Welp, stadium vault isn't carrying over to 2026
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@Dolenz_PSN
Don't give up hope. The negativity on these forums is unreal. I understand the frustration everyone has, especially after no updates last year. 24 did bring us three updates in the form of props. Two of them were pretty useful with the turn of the century and contemporary packs. Maybe we'll at least get some new prop packs this year. -
@StadiumsCenter_PSN said in Welp, stadium vault isn't carrying over to 2026:
@Dolenz_PSN
Don't give up hope. The negativity on these forums is unreal. I understand the frustration everyone has, especially after no updates last year. 24 did bring us three updates in the form of props. Two of them were pretty useful with the turn of the century and contemporary packs. Maybe we'll at least get some new prop packs this year.I can assure you, folks like myself have YEARS of very REAL experience being misled and seeing Stadium Creator, Uniform Creator, and Logo Editor deliberately neglected. Do you realize how easy it is to model 3D objects and texture them? For professional video game coders, it is very easy. There are software suites that make it easy enough for most lay people to achieve. I know, as I used them to create 3D objects used by software companies in Microsoft Flight Simulator and Combat Flight Simulator titles. And my level of talent is nowhere special compared to people who get paid to do it professionally.
I will state right here plain as day ... Stadium Creator will get nothing new, and receive zero upgrades. If I am wrong, I will come back here and correct myself. Will you correct yourself if events prove me correct?
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL
Correct what? That we should still hope for something? I'm not claiming they'll do anything, I'm just saying being that negative every time you post something isn't going to get you anywhere. -
@StadiumsCenter_PSN said in Welp, stadium vault isn't carrying over to 2026:
@PriorFir4383355_XBL
Correct what? That we should still hope for something? I'm not claiming they'll do anything, I'm just saying being that negative every time you post something isn't going to get you anywhere.Go back a few years and see where me being positive and sincerely working with SDS in cooperation got the customers! Your approach is quite a bit like demanding that a battered spouse keep a stiff upper lip and remain optimistic.
SDS earned their lack of goodwill from me ... they worked for it!
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL said in Welp, stadium vault isn't carrying over to 2026:
Your approach is quite a bit like demanding that a battered spouse keep a stiff upper lip and remain optimistic.
That is a bit of an extreme stretch, comparing yourself to a battered spouse simply because a game company did not prioritize the features you gave them feedback on.
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@Dolenz_PSN right? It's a bit more like a kid complaining about not getting what they want from their parents then claiming they have terrible parents when they don't get it...
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@Suel21_MLBTS said in Welp, stadium vault isn't carrying over to 2026:
@Dolenz_PSN right? It's a bit more like a kid complaining about not getting what they want from their parents then claiming they have terrible parents when they don't get it...
Except kids don't generally pay for what their parents hand them for free, now do they!
For the record, my two "boys" are both in their late twenties to early thirties, both married, with children of their own.
And yes, when a company of any kind says one thing and continuously does another, it is my right as a paying consumer to call them out for it. Perhaps being 62 years of age I grew up during a time that companies had to compete for business, and angering customers through poor service was considered taboo. I sincerely hope as a society we haven't allowed corporations to lose that focus without serious consequences.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL I've only been on stadium creator since the show 23 but I'm curious as to (because I don't know) what they said they would do with stadium creator, but didn't?
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Sarge can confirm what I'm about to write.
SDS took public suggestions we both made and said that SDS would work on them. SDS never did. But, the worst part that happened this year was private, but given all the events that transpired, both Sarge and myself concluded it was vital to publicly air it.
We both privately warned SDS of the Lagrasa risk associated with the code option to move all the stadium perimeter walls. This because SDS failed to include movement of the baseline and backstop wall panels with the coded option to render the stadium ineligible for use in online games.
Sarge further suggested that vice a hard ban, instead the code be further amended to enact limits to the wall moves before a stadium would be barred from online use. I simply advised SDS of the risks and urged them to quickly expand the code "as is" to ensure cheat stadiums wouldn't harm online game play.
Sarge and I both advised SDS to expand the already existing code to apply it to the movement of any wall panel. That would have prevented LaGrasa from ever being an issue to online game play. We made those suggestions while custom stadiums were already barred from online use due to a bug SDS discovered with their use (not due to the wall movement code). The existing code only invoked the online ban when an outfield wall panel was moved.
