Best team to NOT win WS?
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@phillydave35_psn said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
Biased, but the 2011 Phillies. Sad part is they can only blame themselves. Instead of going for the franchise record in wins and keeping an Atlanta team that was hemorrhaging in the playoffs, they allowed a white hot Cardinals team to make the playoffs and lost to them in five games of divisional round. Great pitched game with Cards squeaking out the only run of the game in first inning and ended with Ryan Howard tearing his Achilles on final out.
Oh absolutely. The 2010 and 2011 Phillies were a juggernaut. When the Cards won that series by an eyelash and a squirrel, it felt like they'd won the World Series because the Phillies were the team to beat. I always wish the Phillies had won in 2010 on the heels of Halladay's no hitter.
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The 1990 Oakland A's.
The heavily favored A's were an extremely talented group making their third straight WS, but ran into a hot Reds team. Eric Davis put everyone on notice with a no doubt home run blast in game 1, the "nasty boys" basically shut down the A's line up the last 2-3 innings of each game, and that Jose Rijo Slider was unhittable!
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1994 Expos. A run down of some of the players they had. At the time the season was called the Expos had a record of 74-40 and were one of the best teams ever. The Expos were robbed.
Cliff Floyd - 41 RBI's and a 280 batting average
Will Cordero - 15 HR's/63 RBI's and batting 294
Moises Alou - 22 HR's/78 RBI's and a batting average of 339
Larry Walker - 19 HR's/86 RBI's and a batting average of 322
Marquis Grissom - 11 HR's/45 RBI's and a batting average of 288Pitching
Pedro Martinez - 11-5, 3.40 ERA
Jeff Fassero - 8-6, 2.99 ERA
Ken Hill - 16-5, 3.32 ERA
Butch Henry - 8-3, 2.40 ERAJohn Wetland - 25 Saves and a ERA of 2.80
Mel Rojas - 16 Saves and a ERA of 3.30 -
The Atlanta Braves 91-96 should have at least 3 world series Titles, The Pirates should have at least 1 when they had Bonds.
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The 70's dodger teams should have won but they did win in 81.
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I'm biased as an M's fan, but the 2001 Mariners have to be at the top of this list. Record wise best regular season ever and no WS to show for it.
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@vipersneak_mlbts said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
1969 Cubs
1984 CubsI am biased.
I can certainly understand your pain as a Cubs fan in that 1984 season. As a Padre fan however, 1984 is one of my best sports memories of all time.
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@deadphish1976 said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
@vipersneak_mlbts said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
1969 Cubs
1984 CubsI am biased.
I can certainly understand your pain as a Cubs fan in that 1984 season. As a Padre fan however, 1984 is one of my best sports memories of all time.
That 1998 team was pretty special too. Too bad they ran into the greatest team of all time in the WS. I still think if the ump doesn't blow that call against Langston, the Pads may have at least made it a 6 game series.
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@ericulous1_psn said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
@deadphish1976 said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
@vipersneak_mlbts said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
1969 Cubs
1984 CubsI am biased.
I can certainly understand your pain as a Cubs fan in that 1984 season. As a Padre fan however, 1984 is one of my best sports memories of all time.
That 1998 team was pretty special too. Too bad they ran into the greatest team of all time in the WS. I still think if the ump doesn't blow that call against Langston, the Pads may have at least made it a 6 game series.
Scott Brosius was clutch for the Yankees in that series, every time he came up he did something.
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The 1997 Cleveland Indians team should also get some consideration, team was stacked, bad luck they ran into a red hot Marlins team.
Sandy Alomar
Jim Thome
Tony Fernandez
Omar Vizquel
Matt Williams
Marquis Grissom
Brian Giles
Manny Ramirez
David JusticeOrel Hershiser
Charles Nagy
Bartolo ColonJose Mesa
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@samguenther1987 said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
The 1997 Cleveland Indians team should also get some consideration, team was stacked, bad luck they ran into a red hot Marlins team.
Sandy Alomar
Jim Thome
Tony Fernandez
Omar Vizquel
Matt Williams
Marquis Grissom
Brian Giles
Manny Ramirez
David JusticeOrel Hershiser
Charles Nagy
Bartolo ColonJose Mesa
Jack McDowellI feel like everyone wanted the Indians to win that series. I've been an NL guy my whole life and I wanted the Indians to win. I'm sure Marlins fans would beg to differ but I definitely wish the Indians got one of those in the 90s.
And yeah, Brosius was a monster. In 2001 also.
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@ericulous1_psn said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
@samguenther1987 said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
The 1997 Cleveland Indians team should also get some consideration, team was stacked, bad luck they ran into a red hot Marlins team.
Sandy Alomar
Jim Thome
Tony Fernandez
Omar Vizquel
Matt Williams
Marquis Grissom
Brian Giles
Manny Ramirez
David JusticeOrel Hershiser
Charles Nagy
Bartolo ColonJose Mesa
Jack McDowellI feel like everyone wanted the Indians to win that series. I've been an NL guy my whole life and I wanted the Indians to win. I'm sure Marlins fans would beg to differ but I definitely wish the Indians got one of those in the 90s.
