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No, the worst is actually when you get up 2 strikes. Dot your pitch on the black 3 times and get check swings that obviously fooled your opponent and they're all called balls. Then they foul off a couple until they draw a walk or get a blooper and then hit a HR with the next batter on a pitch away that they pull for a no doubt HR. Follow it up the next inning when you're hitting and get a perfect/perfect fly out to the warning track with Soto or Griffey.
Pitch location should absolutely, 100% of the time be user input based. The argument that it would take away the b/9 and control ratings isn't valid. That's up to the game developers to make pitching harder. Make the targets we have to hit smaller/bigger based on b/9. Make the meters move faster/slower based on control. If those aren't options, think outside the box. RNG based pitching is the easy out way of saying b/9 and control matter. On top of that, if they want it to be so RNG based, then things for hitting have to be tweaked. Pitches on the black, have to be called strikes and swings where the PCI isn't touching the ball should always be whiffs, no exceptions. At least doing that shortens some AB's and doesn't give the hitter an excess amount of chances to get a random hanger, and don't even get me started on check swings. No MLB player can check swing at 4 pitches and not get rung up. Home plate or 1b ump is punching that guy out on principle after 2 check swings.
I've had Judge who is a diamond (90+ fielding rating) have 5 missed catches because he doesn't lock onto the ball or because he gets the animation where he's camped under it but starts looking around like he can't find it and it falls behind him. Infielders have way too many errors as well. I don't understand how this game has the same problems at the beginning of every single year.
How about fixing pitching? The randomness of pitching has made things even worse. Go back and play MLB 17 or even 18 and see how many times you hit your spot and the pitch goes middle middle or hangs up a ton when you’re throwing below the zone. Hitting will always be somewhat random, but pitching should be 100% user input based as far as pitches going to the location you’re throwing to.
Pitching is so jacked up this year. Even last year when they started moving towards more of the RNG pitching inputs, I could figure out where I needed to release the ball as far as early/late or left/right of the release points (analog) to get the ball to go where I wanted to. This year it's totally random. One game FOTF Oriel is dotting everything where I throw it. Next game my inputs don't matter, he simply is going to hang 6-10 meatballs. It's super frustrating, especially against when that's the only reason your opponent hangs in games.
@Maverick31762 said in Randomized hitting.:
@DanTheThriller said in Randomized hitting.: @theu715 said in Randomized hitting.: How about fixing pitching? The randomness of pitching has made things even worse. Go back and play MLB 17 or even 18 and see how many times you hit your spot and the pitch goes middle middle or hangs up a ton when you’re throwing below the zone. Hitting will always be somewhat random, but pitching should be 100% user input based as far as pitches going to the location you’re throwing to. Yeah, I've lost A LOT of games to a perfect pitches completely missing their spot: how do we account for doing everything right and RNG taking over? Baseball has more chance elements than other sports Player ratings impact outcomes in conjunction with user input Pitchers missing spots isn’t always a function of mechanics. Pitch confidence is real. If you have low pitch confidence and you throw a pitch bad things happen. Regardless of player ratings and user input. There are elements of hitting that arent acuratwly captures in the hitting mechanic.
@DanTheThriller said in Randomized hitting.:
@theu715 said in Randomized hitting.: How about fixing pitching? The randomness of pitching has made things even worse. Go back and play MLB 17 or even 18 and see how many times you hit your spot and the pitch goes middle middle or hangs up a ton when you’re throwing below the zone. Hitting will always be somewhat random, but pitching should be 100% user input based as far as pitches going to the location you’re throwing to. Yeah, I've lost A LOT of games to a perfect pitches completely missing their spot: how do we account for doing everything right and RNG taking over?
@theu715 said in Randomized hitting.:
Yeah, I've lost A LOT of games to a perfect pitches completely missing their spot: how do we account for doing everything right and RNG taking over?
While everything you said is true. It’s also obvious that this game just forces meatballs, hangers, and pitches to completely miss the location.
