SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?
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@washednd_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@matt_42187_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Keep the card in game until the courts find him guilty. MLB is probably trying to be proactive and cutting ties with him regardless what a court would find. I remember when Kobe Bryant was accused of rape...glad NBA didn't jump the gun and axe him from the league before trial.
The notion that people shouldn’t be held responsible for wrong doings unless convicted is not the best take.
Every situation is unique. Ray Rice knocked out his girlfriend on camera, no conviction. Joe Mixon threw one of the most vicious punches on a girl, no conviction. Kareem Hunt kicked a woman...it was stupid but didn’t appear too violent....no conviction.
Kobe wasn’t convicted but didn’t be settle it out of court?
Even some people get convicted (Vick) and still are welcomed back. He ran a dog torture operation and was part of the torture and admitted it. He returned to NFL and is a host.
My point is: it’s not a one size fits all situation. Kobe and Vick were so popular their demons were forgiven. Tiger Woods gets a pass for all of his sins. People don’t even talk about Deshaun Watson much on the main stream.
Rice - never played another down after the video.
Mixon - happened in college and was convicted I do believe. But to his defense, the girl assaulted him first, spit in his face, and was called racial slurs. I'm sure alcohol didn't help the situation.
Hunt - girl never pressed charges & was suspended 8 games.Kobe cheated on his wife. The accuser was a basket case who was schizo. She also had [censored] with a bunch of dudes after the encounter. She didnt want to testify under oath. She was just looking for a pay day.
Vick never killed/hurt people. Unfortunately, animals are considered property, not people. So, in the court of law, it doesn't look as bad. But he did serve time in person and lost everything.
Woods never hurt anybody, just had [censored] with anything that walked.
My point is: If you're still playing and decent at it, you're going to find a job again at some point. If you're retired, it's easier to just cut ties and move on.
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Just switch him out for a Lou Whittaker or a higher end joe Morgan and I’ll be ok
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Agree with everything but the Mixon note. He was not convicted I think she got paid. Also she vehemently denied racial comment while admitting she did slap him. Not sure if you saw the video but oh my word that was the most vicious punch. I don’t think a reasonable person would view her as any type of threat. Mixon didn’t comment on it again, other than I think saying he had a meeting with her where he apologized.
That punch will always be burned into my memory. Broke several bones in her face....
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@washednd_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Agree with everything but the Mixon note. He was not convicted I think she got paid. Also she vehemently denied racial comment while admitting she did slap him. Not sure if you saw the video but oh my word that was the most vicious punch. I don’t think a reasonable person would view her as any type of threat. Mixon didn’t comment on it again, other than I think saying he had a meeting with her where he apologized.
That punch will always be burned into my memory. Broke several bones in her face....
I haven't seen the mixon video since it came out. So my memory is a little blurry about it. But i know he reached a plea agreement with the cops. I assumed that means he was convicted. Personally, the girl should have been charged as well. I don't think he would have punched her if she didn't slap, spit, and call him racial slurs.
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It’s a card in a video game. Just use someone else at second base and move on. Do we really need to organize boycotts and movements every day?
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Thats it. Lets just cancel baseball too due to its racist past
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Sounds a bit like guilty until proven innocent. His off field behavior prior to retirement shouldn’t effect his accomplishments on the field. One is not related to the other. If you don’t like the guy don’t use him no need to ruin it for the rest of us.
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There have been rumors about Alomar dating back to his playing days. I am surprised that the accuser is a lady tbh since I figured he was the Met I suspected which led to Mike Piazza's insane press conference.
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I find it comical how everyone comes in here yelling saying “don’t make it political” and those yelling are the ones bringing up politicians. I just want SDS to stand for values they put on the table. They’re pro BLM and aren’t shy about it. They’re pro LGTBQ+ and aren’t shy about it (again, you can add ally flags to custom stadiums), but they still put out extra cards of abusers just because they’re good at baseball. It’s that simple. I’m not trying to cancel anything. I’m just trying to seek consistency here. Were they apolitical, I wouldn’t have started this thread. But quite simply, stand up for all or stand up for none. Ask the dev team to give us a card exchange and lock the topic @Collin_SDS_PSN because the loud ones have consumed this thread and pulled it well beyond the boundaries of the discussion.
