Has there been a bigger snub
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Im going to have to agree. I really did not remember it being that big of a deal. But even if you want to use WAR number Helton was 2nd behind only Arod at 8.9, Kent was at 7.2. Defensively Kent was a terrible fielder. Kent was on the Giants at the time and they did win the West but lost to the Giants. I hate that voters take into account how the team does in Wins and Loses. Its not like Kent carried that team to the playoffs and won the World Series. The Giants had this guy named Bonds who apparently was pretty good, he liked to hit home runs and pitchers liked to walk him (intentionally) so they could face none other than.... Jeff Kent.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
3 pitchers were snubbed for the atrocity that was Rick Porcello's Cy Young in 2016
I remember that year. Britton was a leading story all year, ended the year only giving up 4 runs the entire season. Curious who you thought the 3 snubbed pitchers were. I would say verlander and britton for sure. who's your 3rd? Kluber?
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A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
I bet all my BFF's out here didn't realize I was a film buff. I'm quite the Renaissance man.
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@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
3 pitchers were snubbed for the atrocity that was Rick Porcello's Cy Young in 2016
I remember that year. Britton was a leading story all year, ended the year only giving up 4 runs the entire season. Curious who you thought the 3 snubbed pitchers were. I would say verlander and britton for sure. who's your 3rd? Kluber?
Yeah Kluber. Sale might even have been a better choice than Porcello. It's I'm fairly certain the only time in the history of CY young voting that someone that had more than 1 or 2 less 1st place votes won. Verlander had 14 first place votes to Porcello's 8. Thanks to 2 AL east beat writer losers that left Verlander off the ballot to give Porcello a chance
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@arvcpa_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
I bet all my BFF's out here didn't realize I was a film buff. I'm quite the Renaissance man.
Well more recently Shakespeare in love beat out Saving private Ryan. 20 years later one movie is thought to be an all time war classic the other no one remembers it being made
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@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
3 pitchers were snubbed for the atrocity that was Rick Porcello's Cy Young in 2016
I remember that year. Britton was a leading story all year, ended the year only giving up 4 runs the entire season. Curious who you thought the 3 snubbed pitchers were. I would say verlander and britton for sure. who's your 3rd? Kluber?
Yeah Kluber. Sale might even have been a better choice than Porcello. It's I'm fairly certain the only time in the history of CY young voting that someone that had more than 1 or 2 less 1st place votes won. Verlander had 14 first place votes to Porcello's 8. Thanks to 2 AL east beat writer losers that left Verlander off the ballot to give Porcello a chance
I can't stand baseball writers. So much of baseball is truly beyond me. Unathletic writers controlling awards and turning the HOF ballots into popularity contest and rumor mills, fans voting for the all stars, the top 2 teams having higher salaries than the bottom 2/3 of the league combined. Crazy game that somtimes feels like it hasn't adapted to the modern age imo.
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@quinnymcquinn_mlbts said in Has there been a bigger snub:
Well more recently Shakespeare in love beat out Saving private Ryan.
100%. I just re-watched Saving Private Ryan on Netflix last week. Great movie.
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@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
3 pitchers were snubbed for the atrocity that was Rick Porcello's Cy Young in 2016
I remember that year. Britton was a leading story all year, ended the year only giving up 4 runs the entire season. Curious who you thought the 3 snubbed pitchers were. I would say verlander and britton for sure. who's your 3rd? Kluber?
Yeah Kluber. Sale might even have been a better choice than Porcello. It's I'm fairly certain the only time in the history of CY young voting that someone that had more than 1 or 2 less 1st place votes won. Verlander had 14 first place votes to Porcello's 8. Thanks to 2 AL east beat writer losers that left Verlander off the ballot to give Porcello a chance
I can't stand baseball writers. So much of baseball is truly beyond me. Unathletic writers controlling awards and turning the HOF ballots into popularity contest and rumor mills, fans voting for the all stars, the top 2 teams having higher salaries than the bottom 2/3 of the league combined. Crazy game that somtimes feels like it hasn't adapted to the modern age imo.
Baseball is slow. The game is slow. Any changes, no matter how much sense they make are slow. Even something as simple as netting down the lines in the stands took years. Financially these top market teams make these bottom 2/3 payroll teams profitable. So the owners aren’t in a rush to change that. Don’t even mention a salary cap. That’s taboo.
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@quinnymcquinn_mlbts said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
3 pitchers were snubbed for the atrocity that was Rick Porcello's Cy Young in 2016
I remember that year. Britton was a leading story all year, ended the year only giving up 4 runs the entire season. Curious who you thought the 3 snubbed pitchers were. I would say verlander and britton for sure. who's your 3rd? Kluber?
