Best part of Jeter being in the game...
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I just want to talk to the guy who was arguing that Jeter wouldn't sell more copies of the game.
The same Jeter who unveiled his cover on national television last night with millions watching.
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I look forward to SDS over rating his deservedly common defense to diamond.
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Listen, guys … I am from Germany … I follow Baseball since the 1991 World Series, got into SABR-metrics a little bit … My favourite players are Rickey Henderson and … Derek Jeter.
So, imo you can be a fan and still say this about Jeter:
- He probably never deserved any of his gold gloves (he played in the same league as Vizquel and A-Rod, who where clearly inferior) but got them being a Yankee (hey, even Palmeiro once got one playing a few dozens of mediocre defense there)
- He was a very very good Shortstop, if you combine everything he brought to the table, especially his baserunning (many times over 30 SBs is just one component, he ran the bases extremely well) and Career OPS of .817
- He is an awesome legend of the game (even if you do not like the Yankees, which a lot of you people seem to do. But that does not make him worse)
- He won 5 rings and was part of maybe the best dynasty baseball had in the last 30 years
- He had an 71.3 career WAR (Baseball-reference). The top 3 ever are Honus, Ripken and A-Rod, starting at 95 WAR. That sums his status as a shortstop up pretty well
- But still: He was awesome and it is effing awesome to have him in the game
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This is going to be a fun year of Derek Jeter slander when he performs/doesn't perform the way people want him to... it's going to be hilarious... I've wanted Jeter in the game for the longest and now that I'll most likely be online from launch I can't wait to find out how to get him and grind out Diamond Dynasty hopefully not spending as much money as I've spent in years past beyond purchasing the game.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
I look forward to SDS over rating his deservedly common defense to diamond.
Arthur Rhodes burner account detected!
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I’d have to say he’s one of the best hitters of my time. Wonder how his cards will look?
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@soonermagic78_XBL said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
I’d have to say he’s one of the best hitters of my time. Wonder how his cards will look?
People keep saying the defense won't be there, but Michael Young is statistically one of the worst defensive shortstops ever and his Retro Finest card from this past game has 86 Fielding.
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@SaveFarris_PSN said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@Mike__Honcho_361 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
How many players would you put in that circle
20-25. A Full Roster seems right and appropriate, no?
and where in this post did anyone say he is as Legendary as those guys?
You yourself called him an "all-time great player [who] did everything on the field". Maybe it's just semantics, but it sounded like you were placing him in the highest of echelons which I don't think he qualifies for.
I believe he is an all-time great player for many reasons having watched his entire career from start to finish.
I do not believe that puts him in the top-10 all time ranks of players to step on the field as the players you mentioned above.
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@SakAttack87_PSN said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
I look forward to SDS over rating his deservedly common defense to diamond.
Arthur Rhodes burner account detected!
He was a great contact hitter, leader, and winner. I get why so many will be excited to use him. But common defense is fair given that he is statistically the worst defensive shortstop of all time. He played way too long at SS and should have been moved to 2B/OF. Arthur Rhodes me all you want, but the numbers don’t lie.
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@SaveFarris_PSN said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@mubby_33_PSN said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
Now the question is who is the love child that everyone will want next?
I feel he’s next year. Current Gen systems only. Gotta swing hard. Jeter is huge but Bo….omg
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@SakAttack87_PSN said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
I look forward to SDS over rating his deservedly common defense to diamond.
Arthur Rhodes burner account detected!
He was a great contact hitter, leader, and winner. I get why so many will be excited to use him. But common defense is fair given that he is statistically the worst defensive shortstop of all time. He played way too long at SS and should have been moved to 2B/OF. Arthur Rhodes me all you want, but the numbers don’t lie.
Continually saying this won't make it true. Maybe in your head it does, but in reality, it doesn't make it true.
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@mikerob21_MLBTS said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@SakAttack87_PSN said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
I look forward to SDS over rating his deservedly common defense to diamond.
Arthur Rhodes burner account detected!
He was a great contact hitter, leader, and winner. I get why so many will be excited to use him. But common defense is fair given that he is statistically the worst defensive shortstop of all time. He played way too long at SS and should have been moved to 2B/OF. Arthur Rhodes me all you want, but the numbers don’t lie.
Continually saying this won't make it true. Maybe in your head it does, but in reality, it doesn't make it true.
Maybe try to support your assertion next time.
