I like Rob Manfred
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@stingrayhd_xbl said in I like Rob Manfred:
Manfred gave in to woke BS about GA voting laws. Not a fan. Overall kinda inept.
Lol
Anyway, Manfred is a stooge. He actively puts his foot in his mouth whenever he can and has done more to hurt baseball than help it.
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First, I think you’re using the wrong word, slack means he’s essentially being given a break. I really think you mean flack.
Second, Manfred is horrible at his job. The sport is bleeding fans and revenue, his job is to grow both. His constant wishy washy, back and forth on gimmicky attempts to speed up the game is doing more harm than good. Also, he’s horrible about transparency. Everyone knew they messed with the baseballs, but he wouldn’t admit it until it was too obvious to deny. Same thing with “sticky stuff.”
Like him or not, Bauer called him out on it 2+ years ago and proved how beneficial the stuff is, he essentially told Manfred and the league he would win the Cy Young and he did. Again, Manfred waited too long to address the issue.
Lastly, the whole Astros fiasco was and still continues to be a sore spot with the league. He handled it horribly, both from a players standpoint, but more importantly, for the fans.
There’s just a few issues he’s managed poorly, this list could go on quite a while.
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@raesone_psn said in I like Rob Manfred:
Then why is Adam Silver loved by pretty much everyone, owners and players alike? He has the same responsibilities as Rob Manfred, same hurdles to take. The answer is because he is way better at his job than Rob Manfred is.
Adam Silver knows the players have the power. No minors , small team roster. Player driven league where fans go to watch a Super Star play ( actively involved every minute on the court ). He does his job knowing the players have the power and acknowledges that and works with them from a position of less strength.
Mandred job is wholly different. Yes they both have the same "job title ". Like a lot of jobs in life, title means very little. Manager of your local Starbucks job is wholly different than a manager of a factory. Same title ,diff job.
Manfred knows the sport is driven by Team Branding more than player branding. Baseball owners have control over a players life the first years of their careers. Manfred manages from a position of strength. It's why baseball players can't strike without huge backlash on them. Yes, owners get backlash but not as much as players. Most baseball fans complaints when a players is doing bad ? Overpaid.
IMO, Manfred does a better job at instituting rules and such for the betterment of the league. Sticky Stuff, steroids, length of game and so on. When they make a rule, baseball has no issues enforcing it because the commissioner has strength.
Basketball? Weak enforcement, can't even get players to stop flopping. Players have the power and Commissioner can only ask for changes abs beg players to behave.
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One thing that shows how out of touch Rob Manfried is. After they started checking pitchers this year and Scherzer and Romo did their little stunts and fans are booing when asked about it he said he thought it was going very well so far.
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@kovz88_psn said in I like Rob Manfred:
One thing that shows how out of touch Rob Manfried is. After they started checking pitchers this year and Scherzer and Romo did their little stunts and fans are booing when asked about it he said he thought it was going very well so far.
Smh, you do realize a person in power and responsibility for a whole league can't really say what he thinks. Look at Twitter. Everytime someone in the public eye says what they really think, they end up apologizing.
Please think before posting dumb statements.
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@CalisGW_PSN
You do realize that's a cop out way of thinking. So anytime someone says something dumb you can just say they were "bowing to the mob" but if they say something you like then they really mean it. Grow up dude -
@savagesteve74 said in I like Rob Manfred:
First, I think you’re using the wrong word, slack means he’s essentially being given a break. I really think you mean flack.
Second, Manfred is horrible at his job. The sport is bleeding fans and revenue, his job is to grow both. His constant wishy washy, back and forth on gimmicky attempts to speed up the game is doing more harm than good. Also, he’s horrible about transparency. Everyone knew they messed with the baseballs, but he wouldn’t admit it until it was too obvious to deny. Same thing with “sticky stuff.”
Like him or not, Bauer called him out on it 2+ years ago and proved how beneficial the stuff is, he essentially told Manfred and the league he would win the Cy Young and he did. Again, Manfred waited too long to address the issue.
Lastly, the whole Astros fiasco was and still continues to be a sore spot with the league. He handled it horribly, both from a players standpoint, but more importantly, for the fans.
There’s just a few issues he’s managed poorly, this list could go on quite a while.
To be fair, analytics ruined the game, not the commissioner. I don’t blame team management for trying to get an edge, but efficiency is making the game stale: 3 true outcomes, shifts, launch angle and so on have made the games longer and less attractive to fans. Not to mention it’s hard to sell a slow game in the overactive and attention span divided era we live in. Can’t sell players that bat 4 times a game in 3+ hours like a point guard or a QB that have the ball every play.
