PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches)
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@hoffsdrawlar_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I dislike using the analog for pitching so I have stayed away from PPP. I have tried it but I always come back to meter. If you make a slight mistake with meter it seems to hang more often than not. Even when it is perfect it still hangs sometimes.
I use meter w/ classic and it is an art as well. Alot of factors go into pitching good with meter .Which is why i think the PAR on pitches need adjusting and movement on the 9 squares need adjusting. The squares are close, but i think if PAR on pitches were adjusted the movement from the squares would likely fall into place.
Which in turn gives the player more confidence to feel like they could throw anywhere in the zone with right pitch type of course.
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@aam34_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@nflman2033_mlbts said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I hear that about PPP, man anyone who masters it perfectly every time. I give them credit. The drawing part is easy, it's that timed release that messes me up. And when I don't hit that time perfectly I get rocked. Forget PAR, its all over the place. I walk more guys now because I can't always time that release.
I would slam the stick down and get a yellow or red bar every time but if you move it down slow it works a lot better.
I can try that, but it just seems like I don't have a good grasp of when to start bringing the stick down.
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@matt_42187_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@aam34_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I got a chance to play several hours of RS and also events this weekend. Almost every opponent I played could split a hair on a dogs backside with pinpoint pitching. The fact that you never get anything down the middle of the plate is boring and unrealistic. Chapman who is known for his lack of control lives on the black. Again this is unrealistic and hopefully gets addressed in a future update.
Does anyone else feel as though pitching is too easy for some? Or is there an element of the game I am missing which make my opponents pitching OP? Thanks!
Pitching with PPP has become much more difficult this year than last. A lot of people are complaining there are too many meatball pitches for barely missing your timing with PPP. I can attest to that because I'm pretty good with PPP. Another reason why it's not as easy this year is because people have a hard time throwing pitches in the dirt on 0-2/1-2 counts. They tend to hang around the bottom of the zone this year.
Yes, this is my experience, I leave way too much hanging compared to other years. If people are painting corners perfectly as the OP said than they have masters PPP, more power to them.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@kovz88_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I think the concept of the dynamic par for pitches like the sinker high in the zone is a great idea, just hasn't been very effective as implemented. If they could make that work better it would help a lot. For me I actually think they need to shrink the PAR size for a majority of pitches while at the same time increasing the difficulty of getting a perfect pitch.
Shrinking par is what makes it easier to pinpoint the pitches. PAR needs to be bigger in the parts of the zone where pitches are not normally thrown. A Sinker up in the zone should never sink it should come in flat and slower. Same goes for any breaking ball up in the zone.
I could see a slider up n away having some late movement if placed right, but their is a reason they call them hangers. I agree the PAR concept is great, but i think pitches need adjuststing along with each of the 9 squares, not the pitching modes themselves.
Agreed high sinkers should turn into 4seam fb. Its just not realistic.
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@nflman2033_mlbts said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@matt_42187_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@aam34_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I got a chance to play several hours of RS and also events this weekend. Almost every opponent I played could split a hair on a dogs backside with pinpoint pitching. The fact that you never get anything down the middle of the plate is boring and unrealistic. Chapman who is known for his lack of control lives on the black. Again this is unrealistic and hopefully gets addressed in a future update.
Does anyone else feel as though pitching is too easy for some? Or is there an element of the game I am missing which make my opponents pitching OP? Thanks!
Pitching with PPP has become much more difficult this year than last. A lot of people are complaining there are too many meatball pitches for barely missing your timing with PPP. I can attest to that because I'm pretty good with PPP. Another reason why it's not as easy this year is because people have a hard time throwing pitches in the dirt on 0-2/1-2 counts. They tend to hang around the bottom of the zone this year.
Yes, this is my experience, I leave way too much hanging compared to other years. If people are painting corners perfectly as the OP said than they have masters PPP, more power to them.