SDS had two months to receive, review, and enact upon our warnings, and privately SDS assured us they understood the issue and would act on it. Their definition of acting on it was to amend the code in MLB 25's version of Stadium Creator to further restrict the movement of baseline and backstop wall panels, but leave wide open the same oversight we warned them about.
Had SDS implemented our suggestion, then people could have placed a thousand cheat stadium in the vault without any of them hurting legitimate online game competitions. This because the revised code would have detected the move of any wall panel and made said stadium ineligible for online play. Again, they already had the code -- they merely needed to extend it to apply to movement of any wall panel. Again, SDS chose to ignore that option, leaving the backdoor wide open to LaGrasa, and I call that deliberate malice.
From previous years' feedback, about three dozen dedicated stadium designers who used to regularly participate at this SDS forum (has since diminished to less than one dozen) have given SDS a list of items easy to implement but never acted upon.
This forms the bulk of it.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL I get all that but the question was, what did they promise or say they would do that they didn't? Your response is that you advised them on something or made suggestions. They haven't broken any promises or failed to do anything with stadium creator that they said they would...
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@Suel21_MLBTS said in Welp, stadium vault isn't carrying over to 2026:
@PriorFir4383355_XBL I get all that but the question was, what did they promise or say they would do that they didn't? Your response is that you advised them on something or made suggestions. They haven't broken any promises or failed to do anything with stadium creator that they said they would...
Prior is right, we did and have been trying to work with SDS for a couple years now about improving the Stadium Creator, through simple QoL things. We had long been told that they would be working on things for the creator to improve its functionality, or that it would be “passed on”. It’s implied that all modes would continue to be built upon when any developer says they’re always looking to improve the game.
This merely came to a head this past iteration with the entire Lagrasa nonsense. Someone had accidentally discovered how to move the foul territory fences…and at first it was viewed as a boon and many creators leaned into it and told SDS “cat’s out of the bag now, you might as well work with our suggestions at this point”. It was maybe two or three days after this that the first Lagrasa popped up.
We privately messaged SDS community heads in an attempt to get a round table going on how to improve the creator, building off this accidental discovery while maintaining the integrity of the mode: Basically saying all they needed to do was implement min/max requirements in order to keep stadiums online eligible, while at the same time gatekeeping gross abuse of the new found freedom.
It’s not that they “promised “ and failed to deliver…it’s that they looked at the option of either working with the Creator community on genuinely improving the mode while maintaining their restrictions on garbage stadiums- OR the optically horrible option for total control with zero interaction. They went for the second option- not a good look in the slightest.
That’s why we’re largely disjointed with SDS…it felt the like entire interactions were entirely in bad faith. I 100% understand not everyone’s on board with the creator, and that’s cool…we’re all allowed to enjoy different parts of the game moreso than others. It’s the implication that was made, and not remotely followed through on despite at least two years worth of requests to provide feedback taken from designers from end users. That’s all
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I 100% agree with the frustrations on it. I always talk about stuff I'd like to see in the game when I stream with people in chat and how they could do x, y, and z. However, if you're going to say "when a company of any kind says one thing and continuously does another, it is my right as a paying consumer to call them out for it." They haven't promised anything officially in trailers or online to deceive you into the buying game for that purpose and then pulled back on it. Maybe I'm looking at it too much from a legal standpoint. I have posted my frustrations here about how they aren't really listening to what we want too. I ranted a bit on here when the futuristic props came out about how we ask for certain things (bullpens on the field, no home run line, etc) Same stuff you guys talk about too. The post was called "SDS just proved they don't listen." But my overall point is that they haven't been deceptive to the consumer in any way as far as I can tell. I'll stand here with you guys and back you up that we aren't getting the updates we'd like to see all day though.
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Only true time they’ve listened was creating standing fans. (And might we please get a single fan option too, at that?)
Other than such, not much has intentionally improved with additions.
Bullpens behind walls, better foul line wall angles and options, better ways to “cut off stands,” improved usage and snapping with objects—especially batter’ eyes, etc?
We can’t even get Canadian flags, different colored neon lettering/more number options for fonts, or cactus props in the game.
Thus, how can we even hope for the bigger, and more important QoL upgrades to core Stadium Creation concepts?
Unfortunately, we can’t hold our breath about anything.
Anger about this eventually does lead to apathy—and often that leads to the worst ultimate outcome… the failure of an entity overall.
I truly hope that’s not the case, as we all have common love for the game of baseball… and deep down want to see these things in The Show.
We LOVE The Show! Again, we LOVE The Show; but when you are constantly let down and feel ignored, what do you expect the consumer or fan to do? Eventually, they don’t care, and/or they leave for something else.
