Starters as relievers
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Lol I’m taking it just fine. You haven’t upset me in any way at all. You just have resorted to constant childish insults instead of trying to change my opinion because I disagreed with you. I am a very understanding person and have agreed/upvoted several comments on this thread. Yet you still resort to insults and childish drama...sounds like you were born for the internet and never get off it
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Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
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@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
There is nothing wrong with starters out of the pen.
This is Ranked Seasons. People are trying to win stubs, XP, and card rewards. They should have their entire 25-man roster available to them in anyway they see fit.
There are no rules in MLB that prevent a manager from using a player however they want. Position player as pitcher? Why not? A pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner? Go for it. Whatever you think will help you win the game. SDS did the correct thing by allowing us to do this.
What difference does it make if your opponent uses a SP out of the pen? Your job at the plate is to get hits. Period. Starter, Relief, Closer—it makes no difference. Do your job.
But I will say that if SDS wanted to reduce the usage of SPs out of the pen, they have to release better relievers. I think Rollie is the only reliever over 90. At least he’s all I can think of at the moment.
Lol this is the worst post I’ve read in a long time. Let me know the next time you see a MLB team throw any starter in back to back games just to win
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Taking things out of context is called lying. You ignited this whole thing with this, saying it’s the “worst post you’ve read in a while,” bashing his opinion.” This was BEFORE any “attack” by him
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You haven’t brought up any point about the argument at hand, you’ve let a person using sarcasm who could be 3000 miles away from you get into your head and change your mindset.
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I just woke up and I’m eating a really good Denver Omelet right now.
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Yes I said it was the worst thread I have read in a while because I strongly disagreed with his POST/opinion. It has nothing to do with his personal character or insulting his character. He made it into a personal issue with his response
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I’ve tried to voice my opinion and all I get is constant insults and name called completely unprovoked.
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Denver Omelets are amazing
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@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
There is nothing wrong with starters out of the pen.
This is Ranked Seasons. People are trying to win stubs, XP, and card rewards. They should have their entire 25-man roster available to them in anyway they see fit.
There are no rules in MLB that prevent a manager from using a player however they want. Position player as pitcher? Why not? A pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner? Go for it. Whatever you think will help you win the game. SDS did the correct thing by allowing us to do this.
What difference does it make if your opponent uses a SP out of the pen? Your job at the plate is to get hits. Period. Starter, Relief, Closer—it makes no difference. Do your job.
But I will say that if SDS wanted to reduce the usage of SPs out of the pen, they have to release better relievers. I think Rollie is the only reliever over 90. At least he’s all I can think of at the moment.
Lol this is the worst post I’ve read in a long time. Let me know the next time you see a MLB team throw any starter in back to back games just to win
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Taking things out of context is called lying. You ignited this whole thing with this, saying it’s the “worst post you’ve read in a while,” bashing his opinion.” This was BEFORE any “attack” by him
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You haven’t brought up any point about the argument at hand, you’ve let a person using sarcasm who could be 3000 miles away from you get into your head and change your mindset.
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I just woke up and I’m eating a really good Denver Omelet right now.
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
There is nothing wrong with starters out of the pen.
This is Ranked Seasons. People are trying to win stubs, XP, and card rewards. They should have their entire 25-man roster available to them in anyway they see fit.
There are no rules in MLB that prevent a manager from using a player however they want. Position player as pitcher? Why not? A pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner? Go for it. Whatever you think will help you win the game. SDS did the correct thing by allowing us to do this.
What difference does it make if your opponent uses a SP out of the pen? Your job at the plate is to get hits. Period. Starter, Relief, Closer—it makes no difference. Do your job.
But I will say that if SDS wanted to reduce the usage of SPs out of the pen, they have to release better relievers. I think Rollie is the only reliever over 90. At least he’s all I can think of at the moment.
Lol this is the worst post I’ve read in a long time. Let me know the next time you see a MLB team throw any starter in back to back games just to win
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Taking things out of context is called lying. You ignited this whole thing with this, saying it’s the “worst post you’ve read in a while,” bashing his opinion.” This was BEFORE any “attack” by him
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You haven’t brought up any point about the argument at hand, you’ve let a person using sarcasm who could be 3000 miles away from you get into your head and change your mindset.
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I just woke up and I’m eating a really good Denver Omelet right now.
Exactly. He said “Lol,” meaning, “I’m laughing at your opinion because I don’t like it.”
And, “This is the worst post I’ve ever read,” meaning “Your viewpoint is invalid.”
