June Lightning
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerSteer is better than Riley? In what universe? Riley is having a down year to this point and is still a better defensive and offensive option than Steer is and his WAR supports this. Ketel Marte is having a good year however Albies is having a much better offensive season that Marte is. Ozzie is top 3 in homers and RBI’s in and plays a serviceable second base defense. Tatis is still being punished for the PED suspension so he just needs to take his medicine and give it a year to let people get over his betrayal. As far as Harris is concerned, his injuries have hurt his production for much of the season however he is still the best CF defender in the league and It wouldn’t be a bold statement to call him the best CF in baseball now that Buxton doesn’t play defense anymore. And if his June is a glimpse of the rest of the year he might be the best 9 hole hitter in baseball. All Star snub is a stretch but not that much of a stretch.
Steer: 2.1 WAR, .881 OPS
Riley: Also 2.1 WAR, .787 OPSMarte 3.6 WAR, .864 OPS
Albies 2.8 WAR, .841 OPSNimmo 2.3 WAR, .833 OPS (a true all star snub)
Harris 1.4 WAR, .749 OPS (may be better by the end of the year, but nothing close to a snub)The Braves already have Murphy, Arcia, Acuna, Olson, Elder, Strider. Thats a proper representation for the best team in baseball. They dont need Riley and Albies, the former having a borderline all star year and the latter is having a strong season but is outclassed by another player
And to be fair, Arcia doesn't deserve it based on stats, but the fans had their say and I'd even be cool with it if he were a reserve because he is having a career year and this may be his only shot vs a guy like Lindor who is having a down year even if his oWAR and dWAR are each half a game better.
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@Dolenz_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
Truthfully I think Michael Harris had a better month than Acuna did.
Man, I just checked Fangraphs for June and I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. Harris outdid Acuna in only on category and that was AVG.
Acuna had more HRs, Runs, RBIs, SB, ISO, OBA, SLG, wRC+, and offensive runs above average than Harris.
You’re only looking at one aspect of Harris’ game. Michael Harris saved several ballgames defensively. Which is as important as the offensive side of things. And in my opinion Acuna and Harris are defensive equals just not last month. I religiously follow that team and the eye test was that Harris had a better all around month than Acuna. Now I get it, offense is what people tune into to watch and being a Braves fan I am as giddy as the next about how elite that team is offensively but I’m an old school guy to and I enjoy the other side of the game as much. I’m am certainly not say that Harris is the better player at this point and time in his career but he certainly has the potential to be as good or better as he navigates his MLB career provided he can stay healthy.
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The only reason I'll guess Ohtani is that his Set 1 WBC card becomes "Obsolete" at 3:00 pm EST on Friday. Maybe they want to replace one 99 with another?
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@Dolenz_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
Truthfully I think Michael Harris had a better month than Acuna did.
Man, I just checked Fangraphs for June and I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. Harris outdid Acuna in only on category and that was AVG.
Acuna had more HRs, Runs, RBIs, SB, ISO, OBA, SLG, wRC+, and offensive runs above average than Harris.
And Acuna has better armbands and cleats.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
You’re only looking at one aspect of Harris’ game. Michael Harris saved several ballgames defensively.
Since when are defensive metrics used for POTM awards, either in real life or in the game.
That said though, I think I posited in another thread that Harris may be more likely to get a card in the POTM program than Acuna. A lot of the top POTM prospects are also in the all-star game and may get all star cards instead. There were only 3 players in the top 10 WAR for June that were not all-stars and Harris was one of those.
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@arvcpa_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
The only reason I'll guess Ohtani is that his Set 1 WBC card becomes "Obsolete" at 3:00 pm EST on Friday. Maybe they want to replace one 99 with another?
But could they not do that less than a week later with an all-star card? He was the top vote getter.
Acuna loses his 97 Friday as well and Tatis loses his 99. I still say that you give Ohtani and Acuna two 99 overall all-star cards and make Tatis your Lightning player and all three are then set for the next 3-4 months.
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@Dolenz_PSN said in June Lightning:
@arvcpa_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
The only reason I'll guess Ohtani is that his Set 1 WBC card becomes "Obsolete" at 3:00 pm EST on Friday. Maybe they want to replace one 99 with another?
But could they not do that less than a week later with an all-star card? He was the top vote getter.
Acuna loses his 97 Friday as well and Tatis loses his 99. I still say that you give Ohtani and Acuna two 99 overall all-star cards and make Tatis your Lightning player and all three are then set for the next 3-4 months.
