Ran into another zen user a while ago
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@spc_garza_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
What the hell is Zen?
It is a device that allows the person to throw perfect pitches every time. With what I have seen my best guess is that when you are placing where you want the pitch to go it goes exactly where the baseball is every time. You know when you are placing the pitch you have the ball surrounded by the PAR. I think it goes to the ball and the PAR means nothing with a zen. It is the only explanation of people dotting non-stop with low control pitches.
I have played a ton of games and really have only thought they were using it on two so far. Easier to spot in 9 inning games and pitchers with low control pitchers. Reported both but couldn't attach the video. SDS needs to get a handle on this.
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@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
This is why I offered to stream our game, because you accused me of using it myself. The offers still open, last time you ran away.
Even with zen, par applies. However, all balls have a "par" tendency, and it's different with each pitcher. If you know the tendancy of the ball you know where to set the par. From there, you can get dots every time.
The only way to actually see the par is to use pulse pitching, which has always been the most accurate, and gives the most feedback.
The guy was using pulse.
"It's crazy to dudes who tried to troll me aren't on your post"
Some of us sleep boss. We aren't trolling. When you accuse someone of cheating, expect us to want to prove your accusation false.
Logic, it's not just a class in college.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
So when you play these guys are you saying they don’t throw any balls the whole game? Literally every pitch is on the black?
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@timshady10_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
So when you play these guys are you saying they don’t throw any balls the whole game? Literally every pitch is on the black?
That's the claim, but all of his recent game logs suggest otherwise. I understand people are upset about zen, it shouldn't be in the game.
However, the videos I've seen show that it's far from perfect, and just slightly boosts your chances of having better results from "RNG".
It's like using classic pitching and directional hitting, with a slight increase in results. It's not a God cheat, it's just not that good.
Someone was in here going crazy about it a while back, posted a video of a guy using it to hit. In the video, the guy was hitting routine fly balls to center field on practice mode, and struggled to hit HR's in the HR derby with Zen. It's not what people think it is.
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@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@timshady10_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
So when you play these guys are you saying they don’t throw any balls the whole game? Literally every pitch is on the black?
That's the claim, but all of his recent game logs suggest otherwise. I understand people are upset about zen, it shouldn't be in the game.
However, the videos I've seen show that it's far from perfect, and just slightly boosts your chances of having better results from "RNG".
It's like using classic pitching and directional hitting, with a slight increase in results. It's not a God cheat, it's just not that good.
Someone was in here going crazy about it a while back, posted a video of a guy using it to hit. In the video, the guy was hitting routine fly balls to center field on practice mode, and struggled to hit HR's in the HR derby with Zen. It's not what people think it is.
Yeah I saw the video of the dude using it to hit that was a joke. And honestly I feel like if you want to compete with the top guys you’re gonna get smoked throwing in the strike zone with every single pitch, even if it’s on the black every time.
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@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
Are you the poster saying people are using Zen to hit?
I don't think there is any question that people are using Zen for PPP, but to say people are using Zen to hit, that is different.
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@nflman2033_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
Are you the poster saying people are using Zen to hit?
I don't think there is any question that people are using Zen for PPP, but to say people are using Zen to hit, that is different.
I agree 100% that some people are using it, no doubt due to this brainiac posting about it in the forums. I always find if you want to get rid of something in a video game, advertising it for the masses is a great way to do it.
It's useless for hitting, as the videos demonstrated. If every pitch is in the zone, it's pretty easy to line up the PCI and go to town, especially if you know it's not going to be a ball.
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@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
This is why I offered to stream our game, because you accused me of using it myself. The offers still open, last time you ran away.
Even with zen, par applies. However, all balls have a "par" tendency, and it's different with each pitcher. If you know the tendancy of the ball you know where to set the par. From there, you can get dots every time.
The only way to actually see the par is to use pulse pitching, which has always been the most accurate, and gives the most feedback.
The guy was using pulse.
"It's crazy to dudes who tried to troll me aren't on your post"
Some of us sleep boss. We aren't trolling. When you accuse someone of cheating, expect us to want to prove your accusation false.
Logic, it's not just a class in college.
PAR is available for every control method for pitching now in 21. Pulse is also not the most accurate method, and the only feedback it's ever given was the timing aspect of your button press. Yes, it was the only one that gave you a visual indication before this year of your anticipated pitch location.