I haven't played anyone who isn't a PPP master it seems like. Maybe I haven't played enough yet. LOL
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@aam34_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@nflman2033_mlbts said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@matt_42187_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@aam34_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I got a chance to play several hours of RS and also events this weekend. Almost every opponent I played could split a hair on a dogs backside with pinpoint pitching. The fact that you never get anything down the middle of the plate is boring and unrealistic. Chapman who is known for his lack of control lives on the black. Again this is unrealistic and hopefully gets addressed in a future update.
Does anyone else feel as though pitching is too easy for some? Or is there an element of the game I am missing which make my opponents pitching OP? Thanks!
Pitching with PPP has become much more difficult this year than last. A lot of people are complaining there are too many meatball pitches for barely missing your timing with PPP. I can attest to that because I'm pretty good with PPP. Another reason why it's not as easy this year is because people have a hard time throwing pitches in the dirt on 0-2/1-2 counts. They tend to hang around the bottom of the zone this year.
Yes, this is my experience, I leave way too much hanging compared to other years. If people are painting corners perfectly as the OP said than they have masters PPP, more power to them.
I haven't played anyone who isn't a PPP master it seems like. Maybe I haven't played enough yet. LOL
More than likely. These people in RS, especially 700+ are great players and spend time mastering the game. SDS heard all the complaints last year and made it harder and they will still master it.
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@guccigangchuck said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@aam34_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@guccigangchuck said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
sinkers have a complete different timing window, they didnt fix high sinkers at all, kind of my only complaint.
That and no meatballs or mistake pitches. If you miss or mess up with PPP its just a ball. If you are waiting for something to hit you will be waiting all day
we had that in 20 with analog, but all the top players complained. I actually dont mind the fact that if you mess up on a input a pitch hangs, i'm a very patient hitter, but get bored taking balls that sometimes i'll just start swinging
This is precisely my argument. Its so boring being a patient hitter in 22.
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@aam34_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@kovz88_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I think the concept of the dynamic par for pitches like the sinker high in the zone is a great idea, just hasn't been very effective as implemented. If they could make that work better it would help a lot. For me I actually think they need to shrink the PAR size for a majority of pitches while at the same time increasing the difficulty of getting a perfect pitch.
Larger PAR on sinkers doesn't work at all. I still get dotted to death. They really need to take a hard look at gameplay in general. Also ranked seasons needs an overhaul as its been the same for many years.
What would you change in RS? Wasn’t the inning substitute just added last year?
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Yes but it is unrealistic. There is no way I can play 350 innings per season. Especially with rage quits. They should do a rewards ladder like they added in BR. Also missions with specific players that give you points once completed. That would keep me wanting to play. After grinding hours of RS yesterday it just wasn't fun. I don't care if I win or loose I just want to have fun with the game. I have way more fun in events and completing collections no money spent.
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@aam34_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@guccigangchuck said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@aam34_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@guccigangchuck said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
sinkers have a complete different timing window, they didnt fix high sinkers at all, kind of my only complaint.
That and no meatballs or mistake pitches. If you miss or mess up with PPP its just a ball. If you are waiting for something to hit you will be waiting all day
we had that in 20 with analog, but all the top players complained. I actually dont mind the fact that if you mess up on a input a pitch hangs, i'm a very patient hitter, but get bored taking balls that sometimes i'll just start swinging
This is precisely my argument. Its so boring being a patient hitter in 22.
im at the point where if i wanted to walk or go 3-2 every time i could, i get its suppose to be like this, but golly a sinker that gets hung would be nice.
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@aam34_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
Yes but it is unrealistic. There is no way I can play 350 innings per season. Especially with rage quits. They should do a rewards ladder like they added in BR. Also missions with specific players that give you points once completed. That would keep me wanting to play. After grinding hours of RS yesterday it just wasn't fun. I don't care if I win or loose I just want to have fun with the game. I have way more fun in events and completing collections no money spent.
the 350 inning is equal to about 2 games a day for a month, its not that bad.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@kovz88_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I think the concept of the dynamic par for pitches like the sinker high in the zone is a great idea, just hasn't been very effective as implemented. If they could make that work better it would help a lot. For me I actually think they need to shrink the PAR size for a majority of pitches while at the same time increasing the difficulty of getting a perfect pitch.