100% true. So I'll go with you on Tatis (SDS "homer") and 99 AS cards for Acuna and Ohtani... behind a pack (rare round)... gasp!
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@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerSteer is better than Riley? In what universe? Riley is having a down year to this point and is still a better defensive and offensive option than Steer is and his WAR supports this. Ketel Marte is having a good year however Albies is having a much better offensive season that Marte is. Ozzie is top 3 in homers and RBI’s in and plays a serviceable second base defense. Tatis is still being punished for the PED suspension so he just needs to take his medicine and give it a year to let people get over his betrayal. As far as Harris is concerned, his injuries have hurt his production for much of the season however he is still the best CF defender in the league and It wouldn’t be a bold statement to call him the best CF in baseball now that Buxton doesn’t play defense anymore. And if his June is a glimpse of the rest of the year he might be the best 9 hole hitter in baseball. All Star snub is a stretch but not that much of a stretch.
Steer: 2.1 WAR, .881 OPS
Riley: Also 2.1 WAR, .787 OPSMarte 3.6 WAR, .864 OPS
Albies 2.8 WAR, .841 OPSNimmo 2.3 WAR, .833 OPS (a true all star snub)
Harris 1.4 WAR, .749 OPS (may be better by the end of the year, but nothing close to a snub)The Braves already have Murphy, Arcia, Acuna, Olson, Elder, Strider. Thats a proper representation for the best team in baseball. They dont need Riley and Albies, the former having a borderline all star year and the latter is having a strong season but is outclassed by another player
And to be fair, Arcia doesn't deserve it based on stats, but the fans had their say and I'd even be cool with it if he were a reserve because he is having a career year and this may be his only shot vs a guy like Lindor who is having a down year even if his oWAR and dWAR are each half a game better.
To be fair about your Arica argument, he missed a month plus after breaking his hand on a hbp. So he is missing a months worth of production against Lindor who absolutely has no business being in the conversation for an all star appearance. Arica has been the better player throughout the season in comparison to Lindor on both sides of the ball. I believe someone mentioned earlier this week that Arica is still the only Shortstop this year who has not committed a throwing error and if you saw the play he made last night where he made a no look throw from the center infield cut of grass to gun out Steven Kwan, who is not a slow man, you might have a different opinion of who the better shortstop really is.
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@arvcpa_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@Dolenz_PSN said in June Lightning:
@arvcpa_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
The only reason I'll guess Ohtani is that his Set 1 WBC card becomes "Obsolete" at 3:00 pm EST on Friday. Maybe they want to replace one 99 with another?
But could they not do that less than a week later with an all-star card? He was the top vote getter.
Acuna loses his 97 Friday as well and Tatis loses his 99. I still say that you give Ohtani and Acuna two 99 overall all-star cards and make Tatis your Lightning player and all three are then set for the next 3-4 months.
100% true. So I'll go with you on Tatis (SDS "homer") and 99 AS cards for Acuna and Ohtani... behind a pack (rare round)... gasp!
Actually when you look at their history I always have had the feeling that they go out of their way to not look too biased towards the Padres. I think the padres are often in the middle or lower for cards released each year.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerI didn't look at his numbers and concede June didn't make up for a mediocre beginning to the season. I'm not a fan of his and think he's a little overrated. Good player, but overrated. Strider deserved the ROTY over him last year as well. I fell into the trap of thinking recent rather than total. Which happened a lot this year.
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@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerI didn't look at his numbers and concede June didn't make up for a mediocre beginning to the season. I'm not a fan of his and think he's a little overrated. Good player, but overrated. Strider deserved the ROTY over him last year as well. I fell into the trap of thinking recent rather than total. Which happened a lot this year.
Strider should’ve been the ROY last year? Nah, I’m pretty sure the correct choice was made. Harris led all of baseball in WAR for rookies and he didn’t even play a whole season. Had he played the whole season he was looking at all time rookie records in that department. Strider was great last year and any other year probably wins it. But the correct call was made without a doubt.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerI didn't look at his numbers and concede June didn't make up for a mediocre beginning to the season. I'm not a fan of his and think he's a little overrated. Good player, but overrated. Strider deserved the ROTY over him last year as well. I fell into the trap of thinking recent rather than total. Which happened a lot this year.
