Brian Roberts?
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I would have liked Olerud as a boss as well. You might have to wait a while though. They don’t usually come out with a better card of a collection reward until later in the year
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Brian Roberts?:
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
It's the hat.
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So do people think Brian Roberts is worthy of a 94 rated boss card? That is my original point. I would rather see Chase Utley, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, Nap Lajoie, Eddie Collins, Lou Whitaker, Jeff Kent, Julio Franco, Bobby Doerr, etc. Players that realistically deserve 94 rated cards.
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@pbake12 said in Brian Roberts?:
Joe Carter hit a walk off home run in the world series, and batted 3rd for back to back world series winning teams! Don't care his WAR is low because he played below-average defense and didn't have a very good OBP, dude won and deserved to be a boss! Something should be said about being a clutch and winning player vs somebody who has a lot of empty stats.
I love stats and advanced analytics, but Carter was a feared bat on a winning team in his prime.
I agree with some points here. One thing though. He should have never batted 3rd for the 1992 team. If anything that hurt the team. Cito was old school...
And in 1993, Carter never batted third. Molitor did almost all year. After they got Rickey, Alomar did sometimes. The fact Olerud hit 5th with a .363 AVG and near .500 OBP is an absolute joke -
@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:
So do people think Brian Roberts is worthy of a 94 rated boss card? That is my original point. I would rather see Chase Utley, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, Nap Lajoie, Eddie Collins, Lou Whitaker, Jeff Kent, Julio Franco, Bobby Doerr, etc. Players that realistically deserve 94 rated cards.
Considering all the FS cards that are around a 94, then yeah. Overall rating doesn't really mean much for comparing players.
A different player would have been nice though, we already have a gold of him, while a few teams don't have any non-live series players on the marketplace (e.i. Brewers, Royals, Nationals, Dbacks...)
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You are all missing the point.
We're running low on 2B with the lack of FS guys playing second....
Oh wait...
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@pbake12 said in Brian Roberts?:
Joe Carter hit a walk off home run in the world series, and batted 3rd for back to back world series winning teams! Don't care his WAR is low because he played below-average defense and didn't have a very good OBP, dude won and deserved to be a boss! Something should be said about being a clutch and winning player vs somebody who has a lot of empty stats.
I love stats and advanced analytics, but Carter was a feared bat on a winning team in his prime.
He wouldn’t of even been remembered if it wasn’t for that homerun
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So I don’t think Roberts is a bad 3rd inning boss. I think the problem is that we have a ton of 95 Ovr prospects. I guess people complained that everyone was rolling out all 99 teams by May last year so SDS decided to tamper down on releasing end game or near end game cards. That worked, until TA phase two. I get that COVID means a lot of people have more time in their hand but if you couldn’t Get a faster Rays 2B for free right now I don’t know how upset people would be about this
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I personally love the add. Switch hitter, good contact, very good speed, good D. Perfect leadoff hitter. Will compete with some if these future star second baseman that are being released
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Why would anyone use roberts? Albies better! Future stars! 99 sandberg ! CAP! No reason why they put Robert's in 3rd inning! These inning programs suck balls this year so bad wow! Last year we got 3 99s in 3rd! Henderson , alomar and Verlander!!!
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Brian Roberts was really good in his prime. He had 2 seasons where he led the AL in doubles, and a year were he led the AL in SB, so he had a nice combination of power and speed for a 2B...and he was an above average defensive player. His card could actually be quite good.
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@high-heat-27 said in Brian Roberts?:
Why would anyone use roberts? Albies better! Future stars! 99 sandberg ! CAP! No reason why they put Robert's in 3rd inning! These inning programs suck balls this year so bad wow! Last year we got 3 99s in 3rd! Henderson , alomar and Verlander!!!
You can say that about any position right now. It’s more options for people. They are slowing down the release of 99s which is something a lot of people asked for.
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@high-heat-27 said in Brian Roberts?:
Why would anyone use roberts? Albies better! Future stars! 99 sandberg ! CAP! No reason why they put Robert's in 3rd inning! These inning programs suck balls this year so bad wow! Last year we got 3 99s in 3rd! Henderson , alomar and Verlander!!!
Calm down my guy. Excessive exclamation points is not a good look.
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Why would anyone use roberts? Albies better! Future stars! 99 sandberg ! CAP! No reason why they put Robert's in 3rd inning! These inning programs suck balls this year so bad wow! Last year we got 3 99s in 3rd! Henderson , alomar and Verlander!!!
You can say that about any position right now. It’s more options for people. They are slowing down the release of 99s which is something a lot of people asked for.
I don't the slow roll out at all, do we know who else is going to be a boss yet? I have Brujan so probably wont be taking Roberts.
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
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I thinks it’s a decent 3rd inning program card. Aside from the Stage 2 TA’s, SDS has done a really good job with the ratings on the cards released so far. The problem is there was plenty of similar 2b’s released for free last friday, which makes this card underwhelming.
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Brian and Robert are just staring at their walls, who’s with me?
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
Now try using players that played in his time stop comparing him to today's players the game has change over time. Impossible to compare players from different times
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Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.
Joe carter only has 17.1
So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.
Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.
And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.
Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos LeeFor Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny FreyBelliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.
Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.
Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.
And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...
A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.
Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.
one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none
I completely agree.
57.3 fWAR is no easy task.
Go back to Carter's time and show me or tell me what teams used WAR. yep that is right they did not. Back then it was not about getting on base and taking pitches. Carter's job was to hit HR and get RBI's. His fielding suffer and his hitting suffer when he played CF field. Take all in for consideration. Carter consistently hit and was above avg with runners in scoring pos.
Carter’s best wRC+ was 125, and he only had 120 two other times.
His career wRC+ is 102.
Adam Dunn had 8 seasons with 125 or higher wRC+.
Matt Kemp has had 4 seasons that are higher than 125.
Even Joc Pederson has already had 3 seasons slightly higher than 125.
Carter was nothing special.
He was above avg player