I do agree outside of pitching the Zen isn't really that effective. Using one while pitching on HOF or legend would be pretty beneficial though. When the pitch speeds go up and PCIs get smaller the ability to make perfect inputs constantly would be a huge benefit.
The issue these dummies using it have though is the scripts they use bork their fielding ability. I don't know if they have a way to catch people using them or not. Judging by how rampant they are in 2k and it's still a problem.
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@chuck_dizzle29 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
This is why I offered to stream our game, because you accused me of using it myself. The offers still open, last time you ran away.
Even with zen, par applies. However, all balls have a "par" tendency, and it's different with each pitcher. If you know the tendancy of the ball you know where to set the par. From there, you can get dots every time.
The only way to actually see the par is to use pulse pitching, which has always been the most accurate, and gives the most feedback.
The guy was using pulse.
"It's crazy to dudes who tried to troll me aren't on your post"
Some of us sleep boss. We aren't trolling. When you accuse someone of cheating, expect us to want to prove your accusation false.
Logic, it's not just a class in college.
PAR is available for every control method for pitching now in 21. Pulse is also not the most accurate method, and the only feedback it's ever given was the timing aspect of your button press. Yes, it was the only one that gave you a visual indication before this year of your anticipated pitch location.
I do agree outside of pitching the Zen isn't really that effective. Using one while pitching on HOF or legend would be pretty beneficial though. When the pitch speeds go up and PCIs get smaller the ability to make perfect inputs constantly would be a huge benefit.
The issue these dummies using it have though is the scripts they use bork their fielding ability. I don't know if they have a way to catch people using them or not. Judging by how rampant they are in 2k and it's still a problem.
The pulse circle and the par circle is the exact same thing. The timing on pulse is more difficult for sure, but no other input method shows you the actual par circle.
SDS introduced par this year because, in part, pulse (par, same thing), was the most consistent and people need to be rewarded for their good inputs.
The entire point of my post is that us pulse users know how to dot pitches with our pitchers, as there is a method to the madness.
Oswalt FB's go exactly in the center of the circle, every time. But if you try to dot the bottom left corner with Oswalt's slider, it's going to end up a few inches in the zone and get crushed, thus you have to aim a few inches outside of the zone for dots. Valenzuela changeups end up at the top right of the circle, every time, etc. etc. etc.
You can't control that with zen, thus it's just not that good, and not able to dot corners. There aren't enough variables in the software to account for all pitchers, and their tendencies.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
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@timshady10_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
So when you play these guys are you saying they don’t throw any balls the whole game? Literally every pitch is on the black?
No, I think the guy last night threw exactly where he wanted to. Not every pitch was on the black but almost every strike the ball was right on the line or in the corner. Every offspeed pitch but 1 I can remember he threw with Lee Smith was on the black. This is simply not possible with his control rating.
If they are hitting the black or corners all game especially with low control pitches they are using a zen. It just isn't humanly possible. If Maddux is dotting with his sinker that he has 99 control on that is definitely possible with a skilled pinpoint user. If Nolan Ryan is dotting all game he is using a zen. Like I said before, the PAR rating is dependent on the control the player has with that pitch (sure seems so at least). Since I don't know the exact numbers say Maddux has 99 control on his sinker. His PAR would be the size of the baseball which means on perfect the ball should go to that area. Say Ryan has 45 on curve ball. His PAR region will be huge. Even if you get perfect the ball should go somewhere in that region. No chance every ball in that size of PAR would go on the black or corner every time.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@timshady10_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
So when you play these guys are you saying they don’t throw any balls the whole game? Literally every pitch is on the black?
No, I think the guy last night threw exactly where he wanted to. Not every pitch was on the black but almost every strike the ball was right on the line or in the corner. Every offspeed pitch but 1 I can remember he threw with Lee Smith was on the black. This is simply not possible with his control rating.
If they are hitting the black or corners all game especially with low control pitches they are using a zen. It just isn't humanly possible. If Maddux is dotting with his sinker that he has 99 control on that is definitely possible with a skilled pinpoint user. If Nolan Ryan is dotting all game he is using a zen. Like I said before, the PAR rating is dependent on the control the player has with that pitch (sure seems so at least). Since I don't know the exact numbers say Maddux has 99 control on his sinker. His PAR would be the size of the baseball which means on perfect the ball should go to that area. Say Ryan has 45 on curve ball. His PAR region will be huge. Even if you get perfect the ball should go somewhere in that region. No chance every ball in that size of PAR would go on the black or corner every time.