Strider should’ve been the ROY last year? Nah, I’m pretty sure the correct choice was made. Harris led all of baseball in WAR for rookies and he didn’t even play a whole season. Had he played the whole season he was looking at all time rookie records in that department. Strider was great last year and any other year probably wins it. But the correct call was made without a doubt.
Thanks for just brushing off my opinion. I noticed the stat that you primarily mentioned in your other posts was WAR as well. I disagree with that assessment and the way you seem to have come to it. For position players, I typically like OPS and ERA with pitchers. I think Harris was just under 9 OPS with a league average of 7. Great for a rookie, very good for a vet. Strider's ERA was 2.65 with a league average of 3.96. Add his .99 WHIP and, I feel, Strider had a better rookie season than Harris. Once again, my opinion. So, no they didn't get it right.
But since you love WAR so much, Strider was 4.9 to Harris' 4.8. And Strider only started 20 games. I could be wrong, from my experience, which is just ok at best, Pitcher WAR is typically lower than position players.
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@ANF_GOLD99_PSN said in June Lightning:
Acuna is the first player ever with 20+ hrs and 40 steals at the break.
Not true. Acuna is the third player to hit 20 hrs and steal 40 bases in first 84 games. Eric Davis did it in 1986 and Rickey Henderson in 1990.
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@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerI didn't look at his numbers and concede June didn't make up for a mediocre beginning to the season. I'm not a fan of his and think he's a little overrated. Good player, but overrated. Strider deserved the ROTY over him last year as well. I fell into the trap of thinking recent rather than total. Which happened a lot this year.
Strider should’ve been the ROY last year? Nah, I’m pretty sure the correct choice was made. Harris led all of baseball in WAR for rookies and he didn’t even play a whole season. Had he played the whole season he was looking at all time rookie records in that department. Strider was great last year and any other year probably wins it. But the correct call was made without a doubt.
Thanks for just brushing off my opinion. I noticed the stat that you primarily mentioned in your other posts was WAR as well. I disagree with that assessment and the way you seem to have come to it. For position players, I typically like OPS and ERA with pitchers. I think Harris was just under 9 OPS with a league average of 7. Great for a rookie, very good for a vet. Strider's ERA was 2.65 with a league average of 3.96. Add his .99 WHIP and, I feel, Strider had a better rookie season than Harris. Once again, my opinion. So, no they didn't get it right.
But since you love WAR so much, Strider was 4.9 to Harris' 4.8. And Strider only started 20 games. I could be wrong, from my experience, which is just ok at best, Pitcher WAR is typically lower than position players.
Strider had a 3.7 WAR and Michael Harris was 5.6. That’s nearly a difference of 2 WAR. Not sure where you’re getting your info but mine is via Baseball Reference and their fangraphs WAR totals are also similar to the Baseball reference site. Those are the only 2 sites that you can use for WAR. Any other site that you are quoting is not relevant this includes ESPN or cbssports. Those sites do not calculate WAR properly. All the major stat sites use the two i referenced.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerI didn't look at his numbers and concede June didn't make up for a mediocre beginning to the season. I'm not a fan of his and think he's a little overrated. Good player, but overrated. Strider deserved the ROTY over him last year as well. I fell into the trap of thinking recent rather than total. Which happened a lot this year.
Strider should’ve been the ROY last year? Nah, I’m pretty sure the correct choice was made. Harris led all of baseball in WAR for rookies and he didn’t even play a whole season. Had he played the whole season he was looking at all time rookie records in that department. Strider was great last year and any other year probably wins it. But the correct call was made without a doubt.
Thanks for just brushing off my opinion. I noticed the stat that you primarily mentioned in your other posts was WAR as well. I disagree with that assessment and the way you seem to have come to it. For position players, I typically like OPS and ERA with pitchers. I think Harris was just under 9 OPS with a league average of 7. Great for a rookie, very good for a vet. Strider's ERA was 2.65 with a league average of 3.96. Add his .99 WHIP and, I feel, Strider had a better rookie season than Harris. Once again, my opinion. So, no they didn't get it right.
But since you love WAR so much, Strider was 4.9 to Harris' 4.8. And Strider only started 20 games. I could be wrong, from my experience, which is just ok at best, Pitcher WAR is typically lower than position players.
