Ran into another zen user a while ago
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Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
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I mentioned it once on here! they called me everything but a child of god
. The guy actually tried to say it doesn’t help at all and proceeded with the well you suck I’ll stream our game!! Like really? At first they said it’s not true! Then when the video proof came. They said it didn’t help smh I came from 2k it literally broke the game. -
The video I watched the guy literally held one button and the PCI automatically hit the spot the only thing he had to do was time it.. Now honestly I’ve been seeing u in the forum a while!!! Truthfully do u think that would help? And if the answers no I digress
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@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
The video I watched the guy literally held one button and the PCI automatically hit the spot the only thing he had to do was time it.. Now honestly I’ve been seeing u in the forum a while!!! Truthfully do u think that would help? And if the answers no I digress
I have played this game online since 17 and never thought anyone was cheating. It is here in 21, I promise you. You can't constantly dot pitches on pitches with low control. Even on perfect it goes within the PAR which is bigger the worse the control is.
I have a good idea how SDS could see this but I don't want to put it out here.
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I do not doubt any of this. People always find a way to get a competitive advantage online. Hopefully this community doesn’t become what the 2K community is
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I had some guy dotting both low corners of the zone with Kopech. Dot after dot. He didn’t know how to pitch though because he got super predictable and I knew it was going to be on an outer corner and just sat on it.
I was in like the 400s at the time so it was pretty impressive with the accuracy
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
What the hell is Zen?
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What the hell is Zen?
That's what I asked myself when I first read this post. Then I looked it up on YouTube (with MLB The Show 21) and saw what it is, how people cheat with it, and this dude even admitted to using it in DD RS games!
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The PAR stays exactly the same whether you use this stuff or not. So if you use a zen you can only get perfect input with the help of a script, but you can still throw a ball because of the PAR just like how you can throw a ball when you get a 100% perfect release manually.
A Zen does not alter the game's programming and somehow miraculously eliminates the PAR. So that mechanic is definitely still in place and you can still miss despite perfect input. All it does is allow you to get perfect input on every pitch based on a motion script.
Now I agree there is no place for this and people who use it should be permabanned.
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It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
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@raesone_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
The PAR stays exactly the same whether you use this stuff or not. So if you use a zen you can only get perfect input with the help of a script, but you can still throw a ball because of the PAR just like how you can throw a ball when you get a 100% perfect release manually.
A Zen does not alter the game's programming and somehow miraculously eliminates the PAR. So that mechanic is definitely still in place and you can still miss despite perfect input. All it does is allow you to get perfect input on every pitch based on a motion script.
Now I agree there is no place for this and people who use it should be permabanned.
Yes, the PAR is still there because that is programmed in the game but I have a feeling when you use a zen, the ball goes where the ball is in the PAR. Therefore, the PAR doesn't mean anything when someone is using a zen. It is impossible to constantly dot pitches with low control pitches due to the PAR. It is the only explanation. The PAR has no effect with a zen and the ball goes where the ball is.
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@spc_garza_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
What the hell is Zen?
It is a device that allows the person to throw perfect pitches every time. With what I have seen my best guess is that when you are placing where you want the pitch to go it goes exactly where the baseball is every time. You know when you are placing the pitch you have the ball surrounded by the PAR. I think it goes to the ball and the PAR means nothing with a zen. It is the only explanation of people dotting non-stop with low control pitches.
I have played a ton of games and really have only thought they were using it on two so far. Easier to spot in 9 inning games and pitchers with low control pitchers. Reported both but couldn't attach the video. SDS needs to get a handle on this.
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@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
This is why I offered to stream our game, because you accused me of using it myself. The offers still open, last time you ran away.
Even with zen, par applies. However, all balls have a "par" tendency, and it's different with each pitcher. If you know the tendancy of the ball you know where to set the par. From there, you can get dots every time.
The only way to actually see the par is to use pulse pitching, which has always been the most accurate, and gives the most feedback.
The guy was using pulse.
"It's crazy to dudes who tried to troll me aren't on your post"
Some of us sleep boss. We aren't trolling. When you accuse someone of cheating, expect us to want to prove your accusation false.
Logic, it's not just a class in college.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
So when you play these guys are you saying they don’t throw any balls the whole game? Literally every pitch is on the black?
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@timshady10_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
So when you play these guys are you saying they don’t throw any balls the whole game? Literally every pitch is on the black?
That's the claim, but all of his recent game logs suggest otherwise. I understand people are upset about zen, it shouldn't be in the game.
However, the videos I've seen show that it's far from perfect, and just slightly boosts your chances of having better results from "RNG".
It's like using classic pitching and directional hitting, with a slight increase in results. It's not a God cheat, it's just not that good.
Someone was in here going crazy about it a while back, posted a video of a guy using it to hit. In the video, the guy was hitting routine fly balls to center field on practice mode, and struggled to hit HR's in the HR derby with Zen. It's not what people think it is.
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@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@timshady10_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
Pretty obvious when you run into one of these pitchers. The guy I played was hitting the line and corner whenever he wanted with any pitch.
You see, the PAR will not allow you to do this all the time. For instance, I think Lee Smith forkball is 77 control which is a fairly big PAR. Even if you were to hit perfect you could not hit the black or corner every time. The PAR system will not allow it. From what I see, the zen goes wherever you put the ball.
I know some people will say you lost. I don't care about the loss. I've already made WS. A loss means nothing to me. If it makes anyone feel better, I will get on tomorrow night and quit out of 5 games straight. This has zero to do with wins and losses. There are people using this device online. Super easy to spot during the course of a 9 inning game. Even if you are perfect on every pitch, you are not going to dot the corners whenever you want with any pitch. Easier to do with Maddux yes but like a Lee Smith forkball, you are not going to dot the corners with that pitch due to PAR.
