SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?
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@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@fredyellowone_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
As long as we dont know what happened,
As long as no charges are pressed,
Then removing him is exactly that, cancel culture.
MLB is not law court.a business has the right to cut ties with their employees if they find that theyir employee doesnt represent them the way theyd like. this isnt cancel culture. matter of fact the public didnt even know anything about this to even call for him to be cancelled. MLB received the evidence and they made a decision. simple as that. if they wouldve banned him based off of public outcry then I would agree with you but this isnt the case.
It just concerns me that you, and so many others, are willing to just accept that this man is guilty of something when you haven’t been privy to any evidence of wrongdoing.
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@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@fredyellowone_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
As long as we dont know what happened,
As long as no charges are pressed,
Then removing him is exactly that, cancel culture.
MLB is not law court.a business has the right to cut ties with their employees if they find that theyir employee doesnt represent them the way theyd like. this isnt cancel culture. matter of fact the public didnt even know anything about this to even call for him to be cancelled. MLB received the evidence and they made a decision. simple as that. if they wouldve banned him based off of public outcry then I would agree with you but this isnt the case.
It just concerns me that you, and so many others, are willing to just accept that this man is guilty of something when you haven’t been privy to any evidence of wrongdoing.
Never once did I say he was guilty. Im saying I trust a multi billion dollar business when it says its had professionals look into the matter and found sufficient enough evidence to no longer want him to be part of the MLB. Matter of fact you can find one of my posts where I said im not saying hes guilty or should go to prison. but it would be Naive to think that MLB banned him with 0 evidence.
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Keep the card in game until the courts find him guilty. MLB is probably trying to be proactive and cutting ties with him regardless what a court would find. I remember when Kobe Bryant was accused of rape...glad NBA didn't jump the gun and axe him from the league before trial.
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@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@vein_damage_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Yeah, MLB found him guilty
Yep they found him so guilty that they won’t even tell you what he’s guilty of.
its called good PR. simple business practices to not release info that could damage the brand if it is not required for the public to know.
Is it PR for the Blue Jays and the woman accusing him of whatever to not disclose publicly either?
Sorry I’m not going to hang a guy when no one will even tell you what he’s being punished and vilified for.
Exactly. This whole thing just seems a little off. Like they're coming out and saying "We fired Alomar and you shouldn't like him anymore. But we're not gonna tell you why. Just trust us when we say that shouldnt like him anymore."
Wtf does that say about people when they're just like "Ok....thats all i need to hear. Rob Manfred says so."
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@sheyworth_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Long time Jays fan.
Would love a different card after today’s announcement. Or just remove the card in general. I love that The Show stands up for racial equality but it’s time we also stand up and stop promoting cards like this as well.
I know you guys paid for rights for this card, but it just sucks.
Not trying to start an argument but I don’t think this is worth a support ticket. There are other cards too that should be retired as well like the countless Chapman cards each year. But with this news and support from the Blue Jays head office I think it’d be right. I really don’t want to see the card in my inventory and it’s a no sell card so it’s just gonna be kind of bothersome to have him there.
I’m sure there’s others who are gonna speak up in a toxic matter so if this topic needs to be locked or removed I understand, but I’d like to see something done for this.
I have no idea what happened as I've turned off and not read or payed attention to any news for the past 15-16 months at all, but I was a Jays fan growing up and always found Roberto Alomar to be off-putting and rather a poor sportsmanship player. But at the same time, I wish people would stop getting offended by anything and everything, and just grow some thicker skin. (Again, I have no idea what the current events of the world are). It's exactly why I've actively been avoiding "news" from all sources lately.
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@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@fredyellowone_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
As long as we dont know what happened,
As long as no charges are pressed,
Then removing him is exactly that, cancel culture.
MLB is not law court.a business has the right to cut ties with their employees if they find that theyir employee doesnt represent them the way theyd like. this isnt cancel culture. matter of fact the public didnt even know anything about this to even call for him to be cancelled. MLB received the evidence and they made a decision. simple as that. if they wouldve banned him based off of public outcry then I would agree with you but this isnt the case.
It just concerns me that you, and so many others, are willing to just accept that this man is guilty of something when you haven’t been privy to any evidence of wrongdoing.
it would be Naive to think that MLB banned him with 0 evidence.
No it really wouldn't be naive to think he was banned with 0 evidence in 2021. People have lost jobs over accusations. People have been dragged through the mud by the social media courts over hearsay. Like i said earlier, Manfred is [censored] that will avoid confrontation. If nothing was done, if the investigation came up with nothing, there would still be people calling for Alomars head on a pike over accusations. Manfred was gonna get rid of him before any investigation happened because he wouldnt want the backlash that follows.
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@sheyworth_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Imagine needing a safe space because a card was in your inventory. You don't have to use it though and it can be buried by getting better cards...
Seriously no one even knows what he allegedly did so who the hell are we to judge?
I didn’t say safe space? We have pride flags available in custom stadiums, Jackie Robinson on the cover and a huge banner in MLB 20 for a month commemorating BLM. I’m asking all movements to be equally supported.