Shrinking par is what makes it easier to pinpoint the pitches. PAR needs to be bigger in the parts of the zone where pitches are not normally thrown. A Sinker up in the zone should never sink it should come in flat and slower. Same goes for any breaking ball up in the zone.
I could see a slider up n away having some late movement if placed right, but thier is a reason they call them hangers. I agree the PAR concept is great, but i think pitches need adjuststing along with each of the 9 squares, not the pitching modes themselves.
I don’t think they should make the PAR bigger, they just need to make it harder. I’d prefer a small par if you are able to execute something that is difficult in order to keep the pitch in the PAR.
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Honestly, I think the idea of pitches is totally missed. The reason a high sinker IRL is easier to hit is the moment. The pitch doesn't break like a sinker down in the zone does when it's up high. It tends to just "hang" and that's why it's hit harder. Same with sliders or curve balls. If you throw one up high, it's just not going to break. It's going to have some spin, but it's going to appear to have little to no movement. When guys freeze on a slider up in the zone it's because they're looking for something else and the pitch looks so bad they freeze. The issue in the game isn't that PAR needs to be bigger and give people more meatballs. It's not that pitching needs to be harder, because pinpoint isn't easy and takes lots of practice. It's that pitches need to move appropriately based on where they're thrown. Sinkers up still break like a sinker down causing the pitch to be much harder to hit, especially with the velocity.
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Sinkers are still absolute [censored] in this game. Broken [censored] pitch.
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sinkers are broken, they come out the pitchers hand like a breaking pitch. It goes up out the hand and then sinks.....real life it comes out like a fastball and sinks. It throughs my timing off thinking it is a slider or curve...also as the other guy stated, there doesn't seem to be real penalty for throwing off speed high or sinkers high, in real life those balls will be easy to hit. The stupid thing is that I seem to hit low balls better than high regardless of the pitch, this isn't necessarily odd because some guys are better low ball hitters, but still you would think a high change or sinker would be like a beach ball coming up there
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Considering I've played 9 or 10 RS games this year and I've had a perfect game in my first outting (I beat him 12-0 in 8 innings) and another game I had a perfect into the 7th when he quit, tells you a lot. That's on veteran too when I first started playing RS. I haven't played in a while but I'm like 8-1 or 9-1 right now, I think. All other games I've given up 3 runs at the most, except my single loss game where I got mercy'd, lol.
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@codywolfgang_xbl said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@grizzbear55_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@kovz88_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I think the concept of the dynamic par for pitches like the sinker high in the zone is a great idea, just hasn't been very effective as implemented. If they could make that work better it would help a lot. For me I actually think they need to shrink the PAR size for a majority of pitches while at the same time increasing the difficulty of getting a perfect pitch.
Shrinking par is what makes it easier to pinpoint the pitches. PAR needs to be bigger in the parts of the zone where pitches are not normally thrown. A Sinker up in the zone should never sink it should come in flat and slower. Same goes for any breaking ball up in the zone.
I could see a slider up n away having some late movement if placed right, but thier is a reason they call them hangers. I agree the PAR concept is great, but i think pitches need adjuststing along with each of the 9 squares, not the pitching modes themselves.
I don’t think they should make the PAR bigger, they just need to make it harder. I’d prefer a small par if you are able to execute something that is difficult in order to keep the pitch in the PAR.
Maybe i worded it wrong, hard to explain what i'm seeing and then explain in writing. I don't think PAR itself should be bigger across the board.
The way i pitch w/ meter/classic each one of the 9 squares within the zone has it's own movement for every pitch. Same with the 12 outside zones, and depending on elevation you get a different result which is good. PAR also looks different in each of the zones.
However pitches like sinker high is not reacting the same way a hanging curve or hanging chaneup does in low part of zone and it should.
My reasoning for Making PAR bigger on the sinker high and other inapproprite pitches up in zone is so it is more inaccurate. Not neccisarily turn it into a meatball, but rather more apt to be out of zone. But i also think PAR should be smaller for some of the lower squares on some pitches. Which in turn would cut back on the High Meta pitches while also providing good movement/location of pitches within the zone.