Strider had a 3.7 WAR and Michael Harris was 5.6. That’s nearly a difference of 2 WAR. Not sure where you’re getting your info but mine is via Baseball Reference and their fangraphs WAR totals are also similar to the Baseball reference site. Those are the only 2 sites that you can use for WAR. Any other site that you are quoting is not relevant this includes ESPN or cbssports. Those sites do not calculate WAR properly. All the major stat sites use the two i referenced.
As a Mets fan both these players being good makes me angry lol
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerI didn't look at his numbers and concede June didn't make up for a mediocre beginning to the season. I'm not a fan of his and think he's a little overrated. Good player, but overrated. Strider deserved the ROTY over him last year as well. I fell into the trap of thinking recent rather than total. Which happened a lot this year.
Strider should’ve been the ROY last year? Nah, I’m pretty sure the correct choice was made. Harris led all of baseball in WAR for rookies and he didn’t even play a whole season. Had he played the whole season he was looking at all time rookie records in that department. Strider was great last year and any other year probably wins it. But the correct call was made without a doubt.
Thanks for just brushing off my opinion. I noticed the stat that you primarily mentioned in your other posts was WAR as well. I disagree with that assessment and the way you seem to have come to it. For position players, I typically like OPS and ERA with pitchers. I think Harris was just under 9 OPS with a league average of 7. Great for a rookie, very good for a vet. Strider's ERA was 2.65 with a league average of 3.96. Add his .99 WHIP and, I feel, Strider had a better rookie season than Harris. Once again, my opinion. So, no they didn't get it right.
But since you love WAR so much, Strider was 4.9 to Harris' 4.8. And Strider only started 20 games. I could be wrong, from my experience, which is just ok at best, Pitcher WAR is typically lower than position players.
Strider had a 3.7 WAR and Michael Harris was 5.6. That’s nearly a difference of 2 WAR. Not sure where you’re getting your info but mine is via Baseball Reference and their fangraphs WAR totals are also similar to the Baseball reference site. Those are the only 2 sites that you can use for WAR. Any other site that you are quoting is not relevant this includes ESPN or cbssports. Those sites do not calculate WAR properly. All the major stat sites use the two i referenced.
And the stats you mention make no sense. There is a stat called OPS+ which sort of encompasses all the other hitting stats and assigns a value to a particular player’s offensive season. League average is 100. Last year Michael Harris’ OPS+ was 136. In other words he was 36 percent better than league average. To put that into perspective 125 is an all star caliber hitter. As far as pitching is concerned era+ is the encapsulation of all the pitching stats and 100 is league average and strider was 156 last year or 56 percent better than league average. What neither of these stats takes into consideration is defense and what separates Harris to Strider is how Harris affects the game on both sides of the ball. That’s where WAR comes in which is where the separation between both of these Athletes come. That’s is why Harris has nearly 2 more WAR than Strider. I’m really not sure where your info is coming from. And another thing you have an opinion and I have an opinion. Neither opinion is wrong that’s why it’s an opinion. If you say someone else’s opinion is wrong it greatly devalues your opinion. My point is I believe the choice that Harris was chosen as the award recipient was spot on doesn’t mean your opinion is any less correct. I used the statistics to back my opinion. I’m not sure what stats you are using to make your argument because I know no stats where the number 7 is league average and 9 or whatever other number you used in the same sentence as era and ops.
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@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerI didn't look at his numbers and concede June didn't make up for a mediocre beginning to the season. I'm not a fan of his and think he's a little overrated. Good player, but overrated. Strider deserved the ROTY over him last year as well. I fell into the trap of thinking recent rather than total. Which happened a lot this year.
Strider should’ve been the ROY last year? Nah, I’m pretty sure the correct choice was made. Harris led all of baseball in WAR for rookies and he didn’t even play a whole season. Had he played the whole season he was looking at all time rookie records in that department. Strider was great last year and any other year probably wins it. But the correct call was made without a doubt.
Thanks for just brushing off my opinion. I noticed the stat that you primarily mentioned in your other posts was WAR as well. I disagree with that assessment and the way you seem to have come to it. For position players, I typically like OPS and ERA with pitchers. I think Harris was just under 9 OPS with a league average of 7. Great for a rookie, very good for a vet. Strider's ERA was 2.65 with a league average of 3.96. Add his .99 WHIP and, I feel, Strider had a better rookie season than Harris. Once again, my opinion. So, no they didn't get it right.
But since you love WAR so much, Strider was 4.9 to Harris' 4.8. And Strider only started 20 games. I could be wrong, from my experience, which is just ok at best, Pitcher WAR is typically lower than position players.