Yeah Kluber. Sale might even have been a better choice than Porcello. It's I'm fairly certain the only time in the history of CY young voting that someone that had more than 1 or 2 less 1st place votes won. Verlander had 14 first place votes to Porcello's 8. Thanks to 2 AL east beat writer losers that left Verlander off the ballot to give Porcello a chance
I can't stand baseball writers. So much of baseball is truly beyond me. Unathletic writers controlling awards and turning the HOF ballots into popularity contest and rumor mills, fans voting for the all stars, the top 2 teams having higher salaries than the bottom 2/3 of the league combined. Crazy game that somtimes feels like it hasn't adapted to the modern age imo.
Baseball is slow. The game is slow. Any changes, no matter how much sense they make are slow. Even something as simple as netting down the lines in the stands took years. Financially these top market teams make these bottom 2/3 payroll teams profitable. So the owners aren’t in a rush to change that. Don’t even mention a salary cap. That’s taboo.
Taboo or not it would make the league better to have a cap and a salary floor. I don't belive the low budget teams are low budget, billionairs didn't become billionaires by owning non profitable organizations. They are just to happy to tank and rake in all the sweet profit sharing money. Ultimately the fans pay the price. Sorry Pirates fans
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@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@quinnymcquinn_mlbts said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
3 pitchers were snubbed for the atrocity that was Rick Porcello's Cy Young in 2016
I remember that year. Britton was a leading story all year, ended the year only giving up 4 runs the entire season. Curious who you thought the 3 snubbed pitchers were. I would say verlander and britton for sure. who's your 3rd? Kluber?
Yeah Kluber. Sale might even have been a better choice than Porcello. It's I'm fairly certain the only time in the history of CY young voting that someone that had more than 1 or 2 less 1st place votes won. Verlander had 14 first place votes to Porcello's 8. Thanks to 2 AL east beat writer losers that left Verlander off the ballot to give Porcello a chance
I can't stand baseball writers. So much of baseball is truly beyond me. Unathletic writers controlling awards and turning the HOF ballots into popularity contest and rumor mills, fans voting for the all stars, the top 2 teams having higher salaries than the bottom 2/3 of the league combined. Crazy game that somtimes feels like it hasn't adapted to the modern age imo.
Baseball is slow. The game is slow. Any changes, no matter how much sense they make are slow. Even something as simple as netting down the lines in the stands took years. Financially these top market teams make these bottom 2/3 payroll teams profitable. So the owners aren’t in a rush to change that. Don’t even mention a salary cap. That’s taboo.
Taboo or not it would make the league better to have a cap and a salary floor. I don't belive the low budget teams are low budget, billionairs didn't become billionaires by owning non profitable organizations. They are just to happy to tank and rake in all the sweet profit sharing money. Ultimately the fans pay the price. Sorry Pirates fans
PREACH! I’m with you. At the end of the day the players and owners want money. I’m not a financial wiz, I don’t know the structuring of how a cap would impact the bottom line. I feel like you got millionaire players with their high end agents protecting the top earners and owners happy to oblige. So top players don’t want a cap. Owners don’t want a cap. I can speak to my own fandom and I’d like to see a cap.
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@quinnymcquinn_mlbts said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@arvcpa_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
I bet all my BFF's out here didn't realize I was a film buff. I'm quite the Renaissance man.
Well more recently Shakespeare in love beat out Saving private Ryan. 20 years later one movie is thought to be an all time war classic the other no one remembers it being made
️The first 20-30 minutes of Saving Private Ryan with surround sound cranked up is AMAZING.
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@arvcpa_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
I'm going to go with... the Mets made the playoffs and the Rockies did not.
And... Coors field "stigma"..
Yup, that's how I saw in 2000
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@quinnymcquinn_mlbts said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
3 pitchers were snubbed for the atrocity that was Rick Porcello's Cy Young in 2016
I remember that year. Britton was a leading story all year, ended the year only giving up 4 runs the entire season. Curious who you thought the 3 snubbed pitchers were. I would say verlander and britton for sure. who's your 3rd? Kluber?
Yeah Kluber. Sale might even have been a better choice than Porcello. It's I'm fairly certain the only time in the history of CY young voting that someone that had more than 1 or 2 less 1st place votes won. Verlander had 14 first place votes to Porcello's 8. Thanks to 2 AL east beat writer losers that left Verlander off the ballot to give Porcello a chance
I can't stand baseball writers. So much of baseball is truly beyond me. Unathletic writers controlling awards and turning the HOF ballots into popularity contest and rumor mills, fans voting for the all stars, the top 2 teams having higher salaries than the bottom 2/3 of the league combined. Crazy game that somtimes feels like it hasn't adapted to the modern age imo.