Hope i explained where i was coming from better. I can see what i'm talking about better than explaining in writing.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@codywolfgang_xbl said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@grizzbear55_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@kovz88_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I think the concept of the dynamic par for pitches like the sinker high in the zone is a great idea, just hasn't been very effective as implemented. If they could make that work better it would help a lot. For me I actually think they need to shrink the PAR size for a majority of pitches while at the same time increasing the difficulty of getting a perfect pitch.
Shrinking par is what makes it easier to pinpoint the pitches. PAR needs to be bigger in the parts of the zone where pitches are not normally thrown. A Sinker up in the zone should never sink it should come in flat and slower. Same goes for any breaking ball up in the zone.
I could see a slider up n away having some late movement if placed right, but thier is a reason they call them hangers. I agree the PAR concept is great, but i think pitches need adjuststing along with each of the 9 squares, not the pitching modes themselves.
I don’t think they should make the PAR bigger, they just need to make it harder. I’d prefer a small par if you are able to execute something that is difficult in order to keep the pitch in the PAR.
Maybe i worded it wrong, hard to explain what i'm seeing and then explain in writing. I don't think PAR itself should be bigger across the board.
The way i pitch w/ meter/classic each one of the 9 squares within the zone has it's own movement for every pitch. Same with the 12 outside zones, and depending on elevation you get a different result which is good. PAR also looks different in each of the zones.
However pitches like sinker high is not reacting the same way a hanging curve or hanging chaneup does in low part of zone and it should.
My reasoning for Making PAR bigger on the sinker high and other inapproprite pitches up in zone is so it is more inaccurate. Not neccisarily turn it into a meatball, but rather more apt to be out of zone. But i also think PAR should be smaller for some of the lower squares on some pitches. Which in turn would cut back on the High Meta pitches while also providing good movement/location of pitches within the zone.
Hope i explained where i was coming from better. I can see what i'm talking about better than explaining in writing.
They did that already for PPP anyways.
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@codywolfgang_xbl said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@grizzbear55_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@codywolfgang_xbl said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@grizzbear55_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
@kovz88_psn said in PITCHING IS TOO EASY (too many pitchers pitches):
I think the concept of the dynamic par for pitches like the sinker high in the zone is a great idea, just hasn't been very effective as implemented. If they could make that work better it would help a lot. For me I actually think they need to shrink the PAR size for a majority of pitches while at the same time increasing the difficulty of getting a perfect pitch.
Shrinking par is what makes it easier to pinpoint the pitches. PAR needs to be bigger in the parts of the zone where pitches are not normally thrown. A Sinker up in the zone should never sink it should come in flat and slower. Same goes for any breaking ball up in the zone.
I could see a slider up n away having some late movement if placed right, but thier is a reason they call them hangers. I agree the PAR concept is great, but i think pitches need adjuststing along with each of the 9 squares, not the pitching modes themselves.
I don’t think they should make the PAR bigger, they just need to make it harder. I’d prefer a small par if you are able to execute something that is difficult in order to keep the pitch in the PAR.
Maybe i worded it wrong, hard to explain what i'm seeing and then explain in writing. I don't think PAR itself should be bigger across the board.
The way i pitch w/ meter/classic each one of the 9 squares within the zone has it's own movement for every pitch. Same with the 12 outside zones, and depending on elevation you get a different result which is good. PAR also looks different in each of the zones.
However pitches like sinker high is not reacting the same way a hanging curve or hanging chaneup does in low part of zone and it should.
My reasoning for Making PAR bigger on the sinker high and other inapproprite pitches up in zone is so it is more inaccurate. Not neccisarily turn it into a meatball, but rather more apt to be out of zone. But i also think PAR should be smaller for some of the lower squares on some pitches. Which in turn would cut back on the High Meta pitches while also providing good movement/location of pitches within the zone.
Hope i explained where i was coming from better. I can see what i'm talking about better than explaining in writing.
They did that already for PPP anyways.
Are you sure? Why would they change it one mode and none of the others? I'm talking about adjustment to what is already in place. They haven't adjusted anything in this regard since launch that i am aware of.
