Ty Cobb
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@stinkysman77_mlbts said in Ty Cobb:
@dcmo3_psn said in Ty Cobb:
@stinkysman77_mlbts said in Ty Cobb:
@antisagamer10_psn said in Ty Cobb:
I just got mlb the show 21 a few days ago and I love it, the only problem is that I can’t find Ty Cobb on the mid century groundbreakers team. Does anybody know if he is still in the game or if he was taken out, then why?
BLM
Ya know, that actually sounds like a reasonable explanation. Real pity that Cobb isn't still in the game; he more than earned the right.
I don't have any facts but I really believe that is why
It could very well be.
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I’m not sure if BLM is the reason but there is plenty of internet content showing that Ty Cobb was absolutely unfairly tarnished. He wasn’t perfect, an asshole even, but a vicious brutal racist he was not.
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I agree with you. I have read and watched a good deal about him and it does seem that he had some issues. But he was not nearly S bad as everyone thinks. It’s probably Ken Burns’ fault even though his documentary was otherwise perfect.
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@stinkysman77_mlbts said in Ty Cobb:
@antisagamer10_psn said in Ty Cobb:
I just got mlb the show 21 a few days ago and I love it, the only problem is that I can’t find Ty Cobb on the mid century groundbreakers team. Does anybody know if he is still in the game or if he was taken out, then why?
BLM
They did indeed lick much BLM posterior last year.
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I don't know why Cobb is not in the game this year (and nobody else here does either) but it says a lot that many are willing to just automatically believe the most conspiratorial, negative reason and place blame without any valid evidence to back them up.
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@laotzu730_xbl said in Ty Cobb:
I agree with you. I have read and watched a good deal about him and it does seem that he had some issues. But he was not nearly S bad as everyone thinks. It’s probably Ken Burns’ fault even though his documentary was otherwise perfect.
Al Stump did the most damage. Most of his stories were wildly exaggerated and some were fabricated completely. Ken Burns took this garbage and combined it with the fact that Cobb was much disliked by his contemporaries to create a racist bogeyman.
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@blbu75_psn said in Ty Cobb:
Ken Burns took this garbage and combined it with the fact that Cobb was much disliked by his contemporaries to create a racist bogeyman.
When you make Jackie the hero, someone has to be the villain. (Not that Jackie WASN’T a hero, but storytelling 101 demands a formidable opposing force and “society writ large” isn’t cinematically filmable.)
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@blbu75_psn said in Ty Cobb:
@laotzu730_xbl said in Ty Cobb:
I agree with you. I have read and watched a good deal about him and it does seem that he had some issues. But he was not nearly S bad as everyone thinks. It’s probably Ken Burns’ fault even though his documentary was otherwise perfect.
Al Stump did the most damage. Most of his stories were wildly exaggerated and some were fabricated completely. Ken Burns took this garbage and combined it with the fact that Cobb was much disliked by his contemporaries to create a racist bogeyman.
And it's sad to see, too. Because Cobb probably got in his fair share of spats with players and spectators alike, and played dirty (though a lot of the stuff that is considered dirty today wasn't against the rules back then) he wasn't a racist.
In fact, he SUPPORTED racial integration in baseball, and there's even a picture of him giving hitting tips to Hank Aaron.
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@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Ty Cobb:
@blbu75_psn said in Ty Cobb:
@laotzu730_xbl said in Ty Cobb:
I agree with you. I have read and watched a good deal about him and it does seem that he had some issues. But he was not nearly S bad as everyone thinks. It’s probably Ken Burns’ fault even though his documentary was otherwise perfect.
Al Stump did the most damage. Most of his stories were wildly exaggerated and some were fabricated completely. Ken Burns took this garbage and combined it with the fact that Cobb was much disliked by his contemporaries to create a racist bogeyman.
And it's sad to see, too. Because Cobb probably got in his fair share of spats with players and spectators alike, and played dirty (though a lot of the stuff that is considered dirty today wasn't against the rules back then) he wasn't a racist.
In fact, he SUPPORTED racial integration in baseball, and there's even a picture of him giving hitting tips to Hank Aaron.
I freely admit, I don't know enough about the man's personal history but I have a biography about him which is supposed to be well crafted and fairly objective and this thread has inspired me to pick it up......now.
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@ericulous1_psn said in Ty Cobb:
@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Ty Cobb:
@blbu75_psn said in Ty Cobb:
@laotzu730_xbl said in Ty Cobb:
I agree with you. I have read and watched a good deal about him and it does seem that he had some issues. But he was not nearly S bad as everyone thinks. It’s probably Ken Burns’ fault even though his documentary was otherwise perfect.
Al Stump did the most damage. Most of his stories were wildly exaggerated and some were fabricated completely. Ken Burns took this garbage and combined it with the fact that Cobb was much disliked by his contemporaries to create a racist bogeyman.
And it's sad to see, too. Because Cobb probably got in his fair share of spats with players and spectators alike, and played dirty (though a lot of the stuff that is considered dirty today wasn't against the rules back then) he wasn't a racist.
In fact, he SUPPORTED racial integration in baseball, and there's even a picture of him giving hitting tips to Hank Aaron.
I freely admit, I don't know enough about the man's personal history but I have a biography about him which is supposed to be well crafted and fairly objective and this thread has inspired me to pick it up......now.
Don't read it if it has the name "Stump" on it. That's the man who ruined Cobb's reputation and legacy.
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@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Ty Cobb:
@ericulous1_psn said in Ty Cobb:
@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Ty Cobb:
@blbu75_psn said in Ty Cobb:
@laotzu730_xbl said in Ty Cobb:
I agree with you. I have read and watched a good deal about him and it does seem that he had some issues. But he was not nearly S bad as everyone thinks. It’s probably Ken Burns’ fault even though his documentary was otherwise perfect.
Al Stump did the most damage. Most of his stories were wildly exaggerated and some were fabricated completely. Ken Burns took this garbage and combined it with the fact that Cobb was much disliked by his contemporaries to create a racist bogeyman.
And it's sad to see, too. Because Cobb probably got in his fair share of spats with players and spectators alike, and played dirty (though a lot of the stuff that is considered dirty today wasn't against the rules back then) he wasn't a racist.
In fact, he SUPPORTED racial integration in baseball, and there's even a picture of him giving hitting tips to Hank Aaron.
I freely admit, I don't know enough about the man's personal history but I have a biography about him which is supposed to be well crafted and fairly objective and this thread has inspired me to pick it up......now.
Don't read it if it has the name "Stump" on it. That's the man who ruined Cobb's reputation and legacy.
Nope, not that one. This book is by Charles Leerhsen called: Ty Cobb a Terrible Beauty. It wom the Casey award for best baseball book of the year in 2015 and is supposedly the gold standard of baseball biographies. Along with Jane Leavy's books on Babe, Koufax and Mantle.
It's described as debunking the myths about Cobb so I believe it gives a fair portrayal.
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