But really, my argument was a legitimate one. He didn’t want to confront the argument, so he tried to minimize the entire thing by calling it unworthy of his attention.
I responded by calling him a crybaby. I could have left it at that.
But then Officer Bada** came out. Lol
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
There is nothing wrong with starters out of the pen.
This is Ranked Seasons. People are trying to win stubs, XP, and card rewards. They should have their entire 25-man roster available to them in anyway they see fit.
There are no rules in MLB that prevent a manager from using a player however they want. Position player as pitcher? Why not? A pitcher used as a pinch hitter or pinch runner? Go for it. Whatever you think will help you win the game. SDS did the correct thing by allowing us to do this.
What difference does it make if your opponent uses a SP out of the pen? Your job at the plate is to get hits. Period. Starter, Relief, Closer—it makes no difference. Do your job.
But I will say that if SDS wanted to reduce the usage of SPs out of the pen, they have to release better relievers. I think Rollie is the only reliever over 90. At least he’s all I can think of at the moment.
Lol this is the worst post I’ve read in a long time. Let me know the next time you see a MLB team throw any starter in back to back games just to win
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Taking things out of context is called lying. You ignited this whole thing with this, saying it’s the “worst post you’ve read in a while,” bashing his opinion.” This was BEFORE any “attack” by him
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You haven’t brought up any point about the argument at hand, you’ve let a person using sarcasm who could be 3000 miles away from you get into your head and change your mindset.
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I just woke up and I’m eating a really good Denver Omelet right now.
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Yes I said it was the worst thread I have read in a while because I strongly disagreed with his POST/opinion. It has nothing to do with his personal character or insulting his character. He made it into a personal issue with his response
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I’ve tried to voice my opinion and all I get is constant insults and name called completely unprovoked.
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Denver Omelets are amazing
Denver omelets really are amazing. That was a 10/10 omelet
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Ok starters are used in the playoffs. So it is not a common thing in baseball
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@beanball0571 said in Starters as relievers:
Ok starters are used in the playoffs. So it is not a common thing in baseball
RS is more playoffs than it is the regular season. That’s one thing everyone agreed on
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@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
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@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
Also there is no win/loss in this thread. It is a debate of opinions, or at least it used to be before you started hijacking it with insults
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
I would agree more with this, but I still believe this falls into the category of them in rl not having access to the pitching we have in DD
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@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
I would agree more with this, but I still believe this falls into the category of them in rl not having access to the pitching we have in DD
Yes you are correct that every team doesn’t have access to 5 aces in their starting rotation like we do in DD. But even if they did, no manager would ever throw them all every game or even in the playoffs. Starting pitchers train their arm strength differently that relief pitchers. Their arms are designed to throw 90-100 pitches at peak performance and then rest for 4 days to regain their strength to be able to pitch for a 3 hour game.
A relief pitcher’s arm is completely different. They are designed to come in and throw 15-20 pitches and get 3 outs in an inning. Possibly more depending on the situation. A starting pitcher’s body just simply isn’t trained to come in and throw 20-25 pitches for 4 straight games. Not even the best closers in the world can do that either.
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@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
I would agree more with this, but I still believe this falls into the category of them in rl not having access to the pitching we have in DD
Yes you are correct that every team doesn’t have access to 5 aces in their starting rotation like we do in DD. But even if they did, no manager would ever throw them all every game or even in the playoffs. Starting pitchers train their arm strength differently that relief pitchers. Their arms are designed to throw 90-100 pitches at peak performance and then rest for 4 days to regain their strength to be able to pitch for a 3 hour game.
A relief pitcher’s arm is completely different. They are designed to come in and throw 15-20 pitches and get 3 outs in an inning. Possibly more depending on the situation. A starting pitcher’s body just simply isn’t trained to come in and throw 20-25 pitches for 4 straight games. Not even the best closers in the world can do that either.
fair point. I just feel we’ve never seen someone try it, so it’s hard to say for certain. But who knows. I’ve gotta head out for a bit but it was nice discussing this mate. Hope you have a great day over there
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Also, people keep saying to treat every game like it’s Game 7 of the World Series. But that argument is completely invalid. Because of the simple fact that after your DD game of using 3-4 starters in relief, you just start up your next game and do it again.
If it’s Game 7 of the World Series, there are no more games to be played...
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@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
I would agree more with this, but I still believe this falls into the category of them in rl not having access to the pitching we have in DD
Probably true, but you lose me at pitchers would be able to go five days straight. Also, statistically speaking, if you look at how starters perform on short rest or out of the bullpen it's generally worse.