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Congrats to all you guys that love Jeter. It's a good thing. What may be a sad note for me is that he will probably have better hitting stats than one of my all time favorites Willie Mays. Just don't understand why his 99 card was so mediocre. Griffey's first 99 was a farce and it was fixed with his 99 Taki. I guess not enough people complained about Willie's. Anyway y'all enjoy your new Jeter cards.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@mikerob21_MLBTS said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@SakAttack87_PSN said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
I look forward to SDS over rating his deservedly common defense to diamond.
Arthur Rhodes burner account detected!
He was a great contact hitter, leader, and winner. I get why so many will be excited to use him. But common defense is fair given that he is statistically the worst defensive shortstop of all time. He played way too long at SS and should have been moved to 2B/OF. Arthur Rhodes me all you want, but the numbers don’t lie.
Continually saying this won't make it true. Maybe in your head it does, but in reality, it doesn't make it true.
Maybe try to support your assertion next time.
Honus was a worse SS. 10th all-time in errors committed by a SS. You can't use advanced metrics for him, so go by errors committed. He routinely booted balls. Your weird Yankee and Jeter hate don't make him as bad of a fielder as you want to make him out to be.
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@SakAttack87_PSN said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@soonermagic78_XBL said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
I’d have to say he’s one of the best hitters of my time. Wonder how his cards will look?
People keep saying the defense won't be there, but Michael Young is statistically one of the worst defensive shortstops ever and his Retro Finest card from this past game has 86 Fielding.
Gold defense would be fine. Young was a good ball player but shortstop wasn’t his spot. He did better on the corners. Hopefully Jeter will be a fun card.
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@mikerob21_MLBTS said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
Honus was a worse SS. 10th all-time in errors committed by a SS. You can't use advanced metrics for him, so go by errors committed. He routinely booted balls. Your weird Yankee and Jeter hate don't make him as bad of a fielder as you want to make him out to be.
Except errors aren't 1:1 because of playing conditions (Balls weren't subbed out every play. Grounds were a nightmare) in Honus's era. All Error totals prove is longevity.
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@SaveFarris_PSN said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@mikerob21_MLBTS said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
Honus was a worse SS. 10th all-time in errors committed by a SS. You can't use advanced metrics for him, so go by errors committed. He routinely booted balls. Your weird Yankee and Jeter hate don't make him as bad of a fielder as you want to make him out to be.
Except errors aren't 1:1 because of playing conditions (Balls weren't subbed out every play. Grounds were a nightmare) in Honus's era. All Error totals prove is longevity.
Correct !!!
Also: even I know, that Honus played in the dead ball era. The did not play on the finest fields and there were many more balls hit on the ground (which was most common then) … If you want to compare Jeter, do it to Ripken/Vizquel (have fun doing it). Next thing is: „… but Jeter has the rings“
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@mikerob21_MLBTS said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@mikerob21_MLBTS said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@SakAttack87_PSN said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
I look forward to SDS over rating his deservedly common defense to diamond.
Arthur Rhodes burner account detected!
He was a great contact hitter, leader, and winner. I get why so many will be excited to use him. But common defense is fair given that he is statistically the worst defensive shortstop of all time. He played way too long at SS and should have been moved to 2B/OF. Arthur Rhodes me all you want, but the numbers don’t lie.
Continually saying this won't make it true. Maybe in your head it does, but in reality, it doesn't make it true.
Maybe try to support your assertion next time.
Honus was a worse SS. 10th all-time in errors committed by a SS. You can't use advanced metrics for him, so go by errors committed. He routinely booted balls. Your weird Yankee and Jeter hate don't make him as bad of a fielder as you want to make him out to be.
No one is hating on Jeter. He was a great player, he was not a great fielder. People get too [censored] hurt when anyone criticizes Jeter or says anything other than he was the best player ever. Most great players have flaws, fielding was Jeters.
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We can all say whatever we want about his defense but at the end of the day he’s 1st ballot HoF, is an icon, and has more money than anyone one here will ever see. Willing to bet he doesn’t care what anyone thinks of his defense 15+ years ago.
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@Tusken_Raiderz said in Best part of Jeter being in the game...:
We can all say whatever we want about his defense but at the end of the day he’s 1st ballot HoF, is an icon, and has more money than anyone one here will ever see. Willing to bet he doesn’t care what anyone thinks of his defense 15+ years ago.
Captain obvious everybody