If I hit my target perfectly, the pitch should go where I was aiming every single time.
Seriously though, the game is just too random.
@Kovz88 said in Hard for me to have fun anymore....:
This is actually the problem, too many people think they are better at the game than they actually are and therefore they buy into all the conspiracy theories. I know its hard for people to accept but most of us will never even sniff the top 50.
I understand to an extent the idea that some people think they're better than they are. At the same time, there are issues in the game that keep some people from reaching their potential in RS. I by no means believe I'm a top 50 player. I do believe that I could make WS, but never have. This year I've never put the time into trying. 716 last season was highest I've been. I play better on HOF than I do on AS, but it takes me forever to get out of AS.
Again, not saying I'm incredible, but I get "good" timing and have my PCI in good locations of the ball consistently, but I rarely get the HR results. This game plays HR or bust when it comes to winning games and I only seem to get HR on perfects or hits where my PCI is barely touching the ball. Perfects make sense, but the poor PCI HR don't. No conspiracy that the game is against me, but simply I cannot figure out what the game actual wants input wise to get HR.
As someone who has played The Show since 08, I'd just like more transparency on what makes the hitting engine tick if it's left as is. If not, I think two things would help hitting. One, reward good/good with more hits if there's not going to be adjustments to the engine at all. Two adjust the hitting to fine tune timing a little more. Give us Perfect just like it is (~.800 avg), but add Great (timing/contact) that has a higher rate of solid hits and avg in the .380-.450 range. Good (T/C) becomes more of the .280-.320 avg type results. Okay (T/C) that is low .200 and under. Lastly, PCI placement that doesn't touch the ball should be a swing and miss every single time, no exceptions. That has always baffled me.
Anyway, sorry this got super long, but I'd love to hear thoughts on this type of tweaking to the hitting engine.
@ComebackLogic said in One thing I miss from older mlbts games:
‘17 was the last year pitching was roughly equal to hitting. It wasn’t just CC Sabathia who was lethal, remember how nasty Vida Blue was? Verlander? Kershaw was a nightmare too. That’s because pitching was generally relevant in ‘17. When you aimed the ball somewhere and made good input, that’s exactly where the ball would end up. ‘18 was the first year we saw major problems with pitching. First, they reduced pitch speeds so much that you could take a nap between the pitcher releasing a 4 seamer and it actually reaching the plate. When people constantly complained, in what I can only assume was a hissy fit of petulance and frustration, SDS then released a “F you” patch, that made AS look like legend difficulty. The PCI was tiny and extremely sensitive, had a huge range of movement and even though pitches were still too slow, swing timing windows were narrowed as much as possible. Then when everyone inevitably complained again, they reverted to the “spamming low off speed” meta for the rest of the year. ‘19 was another terrible year for pitching in MLB the Show. Not only did we have the HR/9 debacle, where it didn’t do anything, then it made everything die at the track, then it didn’t do anything again, we also saw the introduction of the random hanger with good input. While most people were singing the praises of SS Kershaw and making up superlatives to describe how good he really was, the rest of us were scratching our heads as to why good/good was almost always a line out. It wasn’t that Kershaw was that good, he just scored highly in most RNG stat vs stat dice rolls. It was like having the best card in the deck at Top Trumps, no matter which stat it came down to, he usually had the upper hand. In any case, by the end of the year, pitching was pretty much exactly as it is in ‘20 currently. At least it shows they’re working on ideas and implementing them as the season wears on, I suppose. The state of pitching in this game is not good at present. Input isn’t the determining factor in hanging a pitch, giving up a hit or a run, or hitting a spot in a crucial situation. You can still pitch to contact effectively at times, if I want a ground ball into the shift, or to try and get a hitter to pop up, I can often execute what I’m going for. That said, you can’t really dominate a game with a pitcher, unless you’re facing a bad opponent who will assist you by chasing a lot of bad pitches. Accuracy is more of an issue than pitch speeds and speed differentials, which aren’t that bad this year. A fastball is effective enough to set up an off speed pitch and vice versa. Even a good hitter can be blown away by an unexpected heater at 96mph, which suggests that pitch speeds are fine. The random hangers are not, the lack of accuracy is not, the fact that there’s pretty much nowhere you can pitch without the batter getting ridiculous foul tips and extending ABs until the random hanger comes is certainly not fine. Pitchers need a little more help, but the problem is it’s now baked into the game to have useless ineffective pitchers who throw the ball anywhere they feel like on reasonably good, albeit not perfect, input.