I wish all "movements" were left as being neutral when it comes to corporations, and let individual people support the movements that they hold dear to themselves and their friends. This is a baseball video game, I don't need their stance on the latest social justice activism movement of the week. Heck, I come to video games to get away from that background noise.
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@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@dewrock_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@ny_giants4_life said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@fredyellowone_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
As long as we dont know what happened,
As long as no charges are pressed,
Then removing him is exactly that, cancel culture.
MLB is not law court.a business has the right to cut ties with their employees if they find that theyir employee doesnt represent them the way theyd like. this isnt cancel culture. matter of fact the public didnt even know anything about this to even call for him to be cancelled. MLB received the evidence and they made a decision. simple as that. if they wouldve banned him based off of public outcry then I would agree with you but this isnt the case.
It just concerns me that you, and so many others, are willing to just accept that this man is guilty of something when you haven’t been privy to any evidence of wrongdoing.
it would be Naive to think that MLB banned him with 0 evidence.
No it really wouldn't be naive to think he was banned with 0 evidence in 2021. People have lost jobs over accusations. People have been dragged through the mud by the social media courts over hearsay. Like i said earlier, Manfred is [censored] that will avoid confrontation. If nothing was done, if the investigation came up with nothing, there would still be people calling for Alomars head on a pike over accusations. Manfred was gonna get rid of him before any investigation happened because he wouldnt want the backlash that follows.
What people? what you are saying is 100% anecdotal and makes for very weak rationale. This is a billion dollar corporation, you really think they are gonna just randomly decide to ban a HOF over an incident that happened in 2014 and hasnt even been made fully public before today? If you really think this then theres literally no point in talking with you. The fact that the woman hasnt even gone public with any allegations should tell you a lot as well.
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@woozypolarbear_mlbts said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@sheyworth_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Imagine needing a safe space because a card was in your inventory. You don't have to use it though and it can be buried by getting better cards...
Seriously no one even knows what he allegedly did so who the hell are we to judge?
I didn’t say safe space? We have pride flags available in custom stadiums, Jackie Robinson on the cover and a huge banner in MLB 20 for a month commemorating BLM. I’m asking all movements to be equally supported.
I wish all "movements" were left as being neutral when it comes to corporations, and let individual people support the movements that they hold dear to themselves and their friends. This is a baseball video game, I don't need their stance on the latest social justice activism movement of the week. Heck, I come to video games to get away from that background noise.
i agree but when theres money involved you have to expect businesses to try keep their image as clean as possible.
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@jonahfalcon_mlbts said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Ty Cobb did much worse. Pretending Roberto Alomar, Jr didn't exist... what are you going to do for the 1992 Blue Jays? Have a random guy in his spot? Pretend he never existed?
Heck, might as well just re-award the World Series Trophy to the Braves....oh but the term Braves probably offends a huge lot of people. Nah...best thing to do is to all just declare everyone in the world is mean and evil and nobody in the history of people is worthy of anything.
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Don’t remove him
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If the third-party investigation caused the MLB to cut all ties, The Show will probably follow suit soon. Selfishly, I hope they replace the card, since he’s my starting 2nd baseman.
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@matt_42187_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Keep the card in game until the courts find him guilty. MLB is probably trying to be proactive and cutting ties with him regardless what a court would find. I remember when Kobe Bryant was accused of rape...glad NBA didn't jump the gun and axe him from the league before trial.
The notion that people shouldn’t be held responsible for wrong doings unless convicted is not the best take.
Every situation is unique. Ray Rice knocked out his girlfriend on camera, no conviction. Joe Mixon threw one of the most vicious punches on a girl, no conviction. Kareem Hunt kicked a woman...it was stupid but didn’t appear too violent....no conviction.
Kobe wasn’t convicted but didn’t be settle it out of court?
Even some people get convicted (Vick) and still are welcomed back. He ran a dog torture operation and was part of the torture and admitted it. He returned to NFL and is a host.
My point is: it’s not a one size fits all situation. Kobe and Vick were so popular their demons were forgiven. Tiger Woods gets a pass for all of his sins. People don’t even talk about Deshaun Watson much on the main stream.
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@the_dragon1912 said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@jonahfalcon_mlbts said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Ty Cobb did much worse. Pretending Roberto Alomar, Jr didn't exist... what are you going to do for the 1992 Blue Jays? Have a random guy in his spot? Pretend he never existed?
https://thegruelingtruth.com/baseball/ty-cobb-truth-about-the-greatest/
The hit job on Cobb was crazy.
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@mr7brown_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@sheyworth_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Imagine needing a safe space because a card was in your inventory. You don't have to use it though and it can be buried by getting better cards...
Seriously no one even knows what he allegedly did so who the hell are we to judge?
I didn’t say safe space? We have pride flags available in custom stadiums, Jackie Robinson on the cover and a huge banner in MLB 20 for a month commemorating BLM. I’m asking all movements to be equally supported.