Baseball is slow. The game is slow. Any changes, no matter how much sense they make are slow. Even something as simple as netting down the lines in the stands took years. Financially these top market teams make these bottom 2/3 payroll teams profitable. So the owners aren’t in a rush to change that. Don’t even mention a salary cap. That’s taboo.
League needs a Salary floor. The whole small market/big market nonsense is just an excuse for owners to be cheap. There is no such thing as small market teams in anything but baseball
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Not sure if its bigger, but still think Altuve winning it in 2017 over Judge was laughable imo. Especially since baseball has moved to advance metrics and OPS as a better indicator of performance over batting average.
Altuve had the advantage in hits/average and like stolen bases. Judge led in everything else that was meaningful. Not only did he set the rookie HR record (until Alonso the following year), he lead the league in runs, hrs, BBs (and yes Ks). Not to mention the Yankees were a year removed from missing the playoffs and finishing 4th and expected to finish last in the ALE, yet won 91 games (2nd place ALE) and went all the way to the CS. The man literally carried that Yankees team.
Altuve - WAR 7.7 , .346 / .410 / .547 / .957 - 112 R, 204H, 24 HR, 81 RBI, 58 BB, 84K
Judge - WAR 8.0, .284 / .422 / .627 / 1.049 - 128 R, 154H 52 HR, 114 RBI, 127BB, 208K -
@khain24_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
Not sure if its bigger, but still think Altuve winning it in 2017 over Judge was laughable imo. Especially since baseball has moved to advance metrics and OPS as a better indicator of performance over batting average.
Altuve had the advantage in hits/average and like stolen bases. Judge led in everything else that was meaningful. Not only did he set the rookie HR record (until Alonso the following year), he lead the league in runs, hrs, BBs (and yes Ks). Not to mention the Yankees were a year removed from missing the playoffs and finishing 4th and expected to finish last in the ALE, yet won 91 games (2nd place ALE) and went all the way to the CS. The man literally carried that Yankees team.
Altuve - WAR 7.7 , .346 / .410 / .547 / .957 - 112 R, 204H, 24 HR, 81 RBI, 58 BB, 84K
Judge - WAR 8.0, .284 / .422 / .627 / 1.049 - 128 R, 154H 52 HR, 114 RBI, 127BB, 208KI'm an astros fan and even I agree judge should have been mvp that year. I felt like they gave it to altuve because of the years he had strung together. Also they knew judge was going to be hands down roty.
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@arvcpa_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
Yeah I used to think that also. However, while CK is legendary, HGWMV was like this year's Derby winner, who had his epic moment. HGWMV is an excellent film regarding Welsh miners. The economic, social, and family dynamics were well depicted and still relevant today. Both are excellent films.
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Iron Maiden not being in the 'Rock And Roll HOF '
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@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@khain24_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
Not sure if its bigger, but still think Altuve winning it in 2017 over Judge was laughable imo. Especially since baseball has moved to advance metrics and OPS as a better indicator of performance over batting average.
Altuve had the advantage in hits/average and like stolen bases. Judge led in everything else that was meaningful. Not only did he set the rookie HR record (until Alonso the following year), he lead the league in runs, hrs, BBs (and yes Ks). Not to mention the Yankees were a year removed from missing the playoffs and finishing 4th and expected to finish last in the ALE, yet won 91 games (2nd place ALE) and went all the way to the CS. The man literally carried that Yankees team.
Altuve - WAR 7.7 , .346 / .410 / .547 / .957 - 112 R, 204H, 24 HR, 81 RBI, 58 BB, 84K
Judge - WAR 8.0, .284 / .422 / .627 / 1.049 - 128 R, 154H 52 HR, 114 RBI, 127BB, 208KI'm an astros fan and even I agree judge should have been mvp that year. I felt like they gave it to altuve because of the years he had strung together. Also they knew judge was going to be hands down roty.
I think it was due to Judges slump in 2nd part of July and really really bad August after the AS break/HRD. Altuve was consistent but Judge had the above stats after factoring in his Aug -- .185 / .353 / .326 / .680 with only 3 HRs. He then rebounded in Sept with an average over .300 and OPS of 1.352 (15HRs). If he had even a marginally better August, he'd hit 60+ hrs and still have the rookie record.
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@thegoaler_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
Iron Maiden not being in the 'Rock And Roll HOF '
Complete joke.Agree. There's a few of those including Motley. The fact that they want to put Dolly Parton in is laughable.
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@quinnymcquinn_mlbts said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@arvcpa_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
I bet all my BFF's out here didn't realize I was a film buff. I'm quite the Renaissance man.
Well more recently Shakespeare in love beat out Saving private Ryan. 20 years later one movie is thought to be an all time war classic the other no one remembers it being made
️Hey I like Shakespeare on Love.
I mean Saving Private Ryan in the superior film. But I like Shakespeare better.
