Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low
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@kpdevine_xbl said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
Clay Holmes extends scoreless inning streak to 26
FA pickup in both of my fantasy leagues, absolutely has been amazing and carrying my bullpen.
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1131 ERA+ LOL
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He'll go up to Gold next update.
His biggest issue in reaching diamond is just how much emphasis SDS puts on the K/9 attribute. There are only 4 live series diamond relivers and they all have K/9 > 10. Holmes does not.
I have complained about it before. Their rating system has very little leeway for guys who are effective but do not get a ton of strikeouts. Adam Wainwright was 7th in the NL Cy Young last year and ended the regular season as an 80 because his K/9 rating was was only 56. He even won Pitcher of the Month in August last year and got a whopping +1 in the final roster upgrade of that month. It would be three more weeks before he even cracked gold.
Other stats like H/9 and BB/9 definitely matter but it really does seem like pitchers in this game live or die by their K/9 rating.
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My man just broke Mariano Rivers’s scoreless inning streak what does he have to do lol
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@kpdevine_xbl said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
My man just broke Mariano Rivers’s scoreless inning streak what does he have to do lol
Like I said in the previous message, he needs to strike out more. It is the same issue Alex Reyes had last year. He was the hottest closer in baseball up until the all star break, never gave up a run until his 16th appearance, ended june with a 0.91 ERA and never climbed above a silver because he was doing it without striking a lot of guys out.
There are now only 2 diamond relief pitchers, Josh Hader and Taylor Rogers
Josh Hader (91) with a 106 k/9 rating in game because he is striking out 15.1 batters per 9
Taylor Rogers (85) with a 75 K/9 rating in game because he is striking out 9.7 a game. He is helped by a 103 Hits/9 rating based on real life 5 hits per nine this year
Holmes is very close to Rogers in his ratings, just a tad lower on the k/9 attribute. I would expect the gap to close between them next update, but not sure if that means Clay gets bumped or Taylor gets downgraded. Or maybe both?
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Unless he gets blown up this week. The next roster update he will go up 4 overalls and be a 85 overall. I see Taylor Rogers potentially dropping to a 84.
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We’re so close y’all… hopefully one more week
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SDS uses 3 year averages for their upgrades and ratings...
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Dude, he could be the son of god and SDS would find a way keep him a silver.
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@t3baseball_psn said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
SDS uses 3 year averages for their upgrades and ratings...
Feels less applicable since the change has been since coming to New York and there’s a clear and continual pattern of good performance. Also SDS doesn’t always follow that.
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Is there an update tomorrow
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What does he have to do? Is being a top RP not enougu
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@kpdevine_xbl said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
What does he have to do? Is being a top RP not enough
No. Unfortunately not. That was proven by Alex Reyes in the first half of last year. He converted 22 consecutive saves was an all star and was still a silver rated player.
As mentioned before. ERA, # of Saves, even Scoreless innings make no impact on a relievers overall. K/9 is the most important stat/ratings along with hits per 9 (and maybe clutch)
Currently here are the 4 diamond live series closers and their k/9 and H/9 rating
- Josh Hader 106 and 124
- Edwin Diaz 114 and 98
- Taylor Rodgers 76 and 106
- Rasiel Iglesias 87 and 95
If Clay could get his k/9 rating up to 75 or 80 then he would make diamond. It is not just Holmes though as there are 5 pitchers either ranked 83 or 84 that could make the same argument.
Ryan Helsely actually has a good enough H/9 and K/9 ratings to be a diamond but they have his clutch rating really low (59). That number has not even been updated at all this year
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@dolenz_psn said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
@kpdevine_xbl said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
What does he have to do? Is being a top RP not enough
No. Unfortunately not. That was proven by Alex Reyes in the first half of last year. He converted 22 consecutive saves was an all star and was still a silver rated player.
As mentioned before. ERA, # of Saves, even Scoreless innings make no impact on a relievers overall. K/9 is the most important stat/ratings along with hits per 9 (and maybe clutch)
Currently here are the 4 diamond live series closers and their k/9 and H/9 rating
- Josh Hader 106 and 124
- Edwin Diaz 114 and 98
- Taylor Rodgers 76 and 106
- Rasiel Iglesias 87 and 95
If Clay could get his k/9 rating up to 75 or 80 then he would make diamond. It is not just Holmes though as there are 5 pitchers either ranked 83 or 84 that could make the same argument.
Ryan Helsely actually has a good enough H/9 and K/9 ratings to be a diamond but they have his clutch rating really low (59). That number has not even been updated at all this year
My counter argument is that there is a Holmes POTM who is a 91, clearly some boosts can be made, especially since he has performed nearly almost as good as that POTM the full season. Almost an 800 ERA+
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Stats that could change:
-78 HR/9… he literally hasn’t given up a home run this season, is maybe the best ground ball pitcher in baseball and has given up a whopping 2 home runs since coming to the Yankees
-67 control… uh what?
-75 clutch, been pretty much coming in in closing situations and oftentimes with guys on and forces outs or double plays
-H/9 could use like a +5 boost
Honestly hope we see him go to an 87 overall
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@kpdevine_xbl said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
-67 control… uh what?
I've never really thought about it before but how do the quantify control? If BB/9 is the measure of how often they walk people then what different stat modifies control?
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@dolenz_psn said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
@kpdevine_xbl said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
-67 control… uh what?
I've never really thought about it before but how do the quantify control? If BB/9 is the measure of how often they walk people then what different stat modifies control?
Honestly, no idea. Unless they look at a database that analyzes how often they hit corners vs mid of the zone (assume mistake in location) I'd have assumed its also based on a combo of walks issues, strikes taken, etc.
Not counting any historical adjustments, an interesting look at LS Hader and LS Holmes vs their current year stats.
Hader: H/9 Hr/9 BB/9 K/9
IRL 4.6 1.0 2.9 15.3
Game 124 63 54 106Holmes:
IRL 5.4 0.0 1.2 9.2
Game 99 78 84 67
POTM 111 99 99 72 -
@khain24_psn said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
@dolenz_psn said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
@kpdevine_xbl said in Clay Holmes is like 12 overalls too low:
-67 control… uh what?
I've never really thought about it before but how do the quantify control? If BB/9 is the measure of how often they walk people then what different stat modifies control?
Honestly, no idea. Unless they look at a database that analyzes how often they hit corners vs mid of the zone (assume mistake in location) I'd have assumed its also based on a combo of walks issues, strikes taken, etc.
Not counting any historical adjustments, an interesting look at LS Hader and LS Holmes vs their current year stats.
Hader: H/9 Hr/9 BB/9 K/9
IRL 4.6 1.0 2.9 15.3
Game 124 63 54 106Holmes:
IRL 5.4 0.0 1.2 9.2
Game 99 78 84 67
POTM 111 99 99 72Looks like LS could use a bit of a boost to an 86-87 overall
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Another GUTSYouting for Clay Holmes… left it all out there for the next roster update (tomorrow I presume)
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You’re obsessed man.