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Kids getting butthurt by cards now? Wow, such a soft world we live in now.
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@bigchiefsmoky_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Kids getting butthurt by cards now? Wow, such a soft world we live in now.
Imagine this kid growing up in the 1980s
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@elboracho247_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Stop with the cancel culture BS, He hasn’t been found guilty in a court of law so just relax already. It’s just a card in a game If you’re that concerned don’t use the card.
It's not "cancel culture", it's "consequence culture". Major difference. People are being held accountable for their actions like any sane society.
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@sagacious1_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@elboracho247_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Stop with the cancel culture BS, He hasn’t been found guilty in a court of law so just relax already. It’s just a card in a game If you’re that concerned don’t use the card.
It's not "cancel culture", it's "consequence culture". Major difference. People are being held accountable for their actions like any sane society.
It's cancrl culture for the right. Different languages.
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@zooropa_returns said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
I'm typical but the comment I responded to gets nothing? Typical inconsistency exposed again.
We all can watch our favorite cable host and regurgitate their talking points. We are here for baseball. Remember that most of us don't care.
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@elboracho247_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Stop with the cancel culture BS, He hasn’t been found guilty in a court of law so just relax already. It’s just a card in a game If you’re that concerned don’t use the card.
Fist bump bro. You nailed it.
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this guy fist bumps
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@sheyworth_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
I find it comical how everyone comes in here yelling saying “don’t make it political” and those yelling are the ones bringing up politicians. I just want SDS to stand for values they put on the table. They’re pro BLM and aren’t shy about it. They’re pro LGTBQ+ and aren’t shy about it (again, you can add ally flags to custom stadiums), but they still put out extra cards of abusers just because they’re good at baseball. It’s that simple. I’m not trying to cancel anything. I’m just trying to seek consistency here. Were they apolitical, I wouldn’t have started this thread. But quite simply, stand up for all or stand up for none. Ask the dev team to give us a card exchange and lock the topic @Collin_SDS_PSN because the loud ones have consumed this thread and pulled it well beyond the boundaries of the discussion.
The problem with consistency is that these issues are complicated. Once you weigh into the waters of moral and political issues it becomes messy... One big reason guys like Michael Jordan and TW stayed out of it.
You mention BLM for example, I'm sure SDS, you, most people believe in the slogan, the idea.. but the reality and background of the founders, who just happen to be padding their pockets with sucker corpo cash is much different... https://nypost.com/2020/07/01/the-agenda-of-black-lives-matter-is-far-different-from-the-slogan/
Right now the popular thing to do, both for individuals and business seemingly is to signal to everyone how morally just you are... Some of us have been around long enough to recognize it's all an act, and people are getting their strings pulled dancing around like puppets.
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@hubijerk_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@sheyworth_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
I find it comical how everyone comes in here yelling saying “don’t make it political” and those yelling are the ones bringing up politicians. I just want SDS to stand for values they put on the table. They’re pro BLM and aren’t shy about it. They’re pro LGTBQ+ and aren’t shy about it (again, you can add ally flags to custom stadiums), but they still put out extra cards of abusers just because they’re good at baseball. It’s that simple. I’m not trying to cancel anything. I’m just trying to seek consistency here. Were they apolitical, I wouldn’t have started this thread. But quite simply, stand up for all or stand up for none. Ask the dev team to give us a card exchange and lock the topic @Collin_SDS_PSN because the loud ones have consumed this thread and pulled it well beyond the boundaries of the discussion.
The problem with consistency is that these issues are complicated. Once you weigh into the waters of moral and political issues it becomes messy... One big reason guys like Michael Jordan and TW stayed out of it.