And pitching WAR is generally not lower than offensive war. A pitcher having a great season can easily put up 8-9 War in a season. A hitter having a great year will rarely ever see an 8 WAR. And please don’t bring up Ohtani. His case is much more nuanced than any other player and is an outlier.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerI didn't look at his numbers and concede June didn't make up for a mediocre beginning to the season. I'm not a fan of his and think he's a little overrated. Good player, but overrated. Strider deserved the ROTY over him last year as well. I fell into the trap of thinking recent rather than total. Which happened a lot this year.
Strider should’ve been the ROY last year? Nah, I’m pretty sure the correct choice was made. Harris led all of baseball in WAR for rookies and he didn’t even play a whole season. Had he played the whole season he was looking at all time rookie records in that department. Strider was great last year and any other year probably wins it. But the correct call was made without a doubt.
Thanks for just brushing off my opinion. I noticed the stat that you primarily mentioned in your other posts was WAR as well. I disagree with that assessment and the way you seem to have come to it. For position players, I typically like OPS and ERA with pitchers. I think Harris was just under 9 OPS with a league average of 7. Great for a rookie, very good for a vet. Strider's ERA was 2.65 with a league average of 3.96. Add his .99 WHIP and, I feel, Strider had a better rookie season than Harris. Once again, my opinion. So, no they didn't get it right.
But since you love WAR so much, Strider was 4.9 to Harris' 4.8. And Strider only started 20 games. I could be wrong, from my experience, which is just ok at best, Pitcher WAR is typically lower than position players.
And pitching WAR is generally not lower than offensive war. A pitcher having a great season can easily put up 8-9 War in a season. A hitter having a great year will rarely ever see an 8 WAR. And please don’t bring up Ohtani. His case is much more nuanced than any other player and is an outlier.
"And another thing you have an opinion and I have an opinion. Neither opinion is wrong that’s why it’s an opinion. If you say someone else’s opinion is wrong it greatly devalues your opinion." Ah precious, you should reread your first comment to me. Which is why I completely devalue your opinion.
My info came from fangraphs. I wanted to get it from mlb, but took more time than I wanted to spend. Yearly averages came from baseball-reference.com. Did you take you info from google without actually going to the website? Thank you for bolstering my opinion with OPS+ and ERA+ even though I was using that ratio without saying that it was that ratio. 3.96:2.65>9:7=1.49>1.28=Strider>Harris
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/spencer-strider/27498/stats?position=P
2022 ATL MLB 23 11 5 0 31 20 131.2 13.81 3.08 0.48 .292 74.1% 40.3% 6.8% 98.1 2.67 2.39 1.83 2.30 4.9
That last number is WAR. I'll trust them over "guy on internet."
Are you Michael Harris? If so, good month of June. Hope you keep improving. Also another reason to not trust "guy on internet,"
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/war?season=2022War is typically higher in position players than pitchers.
Harris' OPS of just under 9 and the league average of just over 7. If you don't understand rounding, I can explain it to you. That rounding would bolster your point, not mine, so I'm not sure why you brought it up.
Your, I'm hoping, ignorance is enough reason for me to not value your opinion.
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@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
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@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
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Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerI didn't look at his numbers and concede June didn't make up for a mediocre beginning to the season. I'm not a fan of his and think he's a little overrated. Good player, but overrated. Strider deserved the ROTY over him last year as well. I fell into the trap of thinking recent rather than total. Which happened a lot this year.
Strider should’ve been the ROY last year? Nah, I’m pretty sure the correct choice was made. Harris led all of baseball in WAR for rookies and he didn’t even play a whole season. Had he played the whole season he was looking at all time rookie records in that department. Strider was great last year and any other year probably wins it. But the correct call was made without a doubt.
Thanks for just brushing off my opinion. I noticed the stat that you primarily mentioned in your other posts was WAR as well. I disagree with that assessment and the way you seem to have come to it. For position players, I typically like OPS and ERA with pitchers. I think Harris was just under 9 OPS with a league average of 7. Great for a rookie, very good for a vet. Strider's ERA was 2.65 with a league average of 3.96. Add his .99 WHIP and, I feel, Strider had a better rookie season than Harris. Once again, my opinion. So, no they didn't get it right.
But since you love WAR so much, Strider was 4.9 to Harris' 4.8. And Strider only started 20 games. I could be wrong, from my experience, which is just ok at best, Pitcher WAR is typically lower than position players.