And yeah, Brosius was a monster. In 2001 also.
I was cheering for the Marlins actually, just amazing to see a expansion team win the World Series so fast.
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@arvcpa_psn said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
1919 Chicago White Sox.
Where do I collect my prize? I mean... This is the best answer.
How could you of all people not mention the 1960 Pirates upsetting the powerful Yankees in the Series?!?!
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@ncstatehokie_mlbts said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
@arvcpa_psn said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
1919 Chicago White Sox.
Where do I collect my prize? I mean... This is the best answer.
How could you of all people not mention the 1960 Pirates upsetting the powerful Yankees in the Series?!?!
As a Pirates fan, I feel like an idiot. Still... 1919 White Sox is my final answer.
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@ericulous1_psn said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
@deadphish1976 said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
@vipersneak_mlbts said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
1969 Cubs
1984 CubsI am biased.
I can certainly understand your pain as a Cubs fan in that 1984 season. As a Padre fan however, 1984 is one of my best sports memories of all time.
That 1998 team was pretty special too. Too bad they ran into the greatest team of all time in the WS. I still think if the ump doesn't blow that call against Langston, the Pads may have at least made it a 6 game series.
That 98 team was awesome to watch. Arguably better than the 84 team too. The 84 team was one of my earliest sports memories though so it has a special place in my heart. Garvey hitting that HR in game 4 to force a game 5, after the Cubs beat up on us pretty good in the first 2 games. Then, being at game 5 with my Dad as an 8 year old was an incredible experience. To this date I have yet to experience a louder crowd than when Garveys name was announced at the beginning of game 5. The crowd was electric that day and I'll never forget it. 98 was a ton of fun too though and you're right, unfortunately we had to play one of the greatest all time teams. That no call on strike 3 to Tito Martinez was tough. Couldn't agree more, Langston got him there and he goes on to hit a grand slam. Changed the complexion of the series. In all likelihood we wouldn't have beaten the Yankess regardless, they were that good but it may have not been so lopsided.
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@ericulous1_psn said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
Little biased here but the 11-14 tigers really should have at least had a competitive world series at some point. 11: Nelson Cruz. 12: Swept in the WS, 13: David Ortiz, 14: Brad Ausmus
Agreed, Tigers should have won 1. I also think they were the team to beat in 2006 but that huge layoff after sweeping both the ALDS and ALCS really messed with their momentum. As much as I love the Cardinals. The should have lost to the Tigers that year.
I believe that was the year the Cardinals tripped and fell into the playoffs as they lost on the last day but so did the Astros (or somebody) lost on the last day of the season. Classic example of expanded playoffs allowing a team to get hot at the right time. As I am a Cards and was stoked that we won, they had no business being in the post season that year.
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@ericulous1_psn said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
Great topic:
The 2001 A's and Mariners: had it not been for the Jeter flip, that would have been an amazing ALCS. We ended up with a pretty amazing WS anyway.
2019 Astros- Cole, Verlander, Greinke and that insane offense.
2021 Dodgers and Giants - (great article above)
1995 Indians were a better team than the 1997 team but I would have loved to see them beat the Marlins
2004 Cardinals and Astros (that was an amazing series too Game 5 and 6 especially, but it got a bit overshadowed).
1985 Cardinals who actually won the WS (cough....Denkinger....cough)
1988 and 1990 Oakland A's (both should have steamrolled their opponent, but alas they did not).
1954 Indians (probably the most notorious team who should have win to not only blow it but to get swept).
@arvcpa_PSN great answer. Yes, you win.
All excellent choices. I chose the ‘95 Indians cuz their lineup was lights out. They won 100 games in a strike shortened season (140 I think). Albert Belle had 50 doubles and 50 bombs. Never been done before or since. But, the ran into Maddux and Glavine.
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@mjfc_363_psn said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
@ericulous1_psn said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
@the_dragon1912 said in Best team to NOT win WS?:
Little biased here but the 11-14 tigers really should have at least had a competitive world series at some point. 11: Nelson Cruz. 12: Swept in the WS, 13: David Ortiz, 14: Brad Ausmus
Agreed, Tigers should have won 1. I also think they were the team to beat in 2006 but that huge layoff after sweeping both the ALDS and ALCS really messed with their momentum. As much as I love the Cardinals. The should have lost to the Tigers that year.
I believe that was the year the Cardinals tripped and fell into the playoffs as they lost on the last day but so did the Astros (or somebody) lost on the last day of the season. Classic example of expanded playoffs allowing a team to get hot at the right time. As I am a Cards and was stoked that we won, they had no business being in the post season that year.
Oh you are absolutely right. I believe they were 4 games over .500 and are technically the worst team in terms of record to ever win a WS. They should have lost to both the Mets with that insane lineup (Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado, Green, LoDuca etc.) And the Tigers who were red hot. But, I'm obviously glad they got it done.
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The 116 win Mariner team has to be the answer here.
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Any year the Braves didn’t win it all in the mid to late 90s.