‘17 was the last year pitching was roughly equal to hitting. It wasn’t just CC Sabathia who was lethal, remember how nasty Vida Blue was? Verlander? Kershaw was a nightmare too. That’s because pitching was generally relevant in ‘17. When you aimed the ball somewhere and made good input, that’s exactly where the ball would end up.
‘18 was the first year we saw major problems with pitching. First, they reduced pitch speeds so much that you could take a nap between the pitcher releasing a 4 seamer and it actually reaching the plate. When people constantly complained, in what I can only assume was a hissy fit of petulance and frustration, SDS then released a “F you” patch, that made AS look like legend difficulty. The PCI was tiny and extremely sensitive, had a huge range of movement and even though pitches were still too slow, swing timing windows were narrowed as much as possible. Then when everyone inevitably complained again, they reverted to the “spamming low off speed” meta for the rest of the year.
‘19 was another terrible year for pitching in MLB the Show. Not only did we have the HR/9 debacle, where it didn’t do anything, then it made everything die at the track, then it didn’t do anything again, we also saw the introduction of the random hanger with good input. While most people were singing the praises of SS Kershaw and making up superlatives to describe how good he really was, the rest of us were scratching our heads as to why good/good was almost always a line out. It wasn’t that Kershaw was that good, he just scored highly in most RNG stat vs stat dice rolls. It was like having the best card in the deck at Top Trumps, no matter which stat it came down to, he usually had the upper hand. In any case, by the end of the year, pitching was pretty much exactly as it is in ‘20 currently. At least it shows they’re working on ideas and implementing them as the season wears on, I suppose.
The state of pitching in this game is not good at present. Input isn’t the determining factor in hanging a pitch, giving up a hit or a run, or hitting a spot in a crucial situation. You can still pitch to contact effectively at times, if I want a ground ball into the shift, or to try and get a hitter to pop up, I can often execute what I’m going for. That said, you can’t really dominate a game with a pitcher, unless you’re facing a bad opponent who will assist you by chasing a lot of bad pitches. Accuracy is more of an issue than pitch speeds and speed differentials, which aren’t that bad this year. A fastball is effective enough to set up an off speed pitch and vice versa. Even a good hitter can be blown away by an unexpected heater at 96mph, which suggests that pitch speeds are fine. The random hangers are not, the lack of accuracy is not, the fact that there’s pretty much nowhere you can pitch without the batter getting ridiculous foul tips and extending ABs until the random hanger comes is certainly not fine. Pitchers need a little more help, but the problem is it’s now baked into the game to have useless ineffective pitchers who throw the ball anywhere they feel like on reasonably good, albeit not perfect, input.
Everything you said is accurate, but I don't agree that it shows they're working on pitching. It shows that they recognize it has to be harder, but just like with hitting, they aren't taking the time to change the mechanics, they're simply trying to use RNG to make it harder.
They need to actually change the pitching mechanics and make good inputs harder to accomplish. Stats should matter for how fast the meter moves or how sensitive the analog movements are. It should affect how big the targets are to hit on meter and analog as well. Heck, this would probably make people mad, but make pitching clutch matter for the user, not RNG by making the ball shake slightly and controller vibrate when you're trying to hit your release points or aim. The more confident they are the less it moves and for dominant closers, have it be completely still. Have stamina factor into this as well. Show me that when I'm not confident my breaking pitches cannot break as much, don't just make it random and not let me know why.
