that either.
fair point. I just feel we’ve never seen someone try it, so it’s hard to say for certain. But who knows. I’ve gotta head out for a bit but it was nice discussing this mate. Hope you have a great day over there
You as well, thank you for being a rational person on this thread. It’s a nice change of pace lol
Save it. You started with the disparaging remarks and just can’t own up to it. Now you’re resorting to snarky little sneak disses. At least call me out by name.
You’re so fake. I want my apology, but I’ll settle for you admitting guilt.
My only disparaging remark I made was regarding my opinion of your post
Right. And my first post was not disrespectful to you in anyway. Once I was disrespected, I responded in kind. I am a nice, kind-spirited guy, but when I am slighted, I’ve been known to take things to levels that people weren’t expecting.
But your first sentence here is good enough me. So I am sorry for offending you. Bygones as far as I am concerned.
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It's so bad. There is no longer a reward for running up a pitch count to get into the pen. Nice job, now here comes Kluber.
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@Ch-76-1908 said in Starters as relievers:
It's so bad. There is no longer a reward for running up a pitch count to get into the pen. Nice job, now here comes Kluber.
You can bring Kluber in out of the pen, too.
And for the record, I’ve played about 70+ RS games, and I’ve brought a starter out of the pen twice.
I think this is a losing battle. Those who don’t like it don’t have to do it, but better believe many of your opponents will. So I’m looking at it as a “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” type of a thing.
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@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@Ch-76-1908 said in Starters as relievers:
It's so bad. There is no longer a reward for running up a pitch count to get into the pen. Nice job, now here comes Kluber.
You can bring Kluber in out of the pen, too.
And for the record, I’ve played about 70+ RS games, and I’ve brought a starter out of the pen twice.
I think this is a losing battle. Those who don’t like it don’t have to do it, but better believe many of your opponents will. So I’m looking at it as a “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” type of a thing.
Yes I know I can. But I refuse to. I like playing the game in a more traditional way. Ya I might be putting myself at a bit of a competitive disadvantage but I'm ok with that.
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How about If a starter appears in relief he can’t start the next game?
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@NatsChampions19 said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
There is nothing wrong with starters out of the pen.
This is Ranked Seasons. People are trying to win stubs, XP, and card rewards. They should have their entire 25-man roster available to them in anyway they see fit.
There are no rules in MLB that prevent a manager from using a player however they want. Position player as pitcher? Why not? A pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner? Go for it. Whatever you think will help you win the game. SDS did the correct thing by allowing us to do this.
What difference does it make if your opponent uses a SP out of the pen? Your job at the plate is to get hits. Period. Starter, Relief, Closer—it makes no difference. Do your job.
But I will say that if SDS wanted to reduce the usage of SPs out of the pen, they have to release better relievers. I think Rollie is the only reliever over 90. At least he’s all I can think of at the moment.
This post is embarrassing on so many levels. The only time you rarely see starters come out of the bullpen during the regular season is during marathon extra inning games or true emergencies. It should not be routine in online play.
Have you ever watched postseason (aka must win) games. Last year in the world series Corbin came into relief many times. Chris Sale closed out the world series in 2018. Even in the division series Kershaw was brought in during the 8th inning(unfortunately he gave up back to back hr) . Online games are not "regular season games" where wins don't matter as much, so it does make sense to bring in your best pitchers when ever you want.
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I think it cheapens the value of your bullpen. I’m fine with using starters in relief but only after you’ve used all your relievers. I don’t work counts against Kluber for 7 innings only to have Oswalt to come in after I get him out of the game. Plus, I’m sick of facing the same 4 pitchers every game. There can be a balance between competitiveness and sportsmanship and between freedom of choice and realism.
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Part of relief pitching is not knowing what's going to happen, as a relief pitcher. Starting pitchers prepare for and are ready to throw 6- 7+ innings. That's why I'm okay with reliever confidence being lower. I play mostly offline and haven't seen or tried bringing in a starter as a reliever, but I'm going to try today. We could think about the preparation that starters go through both before a start and before coming in for relief to see if energy and confidence for starters matches well with the stretching, throwing and exercise they'd go through before a real life appearance. Relief pitchers, for example, are not able to get jogging in the bullpen like starters do in the outfield before first pitch.
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If we ever get better relievers it will change ! But there just isnt good relievers in the game !! If we keep seeing starters more and more! It makes them easier to hit! Who cares
