Market restriction permanent
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it shouldn't though because there's a night and day easy-to-tell difference between a human's behaviour and a bot's.
How? We don't know what tracking they have to differentiate or review.
I find it hard to believe that they track and keep every single bid an account puts in. Transactions? Yes, we know that they track those.
The only real definitive way to differentiate is a history of bids and how quickly they are placed after being out bid for a card. Even then you probably have really dedicated flippers who sit there and refresh the app on a single card they want to buy to constantly one up whoever out bids them.
When you have a real person and a bot going back and forth out bidding each other then who is the real person and who is the bot?
The only real way a player can be sure not to get caught in the trap, at least for right now, is to limit how much, how long or how many transactions they put in during a single session with the app.
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I'm going to be blunt honest here and risk offending people. But, sometimes that's the only approach that is called for.
We here do not know for sure who anyone here is. We can only guess. I make this point because it is easy for someone who is banned to come here and write an OP saying he or she was unfairly banned. But, what we do know for a clear fact is that bots have ruined the community market, and humans create the bots, and put the bots in place to cause that disruption.
Those humans can then also do innocuous things like flip cards. The two can happen at the same time by the hands of the same people.
What I do think is a very fair and objective complaint is that SDS does a terrible job of communication. They tend to keep all things very close hold. If SDS fairly determines the ID of people who placed the bots into position, and bans them, the disruptions diminish. I suspect only a few people have done all this because frankly most people have many honest motivations in life and don't waste their time disrupting a rather insignificant community market for a single video game. I mean, "get a life" comes to mind for those lost souls who do such things!
So, creating this OP isn't really fair to the community. Your complaints should go to SDS and you have done that and for whatever reason SDS has rejected them. This could be due to them making a mistake and standing stubbornly behind it. But, it could also be due to legitimate identification of someone who truly did place bots in position.
We honestly do not know, so what can we really say that matters?
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How? We don't know what tracking they have to differentiate or review.
Anything that utilizes the servers would have timestamps of the buys and sells. If they're using an automated software system to constantly scour the timestamps it can pick up on anything the program deems "suspicious".
To your point, we absolutely don't know. I'm basing my educated guess on my own experience in sales and marketing software I've used to track traffic. I do know that you can see when something automated is making the purchase, and when it's a human by the amount of time the purchase takes from initiation to finalization.
Do I know what they have, exactly? No, you're 100% correct. And again, just going off my own experiences using software designed for that kinda stuff.
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Now I’m stressin I flipped for like 2 hours hard last night should I be worried about a possible timeout or ban coming my way?
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Now I’m stressin I flipped for like 2 hours hard last night should I be worried about a possible timeout or ban coming my way?
It would be great too know the criteria that gets people flagged but that would just be used by the bot makers to program their bots to avoid detection.
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@Onix_Savage22_PSN
Ahh the good ol days when you could flip as much and as long as you wanted without ptsd of getting restricted -
@PriorFir4383355_XBL I understand your take. But to be unfairly banned, and because they lack real communication skills, I will use any approach available to me.
The funny thing is, my account would absolutely show I don’t flip very effectively compared to most. I put in Several orders and then wait about 15 minutes. The ones that go through I sell, the ones that don’t I cancel. I don’t keep trying to outbid for a particular card. I am way too impatient for that. I also can’t stress this enough. I CAN’T play online. I have TMobile and it doesn’t support head to head. I have yet to figure out a way around it. I wouldn’t know how to use a bot or even what a bot is if it bit me on the nose. I still type with two fingers for gods sake. I am the least tech savvy person on the planet. I didn’t even understand that bots were used by people. I just learned how to flip a few years ago so I could collect the cards I like.
Yes if you flip cards you should now be worried because SDS is essentially banning flipping. @sds_joek_psn I am sorry to keep bugging you but how would I go about escalating my complaint?
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I think the safest bet is to flip only on the console. Flipping on the app can look like bot behavior as multiple orders can be posted with a single click. On the console you need to manually enter each order amount and post. It’s tedious but in no way could be mistaken for bot behavior.
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What were you flipping? I got a restriction earlier in the year when I was flipping a lot of bronze and silvers. But they were able to easily tell I wasn't a bot, and they lifted my restriction.
I flipped an insane amount with the high margins yesterday - but only diamonds. So far I'm okay.
What did their response back look like as well?
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@TripleH-4481_PSN I miss the good old days when the market made sense and we could flip in confidence.
Right now I’m looking at LS Sam Huff. Why does he have several buy orders for 13 stubs each? He’s a common card for God’s sake!
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@Bridge-Piece_XBL I flip spotlight diamond cards. I put in 15-20 buy orders, wait for about 10 mins or so and sell the ones that went through and cancel the others. My volume is not very high. Yes I can go fast on the app. But not anywhere in the realm of what a bot could do I imagine.
The response was very cookie cutter-
Your access to the Community Market via the Companion App and website has been restricted following a review of account activity that indicates non-standard marketplace usage. This restriction is permanent in MLB The Show 26.
Access to the Community Market on console remains available.
As a general reminder, the use of automated tools within any part of the game, Companion App, or website is not permitted.
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Just thinking any bulk orders on the app could get you flagged as it’s too quick and easy to post which could get you snagged as a bot. I don’t agree with it but it’s the only way I can wrap my head around it. I’ve been focusing nearly all my flipping on the console in the limited time I do have.
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@Ericulous1_XBL This is just my guess, but it was more than likely how quickly you were placing the orders and making changes to those orders that made it looks like automated tools were being used.
I still feel that it is the speed of the transactions being placed and or modified is what is tripping the software that they are using.
As TripleH stated, the safest way to flip is via the console, due to how slow it is to place the orders.
Just my opinion.
Psy
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@Ericulous1_XBL Man, if you're telling the truth here, which I'm sure you are, that's really disappointing. I was super upset when I got restricted earlier in the year, and I was told that flipping is totally fine. That's how someone like me, who works 50-60 hour weeks and has a family, engages with the game and keeps up with the folks who can play 8-10 hours a day.
I do the same thing with the bulk orders. I would reply back and ask for proof that you had non-standard marketplace usage. They should be able to detail what is flagging you as a bot. I'm not technical enough to understand the process involved, but common sense leans toward thinking they'd be able to identify the difference.
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I still feel that it is the speed of the transactions being placed and or modified is what is tripping the software that they are using.
this is what I suggested in another thread, that the timestamps on the transactions would be what triggers it
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Any number of ways they could make the determination depending on what data they store long term so that they can be reviewed.
The obvious choice is # of Transactions, probably over a given time frame.
They could possibly track placed orders vs cancelled orders.We'll never know, but one thing I think it is safe to say is that if you get in bidding wars with bots trying to undercut each other then it is going to look like two bots sparring.
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@Onix_Savage22_PSN
Ahh the good ol days when you could flip as much and as long as you wanted without ptsd of getting restrictedAnd without actual bots undercutting you.
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Cheaters and Exploiters always make the situation worse for regular users.
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@Dolenz_PSN Just look at the state CoD finds itself in right now. I saw that 5 years ago and remember going "I wonder how long it'll be before it hits sports gaming en masse"
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@nhacia88_MLBTS this is my first year rly flipping so I don’t even know how much I would have made last year without 20 card limit.