These are the problems with pitching and how they need to really look at fixing them, but it would take a COMPLETE overhaul to the pitching system and they haven't really changed the mechanics of pitching in the game in who knows how long with the exception of adding pulse pitching.
Jim Abbott
@bhall09 said in MLB 21 Product Description (Interesting Note):
My question about that is they said stick skills over card ratings. So, can someone use a common and be better than someone else using a diamond? I guess that's good, maybe, but can't say for sure. And what would be the point of getting better cards then?
This would be a lazier way to look at it. Card's ratings should matter. They just shouldn't matter in the outcome. They should matter in the way the card is used. Lower contact, noticeably smaller PCI. Poor vision, smaller timing window. Low power, lower exit velo ability than high power guys. Pitchers with high control should have bigger contact spots on the meter or analog bars. Low BB/9 should mean the ball cursor is shakier when you try and pick your location. These are ways you can make the game have more importance on user input, but still make card ratings matter. Problem is, it would mean a total overhaul to the game's mechanics and SDS won't do that.
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ranked Seasons, do any of you do this?:
@qwesty16_psn said in Ranked Seasons, do any of you do this?: @d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ranked Seasons, do any of you do this?: @maddogtannen777_xbl said in Ranked Seasons, do any of you do this?: I have thought about to doing this so many times.... Getting up to mid 600's, lose a bunch of games on purpose to go back down, then win a bunch then lose, rinse and repeat. I feel like the most fun I have in RS is when I am at or below 650. But I kinda care too much about my win loss record. How do ya'll get to that 30 or 40 win mark without doing this? Every season until I get to around 25-30 wins. Then I make run to WS. Monday night I dropped down to 430. Fix the game where I don't see 110 mph wiffle balls and I'll be more than happy to start at 700. I usually only run my best players from like 750 to 900+ for the initial WS run. Once I make WS I tank back into 7-800's and play with different cards. I don't care about my record, I care about having fun. Not being able to read or react to pitches because of the lag isn't fun. Coincidentally (cough, cough), the higher you go the worse it is.I think it is a product of me being 8-9+ hours from the alleged server locations and opponents being very close. I just don't think there are very many people in my area that are highly ranked. wow how do you go from 430 all the way up to world series =X.. Practice before every game 15 minutes of thumb exercises 15 minutes of eye exercises 30 minutes of custom practice against deGrom 15 minutes of custom pitching practice 3 inning practice game against cpu on legend After the rs game, complete a scouting report on the positives and negatives in the game Player evaluation to see who makes the starting lineups, bullpen, bench and rotations for next game
@qwesty16_psn said in Ranked Seasons, do any of you do this?:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ranked Seasons, do any of you do this?: @maddogtannen777_xbl said in Ranked Seasons, do any of you do this?: I have thought about to doing this so many times.... Getting up to mid 600's, lose a bunch of games on purpose to go back down, then win a bunch then lose, rinse and repeat. I feel like the most fun I have in RS is when I am at or below 650. But I kinda care too much about my win loss record. How do ya'll get to that 30 or 40 win mark without doing this? Every season until I get to around 25-30 wins. Then I make run to WS. Monday night I dropped down to 430. Fix the game where I don't see 110 mph wiffle balls and I'll be more than happy to start at 700. I usually only run my best players from like 750 to 900+ for the initial WS run. Once I make WS I tank back into 7-800's and play with different cards. I don't care about my record, I care about having fun. Not being able to read or react to pitches because of the lag isn't fun. Coincidentally (cough, cough), the higher you go the worse it is.I think it is a product of me being 8-9+ hours from the alleged server locations and opponents being very close. I just don't think there are very many people in my area that are highly ranked. wow how do you go from 430 all the way up to world series =X..