I don’t know. In ranked seasons I dot every pitch the entire game as my guys have full stamina and I don’t leave them in too long.
Even when I was using Future Star Kopech who had low control and a large PAR I would still dot the pitch. It seems energy plays a large role in the pitch going exactly where you want despite what the PAR radius shows.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
People aren't arguing that zen isn't in the game, we all know it is, thanks in part to a dude in these comments who made a huge post about it, telling the entire community about it (thanks champ).
We do question the quality of the program though. There are far too many variables with pitchers, pitch selection, timing, etc. for it to work with all pitchers. In the video, they show that there are setups for specific pitchers. So I guess if you just use those 5 or 6 guys they have pre-sets for, it would work like you're suggesting it does.
On the other hand pin point pitching is OP right now, and there is almost no penalty for missing your inputs. That's true with all pitchers.
Thus, Occam's razor suggests it's pinpoint pitching that is the real culprit.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
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@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
People aren't arguing that zen isn't in the game, we all know it is, thanks in part to a dude in these comments who made a huge post about it, telling the entire community about it (thanks champ).
We do question the quality of the program though. There are far too many variables with pitchers, pitch selection, timing, etc. for it to work with all pitchers. In the video, they show that there are setups for specific pitchers. So I guess if you just use those 5 or 6 guys they have pre-sets for, it would work like you're suggesting it does.
On the other hand pin point pitching is OP right now, and there is almost no penalty for missing your inputs. That's true with all pitchers.
Thus, Occam's razor suggests it's pinpoint pitching that is the real culprit.
This is correct. Pin point is way too strong and broken. You don't have to even be accurate with the pitches to get a dot. Just hit your release point and it's going to be a dot.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
Can we match up for one of those quits? Lol. I'm just kidding but this is disheartening in general.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
I think your idea of dots and mine are completely different. Go to custom practice with Nolan Ryan. Here are Nolan's pitches and control:
4 seam 82
Curve 73
Change 52
2 seam 47Try to hit the black and corner every time with any of these bottom 3 pitches. You won't because the PAR is too big. That is how the game is designed. This surely seems to me what the zen allows you to do. Put it on the baseball and not being affected by the PAR. I could be wrong but I know my perfects don't hit right on the line or the corner on pitches because of par.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
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@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bwheel1977_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
I hit the mark 9 out ten times. I don't use zens. It has to do with pitcher confidence. if you can't get that low then he will get calls and be able to hit the spot almost at will.
So my last 4 legend games are:
13 innings 6 hits 1 run
9 innings 2 hits 0 runs
5 innings 2 hits 1 run
9 innings 3 hits 0 runsDon't you think my confidence was pretty high in those games? It was and the ball was still going in the PAR when I did a perfect release. I wasn't all the sudden dotting with a 75 control pitch. It was going in the perfect area region like it is supposed to. You are not hitting the lines and corners all game with low control pitches unless you are using a zen. You just aren't.
Your argument doesn't make sense my dude. The zen only helps you hit perfects with the pitcher and can't change the code in the game controlling where the pitch goes so it would still be subject to the same par system. Again i never miss down the middle and throw low control pitches for dots all the time.
I can hit perfect with a pitch that has 60 control or so and the PAR is a quarter of the strike zone. It will end up in there but not a dot every time. Not even close. By dot, I mean on the black or in the corner. You are not hitting the corner or black with low control pitches. If you are, we are playing a different game. I hit perfects all the time. You don't give up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings throwing balls over the middle of the plate.
Again what is your argument? Are you saying that the zen's are actually changing the par system? because that isn't happening and probably isn't possible until the game gets on pc. A zen will just allow you to throw the same repetitive perfect/perfects. It will still be forced to go where the par systems tells it too. Again if you look at my pitcher analysis at the end o the game, all the dots are going to be around the corners.. I think your argument is pinpoint is too strong and you don't know that is the argument you are making. I agree with that ....
Right, the guy posts that he's given up 13 hits and 2 runs in 36 innings, that's the strongest argument to support pinpoint anyone's made.
He's upset about pinpoint being so forgiving, as many of us are. But, it's new, they'll adjust accordingly. SDS is all about data, and they require huge sample sizes before making changes. I'd expect a patch in a month or so if this continues to be an issue.