What movement is this supporting? The "lets jump to conclusions and judge someone with absolutely no facts about the situation" movement? Sexual misconduct can mean anything from telling a woman she looks nice today to unwanted penetration. Pretty sure its not the latter because he would be getting arrested right now. He's not being removed from the MLB HOF as per their statement so i think its safe to say that it was nothing violent. Again, who are we to judge? If you dont wanna use the card, dont. There are better 2B in here so buy them up and bury him. You literally dont have to see this card at all unless you intend to go to your inventory every morning to stare at it over a cup of coffee.
Matt Gaetz has entered the conversation.
As well as the paragon of virtue governor Cuomo ....do carry on
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@washednd_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@matt_42187_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Keep the card in game until the courts find him guilty. MLB is probably trying to be proactive and cutting ties with him regardless what a court would find. I remember when Kobe Bryant was accused of rape...glad NBA didn't jump the gun and axe him from the league before trial.
The notion that people shouldn’t be held responsible for wrong doings unless convicted is not the best take.
Every situation is unique. Ray Rice knocked out his girlfriend on camera, no conviction. Joe Mixon threw one of the most vicious punches on a girl, no conviction. Kareem Hunt kicked a woman...it was stupid but didn’t appear too violent....no conviction.
Kobe wasn’t convicted but didn’t be settle it out of court?
Even some people get convicted (Vick) and still are welcomed back. He ran a dog torture operation and was part of the torture and admitted it. He returned to NFL and is a host.
My point is: it’s not a one size fits all situation. Kobe and Vick were so popular their demons were forgiven. Tiger Woods gets a pass for all of his sins. People don’t even talk about Deshaun Watson much on the main stream.
And actual brave women can come forward, be publicly identified as accusers of a sitting governor and none of the hyper offended over consumers of soy show up to demand his resignation. All of this garbage is about ideology.
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@zooropa_returns said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@mr7brown_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@sheyworth_xbl said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@easy_duhz_it_ said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Imagine needing a safe space because a card was in your inventory. You don't have to use it though and it can be buried by getting better cards...
Seriously no one even knows what he allegedly did so who the hell are we to judge?
I didn’t say safe space? We have pride flags available in custom stadiums, Jackie Robinson on the cover and a huge banner in MLB 20 for a month commemorating BLM. I’m asking all movements to be equally supported.
What movement is this supporting? The "lets jump to conclusions and judge someone with absolutely no facts about the situation" movement? Sexual misconduct can mean anything from telling a woman she looks nice today to unwanted penetration. Pretty sure its not the latter because he would be getting arrested right now. He's not being removed from the MLB HOF as per their statement so i think its safe to say that it was nothing violent. Again, who are we to judge? If you dont wanna use the card, dont. There are better 2B in here so buy them up and bury him. You literally dont have to see this card at all unless you intend to go to your inventory every morning to stare at it over a cup of coffee.
Matt Gaetz has entered the conversation.
As well as the paragon of virtue governor Cuomo ....do carry on
Oh the typical what about so and so argument. Clever.
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I'm typical but the comment I responded to gets nothing? Typical inconsistency exposed again.
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@washednd_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
@matt_42187_psn said in SDS: Can we retire the Roberto Alomar card please?:
Keep the card in game until the courts find him guilty. MLB is probably trying to be proactive and cutting ties with him regardless what a court would find. I remember when Kobe Bryant was accused of rape...glad NBA didn't jump the gun and axe him from the league before trial.
The notion that people shouldn’t be held responsible for wrong doings unless convicted is not the best take.
Every situation is unique. Ray Rice knocked out his girlfriend on camera, no conviction. Joe Mixon threw one of the most vicious punches on a girl, no conviction. Kareem Hunt kicked a woman...it was stupid but didn’t appear too violent....no conviction.
Kobe wasn’t convicted but didn’t be settle it out of court?
Even some people get convicted (Vick) and still are welcomed back. He ran a dog torture operation and was part of the torture and admitted it. He returned to NFL and is a host.
My point is: it’s not a one size fits all situation. Kobe and Vick were so popular their demons were forgiven. Tiger Woods gets a pass for all of his sins. People don’t even talk about Deshaun Watson much on the main stream.
Rice - never played another down after the video.
Mixon - happened in college and was convicted I do believe. But to his defense, the girl assaulted him first, spit in his face, and was called racial slurs. I'm sure alcohol didn't help the situation.
Hunt - girl never pressed charges & was suspended 8 games.Kobe cheated on his wife. The accuser was a basket case who was schizo. She also had [censored] with a bunch of dudes after the encounter. She didnt want to testify under oath. She was just looking for a pay day.
Vick never killed/hurt people. Unfortunately, animals are considered property, not people. So, in the court of law, it doesn't look as bad. But he did serve time in person and lost everything.
Woods never hurt anybody, just had [censored] with anything that walked.
My point is: If you're still playing and decent at it, you're going to find a job again at some point. If you're retired, it's easier to just cut ties and move on.
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Just switch him out for a Lou Whittaker or a higher end joe Morgan and I’ll be ok