@maddogtannen777_xbl said in Ranked Seasons, do any of you do this?: I have thought about to doing this so many times.... Getting up to mid 600's, lose a bunch of games on purpose to go back down, then win a bunch then lose, rinse and repeat. I feel like the most fun I have in RS is when I am at or below 650. But I kinda care too much about my win loss record. How do ya'll get to that 30 or 40 win mark without doing this? Every season until I get to around 25-30 wins. Then I make run to WS. Monday night I dropped down to 430. Fix the game where I don't see 110 mph wiffle balls and I'll be more than happy to start at 700. I usually only run my best players from like 750 to 900+ for the initial WS run. Once I make WS I tank back into 7-800's and play with different cards. I don't care about my record, I care about having fun. Not being able to read or react to pitches because of the lag isn't fun. Coincidentally (cough, cough), the higher you go the worse it is.I think it is a product of me being 8-9+ hours from the alleged server locations and opponents being very close. I just don't think there are very many people in my area that are highly ranked.
@maddogtannen777_xbl said in Ranked Seasons, do any of you do this?:
I have thought about to doing this so many times.... Getting up to mid 600's, lose a bunch of games on purpose to go back down, then win a bunch then lose, rinse and repeat. I feel like the most fun I have in RS is when I am at or below 650. But I kinda care too much about my win loss record. How do ya'll get to that 30 or 40 win mark without doing this?
I have thought about to doing this so many times....
Getting up to mid 600's, lose a bunch of games on purpose to go back down, then win a bunch then lose, rinse and repeat.
I feel like the most fun I have in RS is when I am at or below 650. But I kinda care too much about my win loss record.
How do ya'll get to that 30 or 40 win mark without doing this?
Every season until I get to around 25-30 wins. Then I make run to WS.
Monday night I dropped down to 430. Fix the game where I don't see 110 mph wiffle balls and I'll be more than happy to start at 700. I usually only run my best players from like 750 to 900+ for the initial WS run. Once I make WS I tank back into 7-800's and play with different cards.
I don't care about my record, I care about having fun. Not being able to read or react to pitches because of the lag isn't fun. Coincidentally (cough, cough), the higher you go the worse it is.I think it is a product of me being 8-9+ hours from the alleged server locations and opponents being very close. I just don't think there are very many people in my area that are highly ranked.
wow how do you go from 430 all the way up to world series =X..
Practice before every game 15 minutes of thumb exercises 15 minutes of eye exercises 30 minutes of custom practice against deGrom 15 minutes of custom pitching practice 3 inning practice game against cpu on legend After the rs game, complete a scouting report on the positives and negatives in the game Player evaluation to see who makes the starting lineups, bullpen, bench and rotations for next game
Do you seriously do this before playing online? Honestly, I've never understood the idea of practicing vs CPU to play online. The game feels different offline vs online and I feel like I play astronomically worse playing the CPU in any mode/difficulty and then jumping online. I may just be odd though.
Baseball is a game where the team dynamic can really come into play and affect how a team performs on the field. Think about what a veteran hitter or pitcher brings to a team of young, talented hitters or pitchers. They may not bring the same level of play they used to, but they often carry a calming demeanor into the clubhouse. This can allow the younger players to learn how to approach the game early on in their careers, whether it's pitching out of a jam, or staying calm in a big at bat.
The Show already utilizes player quirks for LS cards and certain flashback cards, but what about active quirks that when you put the right guys on a team together could give the entire team a +5 contact, clutch, power, or vision boost? On the flip side, pitchers who would boost the starting staff with clutch, K/9, H/9 or the same thing with the bullpen.
One of the biggest complaints with sports games is diversifying rosters. Why not truly make putting together a team in a certain "style" of play advantageous to roster? Make bench players important, even if they aren't being used, by having a guy like Brett Philips there who keeps the "morale" up, so that when you've been struggling all game, you get a stat boost at some point late for a guy with high clutch.
It's an idea, but I'd love to hear thoughts and what this could look like, not just in Franchise mode, but even in something like DD.