You mention BLM for example, I'm sure SDS, you, most people believe in the slogan, the idea.. but the reality and background of the founders, who just happen to be padding their pockets with sucker corpo cash is much different... https://nypost.com/2020/07/01/the-agenda-of-black-lives-matter-is-far-different-from-the-slogan/
Right now the popular thing to do, both for individuals and business seemingly is to signal to everyone how morally just you are... Some of us have been around long enough to recognize it's all an act, and people are getting their strings pulled dancing around like puppets.
good points.but MJ stayed out for money. he was no Ali.
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@hubijerk_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@sheyworth_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
I find it comical how everyone comes in here yelling saying “don’t make it political” and those yelling are the ones bringing up politicians. I just want SDS to stand for values they put on the table. They’re pro BLM and aren’t shy about it. They’re pro LGTBQ+ and aren’t shy about it (again, you can add ally flags to custom stadiums), but they still put out extra cards of abusers just because they’re good at baseball. It’s that simple. I’m not trying to cancel anything. I’m just trying to seek consistency here. Were they apolitical, I wouldn’t have started this thread. But quite simply, stand up for all or stand up for none. Ask the dev team to give us a card exchange and lock the topic @Collin_SDS_PSN because the loud ones have consumed this thread and pulled it well beyond the boundaries of the discussion.
The problem with consistency is that these issues are complicated. Once you weigh into the waters of moral and political issues it becomes messy... One big reason guys like Michael Jordan and TW stayed out of it.
You mention BLM for example, I'm sure SDS, you, most people believe in the slogan, the idea.. but the reality and background of the founders, who just happen to be padding their pockets with sucker corpo cash is much different... https://nypost.com/2020/07/01/the-agenda-of-black-lives-matter-is-far-different-from-the-slogan/
Right now the popular thing to do, both for individuals and business seemingly is to signal to everyone how morally just you are... Some of us have been around long enough to recognize it's all an act, and people are getting their strings pulled dancing around like puppets.
Everything you said there sounded great and quite accurate and then you posted an article from NYPost, which is literally a vitriol bottling facility lol.
I agree - it is messy!
It's up to people to do their own research!
I'm just tired of seeing abusers being treated with a modicum of respect because they're really good at baseball, but SDS can make the time to stand up for these other things (which are all good platforms, in their own way).
If anything, the stand SDS should be making is no abusers. Then the other things shortly behind it.
Why do we need three Chapman cards a year? Hopefully, going forward, we don't with Garrett Crochet and other flamethrowers around. But they started this year off with a rookie card.
In short - they shouldn't have jobs anymore. In the case of Alomar, he truly DOESN'T have a job anymore. So therefore, he shouldn't be in the game anymore. They paid rights to him, and they should be getting their money back on that.
Let's hold our heroes to a higher standard.
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@washednd_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@matt_42187_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Keep the card in game until the courts find him guilty. MLB is probably trying to be proactive and cutting ties with him regardless what a court would find. I remember when Kobe Bryant was accused of rape...glad NBA didn't jump the gun and axe him from the league before trial.
The notion that people shouldn’t be held responsible for wrong doings unless convicted is not the best take.
Every situation is unique. Ray Rice knocked out his girlfriend on camera, no conviction. Joe Mixon threw one of the most vicious punches on a girl, no conviction. Kareem Hunt kicked a woman...it was stupid but didn’t appear too violent....no conviction.
Kobe wasn’t convicted but didn’t be settle it out of court?
Even some people get convicted (Vick) and still are welcomed back. He ran a dog torture operation and was part of the torture and admitted it. He returned to NFL and is a host.
My point is: it’s not a one size fits all situation. Kobe and Vick were so popular their demons were forgiven. Tiger Woods gets a pass for all of his sins. People don’t even talk about Deshaun Watson much on the main stream.
Justin Gimelstob was on the tennis board of governors for months after viciously assaulting a man in public and then pleading 'no contest' (California guilty) -- and the tennis establishment was so disconnected that most weren't even aware that a no contest plea is technically an admission of guilt. He was finally booted out but it was a pretty good example that even convictions and admissions of guilt won't always be enough to get a scumbag out of a top sports position. At least not immediately. In Gimelstob's case there was a sustained effort to get tennis colleagues to recognise the severity of what he'd done.