People want to complain about pinpoint pitching. The main problem is there are people using the zen online in this game. Hopefully SDS does something about it because it is pretty easy to spot. Watch any top level player and they will not put every pitch where they want. They will either miss the perfect or the PAR will be too big for that particular pitch to allow this.
So when you play these guys are you saying they don’t throw any balls the whole game? Literally every pitch is on the black?
That's the claim, but all of his recent game logs suggest otherwise. I understand people are upset about zen, it shouldn't be in the game.
However, the videos I've seen show that it's far from perfect, and just slightly boosts your chances of having better results from "RNG".
It's like using classic pitching and directional hitting, with a slight increase in results. It's not a God cheat, it's just not that good.
Someone was in here going crazy about it a while back, posted a video of a guy using it to hit. In the video, the guy was hitting routine fly balls to center field on practice mode, and struggled to hit HR's in the HR derby with Zen. It's not what people think it is.
Yeah I saw the video of the dude using it to hit that was a joke. And honestly I feel like if you want to compete with the top guys you’re gonna get smoked throwing in the strike zone with every single pitch, even if it’s on the black every time.
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@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
Are you the poster saying people are using Zen to hit?
I don't think there is any question that people are using Zen for PPP, but to say people are using Zen to hit, that is different.
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@nflman2033_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
Are you the poster saying people are using Zen to hit?
I don't think there is any question that people are using Zen for PPP, but to say people are using Zen to hit, that is different.
I agree 100% that some people are using it, no doubt due to this brainiac posting about it in the forums. I always find if you want to get rid of something in a video game, advertising it for the masses is a great way to do it.
It's useless for hitting, as the videos demonstrated. If every pitch is in the zone, it's pretty easy to line up the PCI and go to town, especially if you know it's not going to be a ball.
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@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
This is why I offered to stream our game, because you accused me of using it myself. The offers still open, last time you ran away.
Even with zen, par applies. However, all balls have a "par" tendency, and it's different with each pitcher. If you know the tendancy of the ball you know where to set the par. From there, you can get dots every time.
The only way to actually see the par is to use pulse pitching, which has always been the most accurate, and gives the most feedback.
The guy was using pulse.
"It's crazy to dudes who tried to troll me aren't on your post"
Some of us sleep boss. We aren't trolling. When you accuse someone of cheating, expect us to want to prove your accusation false.
Logic, it's not just a class in college.
PAR is available for every control method for pitching now in 21. Pulse is also not the most accurate method, and the only feedback it's ever given was the timing aspect of your button press. Yes, it was the only one that gave you a visual indication before this year of your anticipated pitch location.
I do agree outside of pitching the Zen isn't really that effective. Using one while pitching on HOF or legend would be pretty beneficial though. When the pitch speeds go up and PCIs get smaller the ability to make perfect inputs constantly would be a huge benefit.
The issue these dummies using it have though is the scripts they use bork their fielding ability. I don't know if they have a way to catch people using them or not. Judging by how rampant they are in 2k and it's still a problem.
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@chuck_dizzle29 said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@lucas8181_psn said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
@bigceddibiase said in Ran into another zen user a while ago:
It’s crazy those to Dudes who tried to troll me aren’t on your post... the one guy replies to every single thread. I’m almost convinced they use this themselves. It’s ridiculous people use BS on a videogame. Lol what type [censored] are u in real life
This is why I offered to stream our game, because you accused me of using it myself. The offers still open, last time you ran away.
Even with zen, par applies. However, all balls have a "par" tendency, and it's different with each pitcher. If you know the tendancy of the ball you know where to set the par. From there, you can get dots every time.
The only way to actually see the par is to use pulse pitching, which has always been the most accurate, and gives the most feedback.
The guy was using pulse.
"It's crazy to dudes who tried to troll me aren't on your post"
Some of us sleep boss. We aren't trolling. When you accuse someone of cheating, expect us to want to prove your accusation false.
Logic, it's not just a class in college.
PAR is available for every control method for pitching now in 21. Pulse is also not the most accurate method, and the only feedback it's ever given was the timing aspect of your button press. Yes, it was the only one that gave you a visual indication before this year of your anticipated pitch location.
I do agree outside of pitching the Zen isn't really that effective. Using one while pitching on HOF or legend would be pretty beneficial though. When the pitch speeds go up and PCIs get smaller the ability to make perfect inputs constantly would be a huge benefit.
The issue these dummies using it have though is the scripts they use bork their fielding ability. I don't know if they have a way to catch people using them or not. Judging by how rampant they are in 2k and it's still a problem.
The pulse circle and the par circle is the exact same thing. The timing on pulse is more difficult for sure, but no other input method shows you the actual par circle.
SDS introduced par this year because, in part, pulse (par, same thing), was the most consistent and people need to be rewarded for their good inputs.
The entire point of my post is that us pulse users know how to dot pitches with our pitchers, as there is a method to the madness.
Oswalt FB's go exactly in the center of the circle, every time. But if you try to dot the bottom left corner with Oswalt's slider, it's going to end up a few inches in the zone and get crushed, thus you have to aim a few inches outside of the zone for dots. Valenzuela changeups end up at the top right of the circle, every time, etc. etc. etc.
You can't control that with zen, thus it's just not that good, and not able to dot corners. There aren't enough variables in the software to account for all pitchers, and their tendencies.