Glad to see I'm not alone in finally making WS. It's crazy, I literally have no desire to play RS anymore. I'll most likely stick to events, BR, and league games at this point. For those of you who keep going for WS season after season, what's the reasoning? There's no real reward other than the new cards, which can be easily purchased by flipping cards.
@bloopnablast_34_psn said in On the way to WS:
Congrats brother!
Thanks man.
No hitter Jim Abbott. Please, I'm begging!
Congrats man. I'm with you. 38 and just made my first a couple days ago since playing DD back in 16. Been playing the show since 09 though. I went 14-1 this season after starting at 550. I'm officially retiring from RS this year with a final record of 34-3. I'll never go 12-0 in BR. I have no patience at the plate and am awful at 3 inning games. 9 innings work because I can scrape together 2-3 runs over that time and my pitching in RS rarely lets me down.
So, I'm not going to lie, this is a bit of a humble brag, but I made WS a couple nights ago for the first time ever. I've played MLB since 09 at least, but started DD back in 16. Highest I ever made was in the 880's back in 19 and I never went above 730 last year. I am not a great hitter by any stretch but pitching would keep me in games. I'll also say, I rarely play enough games in a season to really have a shot at 900 unless I go on an incredible run, which happened this time.
My record in RS coming into this season was 20-2, but I hadn't played a single game over 700. I've played when I could between my league and all the other offline content and events, to just get by. I started the season at 550 and said I was going for it. My record the season ended up being 14-1 with some absolutely awful hitting stats; .175 avg, .349 slg, .199 obp and I probably averaged 2-3 runs a game with a couple 1-0 shutouts mixed in. Pitching and fielding carried me with a 1.30 era, .56 whip and .998 fldg. I probably won one game that felt like total luck in extra innings, but for the most part I got a lead and kept it every game.
This season though I was able to get a PS5 and I think it completely changed the game. After going to the PS5 and then playing on the PS4 offline, the game is almost unplayable with how awful the frame rate is. When you never play it on the PS5, you'd never notice it, but once you do, it's really crazy. For everyone wondering why things feel so bad at times, I really think it comes down to the hardware not being able to support the software. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I got lucky for once. Maybe SDS rolled the magical dice in my favor, but I think it's really the difference in the frame rate ability of the PS5 vs the PS4.
Good luck to everyone grinding out RS to make WS. Now that I've done it, I may retire from the mode and never play it again. Finishing with a 34-3 record overall and a 14-1 run feels pretty good.
@mcgalamaad_psn said in 1st Base Defense:
Once you realize how important diamond fielding is at first it’s hard to take it out of your lineup. I have Murray there and I don’t think he’s ever coming out tbh.
I was thinking the same thing and bought Murray to bench Ortiz after a big error cost me a game late. Well, Murray has more "ole" animations at 1b in 1/3 of the games played that Ortiz has for me, so Murray is gone. This is what kills me with this game. I prefer elite defense if the bat is useable, but I've had zero reason to play Murray over Ortiz unfortunately.