Constant rejection and being ignored is not a recipe for a successful partnership between customer and producer/seller. We get disappointed because we care. Get ignored enough, we won’t care anymore. Many in this forum and topic are reaching that point either now or soon. Video games are an addictive concept—though nevertheless, a company’s thought of fans doing anything for their annual dose eventually does stop for many, regardless how much our brains are wired to come back every year because of that “need,” and/or “fear of missing out.”
Please, SDS—we love your game and baseball. We care about your product. Kindly show that commitment in return. Taking such relationship for granted with customers is endlessly less than ideal.
When you can have 5 uniform creation options with mix-and-match capability in another competing major sports title, and only two uniform sets with no variation options in this game—it shows people clearly what is missing, desired, and yet nevertheless deprived.
And as for hoping things will change… Expectations should be restrained because of past inaction. Yet, it’s in most of us to continue to hope—as that is what all makes us baseball fans. Eventually, it WAS the Cubs year to win the World Series. The White and Red Sox did it too.
Now, we again hope SDS breaks their “drought.” Not counting on it—but we can hope. If fans don’t like what they see, then just don’t “go to the games anymore.”
We’re cheering for you, The Show! Come up with the clutch hit and send everyone home happy!
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@Blujfan1992_XBL
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@blujfan1992_xbl you are bang on, and that’s what Prior and I have been after for years…as well as other prominent creators. I remember years ago they met with some of the “community” members (big streamers- most of whom may or may not have had their own agenda) to discuss how to improve the game. That’s what I would love, is if SDS came to us and said “Ok, now we’re seriously ready for your input on THIS mode in particular”.
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The gaming kitchen here...I've been on this since mlb the show 21.....im not here to gatekeep...im here to keep it real. The fact is new comers and people who are casually into this scheme have positivity. Im not here for hyperbole im here to tell the truth and the facts.
The fact is this is a mode that has been neglected since 22 and whatever was given to the pioneers of the stadium creating community since then has been crumbs. This isnt the first go around that they shipped a game with vault issues and glitches and did nothing to fix it.
The fact that some of you here believe that erasing an entire vault that will alienate people like myself and most old school stsdium builders here is an insult and gross naivety of the situation.
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I don't know who people talked to at SDS but unless it was someone capable of making decisions on how resources are allocated then it does not mean a whole lot.
I worked in IT Software Support for the majority of my career. It was our job to listen. I can't count how many times I told users that I would pass something along to the programming teams and I would indeed pass things along to the programming team. But that is as far as I could take it. The decision was not in my hands at that point.
I hope the Vault is fixed. I hope the changes you all want are in stadium creator this year. But I still believe the core mechanics of how the vaults operate need to be fixed first, because if not then when they do get around to fixing the vault then it could mean the vault gets wiped again thanks to 10,000 costco fields cluttering up the vault. Until then I feel that stadium creators are building their stadiums on a shaky, unreliable foundation.
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@Sarge1387_PSN I hear you! I’m big into creating too… I’m just very low key about it.
I got the game this year around Thanksgiving at a huge discount exactly because of all the complaints I kept reading about all season. So I’ve maybe done three new ones so far myself.
Other times, I will adapt some great creations from the community, and edit them a little for my preferences.
In 23 and 24, I created a ton. It gets so frustrating because of all the problems and restrictions that we’ve all been enduring—and are well-documented—for years.
After a while, you just give up and do something else with your free time, as that is our biggest commodity. If we are going to be ignored, why keep coming back for more?
And I say this as loving Stadium Creator and uniform designing as my favorite The Show elements!
It’s so exciting to have your imagination become a reality, and get to actually play in those venues—that when we were kids—we’re unthinkable.
Video games are fantasy and escape. If there is capability to allow that for a customer, and yet to deprive the same?… It’s just a shame.
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I honestly think if you want to see real changes to SC, you're gonna need to get the big diamond dynasty streamers talking about it out something along those lines. Either way, changes/updates this year or not, I'll still continue creating SC content and showing off everyone's creations. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll notice the great stadiums that people who love the feature create and be more motivated to give us some new updates.
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I’m going to need you to be busy Suel when this game drops. Almost all my saved stadiums are from you. Bummed I’m not going to have them to start. Guess I’ll just need you to build something cool again for 26. Looks forward to the videos. Have we had a stadium of the year vote yet? That Olympic one by Murph is nuts.