The problem is just stamina in general especially on the RP side. Idk why it was a good idea RP can't have full stamina ever, but SP can whether they start or come from the pen.
They've created the issue though, why wouldn't you use SP more when there is A) more of them and at a cheaper price point B) better stamina and recovery C) confidence of SP holds much better than RP.
If they would get some more RP in the game and stop neutering them it wouldn't be so much of an issue.
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@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
I would agree more with this, but I still believe this falls into the category of them in rl not having access to the pitching we have in DD
Yes you are correct that every team doesn’t have access to 5 aces in their starting rotation like we do in DD. But even if they did, no manager would ever throw them all every game or even in the playoffs. Starting pitchers train their arm strength differently that relief pitchers. Their arms are designed to throw 90-100 pitches at peak performance and then rest for 4 days to regain their strength to be able to pitch for a 3 hour game.
A relief pitcher’s arm is completely different. They are designed to come in and throw 15-20 pitches and get 3 outs in an inning. Possibly more depending on the situation. A starting pitcher’s body just simply isn’t trained to come in and throw 20-25 pitches for 4 straight games. Not even the best closers in the world can do that either.
fair point. I just feel we’ve never seen someone try it, so it’s hard to say for certain. But who knows. I’ve gotta head out for a bit but it was nice discussing this mate. Hope you have a great day over there
You as well, thank you for being a rational person on this thread. It’s a nice change of pace lol
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
I would agree more with this, but I still believe this falls into the category of them in rl not having access to the pitching we have in DD
Probably true, but you lose me at pitchers would be able to go five days straight. Also, statistically speaking, if you look at how starters perform on short rest or out of the bullpen it's generally worse.
The problem is just stamina in general especially on the RP side. Idk why it was a good idea RP can't have full stamina ever, but SP can whether they start or come from the pen.
They've created the issue though, why wouldn't you use SP more when there is A) more of them and at a cheaper price point B) better stamina and recovery C) confidence of SP holds much better than RP.
If they would get some more RP in the game and stop neutering them it wouldn't be so much of an issue.
Relief pitcher stamina is def an issue. I’ve never understood what the basis for that is, not allowing them to ever be rested
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@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
@maurice91932 said in Starters as relievers:
@WillTheThrill_7 said in Starters as relievers:
@Sayjinman said in Starters as relievers:
Again, I ask a moderator to remove this thread because it has gotten completely off topic and has now become nothing but senseless drama
I disagree. This thread was back on point last night and then this morning you started talking about Maurice again instead of the argument at hand
Notice he won’t address the arguments about starters out of pen. What you posted about that was great. You mentioned things I had not even thought of, but they solidified my view that starters out of the pen is fine.
He just want to cry about me “insulting” him.
He lost. So he is asking for the mods to eliminate the evidence.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, considering he is asking SDS to change the rules of baseball to make the game easier/more enjoyable for him.
And he said the real world was too tough for me. That’s laughable.
Lol where in the hell did I ever ask SDS to change the rules of baseball?? I have clearly stated that I have no problems facing a starter out the pen. I have a problem facing 3-4 starters out the pen! That is completely unrealistic even in a playoff scenario
I would agree more with this, but I still believe this falls into the category of them in rl not having access to the pitching we have in DD
Probably true, but you lose me at pitchers would be able to go five days straight. Also, statistically speaking, if you look at how starters perform on short rest or out of the bullpen it's generally worse.
The problem is just stamina in general especially on the RP side. Idk why it was a good idea RP can't have full stamina ever, but SP can whether they start or come from the pen.
They've created the issue though, why wouldn't you use SP more when there is A) more of them and at a cheaper price point B) better stamina and recovery C) confidence of SP holds much better than RP.
If they would get some more RP in the game and stop neutering them it wouldn't be so much of an issue.
Relief pitcher stamina is def an issue. I’ve never understood what the basis for that is, not allowing them to ever be rested
In RS it's not as bad, but in BR or events you can have a fully rested RP come out yellow and serve BP
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I still don't think SP's should be able to come out of the pen unless all RP's have been used. I see merit to the Game 7 argument but at the same time I view the mechanic as flawed in this game due to stamina/energy purposes. Plus it's never truly a game 7 because we all know we can play infinite games and change out our roster as we see fit.
So I think it needs to be viewed as an in game balancing that needs to happen versus viewing this as legitimate baseball strategy.