30 years ago, entertainment was books and TV, and you were stuck with whatever 30 channels were putting on. Now you have what you want when you want, on demand. Baseball hardly fits in that world.
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@kovz88_psn said in I like Rob Manfred:
@CalisGW_PSN
You do realize that's a cop out way of thinking. So anytime someone says something dumb you can just say they were "bowing to the mob" but if they say something you like then they really mean it. Grow up dude
Not a cop out. It's the world we live in. Do I like it? Hell no. I can speak my mind because I am nobody. Others can't for fear of losing their jobs or money or what not.Sticky stuff = steroids issue. In hindsight , baseball acted too slowly because fans were loving the home run chase and revenue was rolling. Manfred is trying to get ahead of the problem this time. He is DOING HIS JOB. Protecting the game now and for the future regardless how people may think of him in the " moment "
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I like turtles.
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Y'all gotta relax. Kieran created this thread, knowing it's a polarized topic. He enjoys himself at this moment when he sees people going at each other. Y'all forgot what trolls do?
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@raesone_psn said in I like Rob Manfred:
Y'all gotta relax. Kieran created this thread, knowing it's a polarized topic. He enjoys himself at this moment when he sees people going at each other. Y'all forgot what trolls do?
Well, that’s obvious. But it’s nice to discuss this instead of conspiracy theories about pack odds and secret gameplay tuners
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@yankblan_psn said in I like Rob Manfred:
@raesone_psn said in I like Rob Manfred:
Y'all gotta relax. Kieran created this thread, knowing it's a polarized topic. He enjoys himself at this moment when he sees people going at each other. Y'all forgot what trolls do?
Well, that’s obvious. But it’s nice to discuss this instead of conspiracy theories about pack odds and secret gameplay tuners
Yeah I guess. Although that is DD related and this isn't. But I hear ya, I'd prefer to see neither.
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Manfred’s job is to grow profit for the owners period. As long as the owners are happy with their ROIs, they will keep him there. They dont care about the integrity of the game, being equitable with the players or giving value to the fans. What baseball needs is lose their anti trust exemption.
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@raesone_psn said in I like Rob Manfred:
Y'all gotta relax. Kieran created this thread, knowing it's a polarized topic. He enjoys himself at this moment when he sees people going at each other. Y'all forgot what trolls do?
But I am bored waiting for appointment
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The many blunders of Manfred still don’t make him the worst in pro sports. I’d give that to Bettman. The only commissioner to cancel an entire season for a labour dispute and has had two more lockouts that I can remember. The game isn’t growing in popularity, franchises are being financially supported by the big clubs(Looking at you Arizona) and he continues to water down the league with new franchises. The NHL is also probably the worst league at marketing it’s stars. Ovechkin, Crosby, McDavid and Matthews as examples. None of them are really household names in the sports world like Brady, James, Trout etc. Now I realize part of that is on the players because they don’t market themselves well either.
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@raesone_psn said in I like Rob Manfred:
Y'all gotta relax. Kieran created this thread, knowing it's a polarized topic. He enjoys himself at this moment when he sees people going at each other. Y'all forgot what trolls do?
It can get annoying; no doubt.
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@slipknot-008_xbl said in I like Rob Manfred:
The many blunders of Manfred still don’t make him the worst in pro sports. I’d give that to Bettman. The only commissioner to cancel an entire season for a labour dispute and has had two more lockouts that I can remember. The game isn’t growing in popularity, franchises are being financially supported by the big clubs(Looking at you Arizona) and he continues to water down the league with new franchises. The NHL is also probably the worst league at marketing it’s stars. Ovechkin, Crosby, McDavid and Matthews as examples. None of them are really household names in the sports world like Brady, James, Trout etc. Now I realize part of that is on the players because they don’t market themselves well either.
Hockey as a whole isn't a popular sport in America. NHL is a very very small portion of hockey globally. Overseas, Hockey is more popular and thus profitable.
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@slipknot-008_xbl said in I like Rob Manfred:
The many blunders of Manfred still don’t make him the worst in pro sports. I’d give that to Bettman. The only commissioner to cancel an entire season for a labour dispute and has had two more lockouts that I can remember. The game isn’t growing in popularity, franchises are being financially supported by the big clubs(Looking at you Arizona) and he continues to water down the league with new franchises. The NHL is also probably the worst league at marketing it’s stars. Ovechkin, Crosby, McDavid and Matthews as examples. None of them are really household names in the sports world like Brady, James, Trout etc. Now I realize part of that is on the players because they don’t market themselves well either.
Just realized the fundamental flaw in your argument after i responded. You said pro sports. You do realize pro sports is a global term right? Should of said USA Professional sports. Rugby and Soccer ( only really called Soccer in the states ) are the most popular sports globally.