Harris' OPS of just under 9 and the league average of just over 7. If you don't understand rounding, I can explain it to you. That rounding would bolster your point, not mine, so I'm not sure why you brought it up.
Seriously dude what stat is this? OPS is on base plus slugging. For example suppose an arbitrary player has an on base percentage of .400 and a slugging percentage of .500 that would be represented as .900 OPS. And would be considered elite. The league average for this stat is around .720 what the hell numbers are you using. If a player has an OPS above 1 they’re having a truly historic season.
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@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
@Teak2112_MLBTS said in June Lightning:
@broken_toy1_PSN said in June Lightning:
Harris would deserve it before Acuna. With ASG and HD coming out Ohtani will probably be AS boss with Trout being team boss or vice versa. That could give way to Harris getting it because his ASG snub. Ohtani had one of the best months ever, for any year, in any sport. If Estevez made the ASG. it might be different. Acuna could easily get an ASG boss though.
Harris getting snubbed for the ASG is one of the more ridiculous things I've read in a while. Hes not remotely worthy (worthy of a good June PotM though)
Players did mess up the NL vote up bad though.
Marte -> Albies (did Bobby Cox somehow get to pick this?)
Nimmo -> Alonso (already have Olson as a second 1B and could use another OF)
Tatis -> Gurriel Jr
Steer -> Riley or SolerI didn't look at his numbers and concede June didn't make up for a mediocre beginning to the season. I'm not a fan of his and think he's a little overrated. Good player, but overrated. Strider deserved the ROTY over him last year as well. I fell into the trap of thinking recent rather than total. Which happened a lot this year.
Strider should’ve been the ROY last year? Nah, I’m pretty sure the correct choice was made. Harris led all of baseball in WAR for rookies and he didn’t even play a whole season. Had he played the whole season he was looking at all time rookie records in that department. Strider was great last year and any other year probably wins it. But the correct call was made without a doubt.
Thanks for just brushing off my opinion. I noticed the stat that you primarily mentioned in your other posts was WAR as well. I disagree with that assessment and the way you seem to have come to it. For position players, I typically like OPS and ERA with pitchers. I think Harris was just under 9 OPS with a league average of 7. Great for a rookie, very good for a vet. Strider's ERA was 2.65 with a league average of 3.96. Add his .99 WHIP and, I feel, Strider had a better rookie season than Harris. Once again, my opinion. So, no they didn't get it right.
But since you love WAR so much, Strider was 4.9 to Harris' 4.8. And Strider only started 20 games. I could be wrong, from my experience, which is just ok at best, Pitcher WAR is typically lower than position players.
And pitching WAR is generally not lower than offensive war. A pitcher having a great season can easily put up 8-9 War in a season. A hitter having a great year will rarely ever see an 8 WAR. And please don’t bring up Ohtani. His case is much more nuanced than any other player and is an outlier.
"And another thing you have an opinion and I have an opinion. Neither opinion is wrong that’s why it’s an opinion. If you say someone else’s opinion is wrong it greatly devalues your opinion." Ah precious, you should reread your first comment to me. Which is why I completely devalue your opinion.
My info came from fangraphs. I wanted to get it from mlb, but took more time than I wanted to spend. Yearly averages came from baseball-reference.com. Did you take you info from google without actually going to the website? Thank you for bolstering my opinion with OPS+ and ERA+ even though I was using that ratio without saying that it was that ratio. 3.96:2.65>9:7=1.49>1.28=Strider>Harris
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/spencer-strider/27498/stats?position=P
2022 ATL MLB 23 11 5 0 31 20 131.2 13.81 3.08 0.48 .292 74.1% 40.3% 6.8% 98.1 2.67 2.39 1.83 2.30 4.9
That last number is WAR. I'll trust them over "guy on internet."
Are you Michael Harris? If so, good month of June. Hope you keep improving. Also another reason to not trust "guy on internet,"
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/war?season=2022War is typically higher in position players than pitchers.
Harris' OPS of just under 9 and the league average of just over 7. If you don't understand rounding, I can explain it to you. That rounding would bolster your point, not mine, so I'm not sure why you brought it up.
Your, I'm hoping, ignorance is enough reason for me to not value your opinion.
Bud you’re ignorant and I’m done arguing with an idiot who can’t even explain what OPS. Have a good day being dumb. You’re clearly out of your league when it comes to saber metrics.