@thaghettoblasta said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...:
@theu715_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: @thaghettoblasta said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: @theu715_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: @thaghettoblasta said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: @knoxwurst31_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: Let me ask you this. So when YOU are pitching, do you want to throw dots? Or would you prefer your pitches to not go where you intend them if you have a perfect pitch? It goes both ways. I'm sure everyone wants to throw dots with THEIR preferred pitching mode. Why should anyone be forced to use something they are not comfortable with? And why should they be punished for their choice with pitches aimed down and in at the pitchers legs (say righty vs lefty), with perfect release that floats straight down the middle and into the hitters wheel house? It's stupid and makes 0 sense! If you don't use pinpoint, you aren't going to win as many games as those using it, it's simple as that. They may as well take every other pitching mode out of the game at this point. With this line of thinking, should the easiest ways to play the game be rewarded the same as the hardest ways to play? Serious question. Should classic pitching locate as well as all other methods. Should analog or directional hitting work as well as zone and your PCI be perfectly located by the CPU? I think the issue here is that the different methods require more input goals and are harder, therefore are rewarded more. I may be wrong, but I'd love to hear a better explanation. FWIW I'm a previous analog pitcher for as long as that method was available who picked up pinpoint this year. Analog was the best and most accurate way to pitch last year. Now this year, it acts the same as metered pitching with floaters in the zone. There really isn't any explanation needed. It's not about what mode is harder. Good input should be rewarded regardless of which mode you choose. It's fine offline, but online? Forget about it! Analog used to always be the best method IMO as well. I used it back on PS3. Heck, I liked that style back when they did "rock and fire" pitching in MVP Baseball. I also agree that there should be no RNG in the game, but when they allow methods of play online that are considerably easier to use, there has to then be some element of RNG. RNG rules the on-line format at the end of the day.
@theu715_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...:
@thaghettoblasta said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: @theu715_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: @thaghettoblasta said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: @knoxwurst31_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: Let me ask you this. So when YOU are pitching, do you want to throw dots? Or would you prefer your pitches to not go where you intend them if you have a perfect pitch? It goes both ways. I'm sure everyone wants to throw dots with THEIR preferred pitching mode. Why should anyone be forced to use something they are not comfortable with? And why should they be punished for their choice with pitches aimed down and in at the pitchers legs (say righty vs lefty), with perfect release that floats straight down the middle and into the hitters wheel house? It's stupid and makes 0 sense! If you don't use pinpoint, you aren't going to win as many games as those using it, it's simple as that. They may as well take every other pitching mode out of the game at this point. With this line of thinking, should the easiest ways to play the game be rewarded the same as the hardest ways to play? Serious question. Should classic pitching locate as well as all other methods. Should analog or directional hitting work as well as zone and your PCI be perfectly located by the CPU? I think the issue here is that the different methods require more input goals and are harder, therefore are rewarded more. I may be wrong, but I'd love to hear a better explanation. FWIW I'm a previous analog pitcher for as long as that method was available who picked up pinpoint this year. Analog was the best and most accurate way to pitch last year. Now this year, it acts the same as metered pitching with floaters in the zone. There really isn't any explanation needed. It's not about what mode is harder. Good input should be rewarded regardless of which mode you choose. It's fine offline, but online? Forget about it! Analog used to always be the best method IMO as well. I used it back on PS3. Heck, I liked that style back when they did "rock and fire" pitching in MVP Baseball. I also agree that there should be no RNG in the game, but when they allow methods of play online that are considerably easier to use, there has to then be some element of RNG.
@theu715_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: @thaghettoblasta said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: @knoxwurst31_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: Let me ask you this. So when YOU are pitching, do you want to throw dots? Or would you prefer your pitches to not go where you intend them if you have a perfect pitch? It goes both ways. I'm sure everyone wants to throw dots with THEIR preferred pitching mode. Why should anyone be forced to use something they are not comfortable with? And why should they be punished for their choice with pitches aimed down and in at the pitchers legs (say righty vs lefty), with perfect release that floats straight down the middle and into the hitters wheel house? It's stupid and makes 0 sense! If you don't use pinpoint, you aren't going to win as many games as those using it, it's simple as that. They may as well take every other pitching mode out of the game at this point. With this line of thinking, should the easiest ways to play the game be rewarded the same as the hardest ways to play? Serious question. Should classic pitching locate as well as all other methods. Should analog or directional hitting work as well as zone and your PCI be perfectly located by the CPU? I think the issue here is that the different methods require more input goals and are harder, therefore are rewarded more. I may be wrong, but I'd love to hear a better explanation. FWIW I'm a previous analog pitcher for as long as that method was available who picked up pinpoint this year. Analog was the best and most accurate way to pitch last year. Now this year, it acts the same as metered pitching with floaters in the zone. There really isn't any explanation needed. It's not about what mode is harder. Good input should be rewarded regardless of which mode you choose. It's fine offline, but online? Forget about it!
@thaghettoblasta said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: @knoxwurst31_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: Let me ask you this. So when YOU are pitching, do you want to throw dots? Or would you prefer your pitches to not go where you intend them if you have a perfect pitch? It goes both ways. I'm sure everyone wants to throw dots with THEIR preferred pitching mode. Why should anyone be forced to use something they are not comfortable with? And why should they be punished for their choice with pitches aimed down and in at the pitchers legs (say righty vs lefty), with perfect release that floats straight down the middle and into the hitters wheel house? It's stupid and makes 0 sense! If you don't use pinpoint, you aren't going to win as many games as those using it, it's simple as that. They may as well take every other pitching mode out of the game at this point. With this line of thinking, should the easiest ways to play the game be rewarded the same as the hardest ways to play? Serious question. Should classic pitching locate as well as all other methods. Should analog or directional hitting work as well as zone and your PCI be perfectly located by the CPU? I think the issue here is that the different methods require more input goals and are harder, therefore are rewarded more. I may be wrong, but I'd love to hear a better explanation. FWIW I'm a previous analog pitcher for as long as that method was available who picked up pinpoint this year.
@knoxwurst31_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...: Let me ask you this. So when YOU are pitching, do you want to throw dots? Or would you prefer your pitches to not go where you intend them if you have a perfect pitch? It goes both ways. I'm sure everyone wants to throw dots with THEIR preferred pitching mode. Why should anyone be forced to use something they are not comfortable with? And why should they be punished for their choice with pitches aimed down and in at the pitchers legs (say righty vs lefty), with perfect release that floats straight down the middle and into the hitters wheel house? It's stupid and makes 0 sense! If you don't use pinpoint, you aren't going to win as many games as those using it, it's simple as that. They may as well take every other pitching mode out of the game at this point.
@knoxwurst31_psn said in Just Dots, Dots, and More Dots...:
Let me ask you this. So when YOU are pitching, do you want to throw dots? Or would you prefer your pitches to not go where you intend them if you have a perfect pitch? It goes both ways.
I'm sure everyone wants to throw dots with THEIR preferred pitching mode. Why should anyone be forced to use something they are not comfortable with? And why should they be punished for their choice with pitches aimed down and in at the pitchers legs (say righty vs lefty), with perfect release that floats straight down the middle and into the hitters wheel house? It's stupid and makes 0 sense! If you don't use pinpoint, you aren't going to win as many games as those using it, it's simple as that. They may as well take every other pitching mode out of the game at this point.
With this line of thinking, should the easiest ways to play the game be rewarded the same as the hardest ways to play? Serious question. Should classic pitching locate as well as all other methods. Should analog or directional hitting work as well as zone and your PCI be perfectly located by the CPU?
I think the issue here is that the different methods require more input goals and are harder, therefore are rewarded more. I may be wrong, but I'd love to hear a better explanation. FWIW I'm a previous analog pitcher for as long as that method was available who picked up pinpoint this year.
Analog was the best and most accurate way to pitch last year. Now this year, it acts the same as metered pitching with floaters in the zone. There really isn't any explanation needed. It's not about what mode is harder. Good input should be rewarded regardless of which mode you choose. It's fine offline, but online? Forget about it!
Analog used to always be the best method IMO as well. I used it back on PS3. Heck, I liked that style back when they did "rock and fire" pitching in MVP Baseball. I also agree that there should be no RNG in the game, but when they allow methods of play online that are considerably easier to use, there has to then be some element of RNG.
RNG rules the on-line format at the end of the day.
It feels that way in RS. I'll say this. I've got in a group and we do a custom league with only LS cards and the game plays much more realistic than it does in DD. All these juiced cards with their quirks and overblown attributes I think is what causes all the RNG.