Why directional is trash for online...
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@halfbutt_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
It’s hard to take these posts seriously. Opponents are puppies? Directional hitting is OP? Frustrated because opponents hit your “waste pitches”?
I guess even puppies can pick up your pitching sequences.
I agree! This is what i figured happened as well. I don't think i have faced a good pitcher in last 6 years. 8 out of 10 are out of zone, if you don't want to pitch in zone with right pitch to force groundball or pop fly then i say oh well take your lumps an move on.
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@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@dolenz_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@dolenz_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
It's a skilless joke and is the epitome of what ruins this game for grown folks, those who actually played ball and/or the true fans.
I have not seen that much arrogance and self importance in one sentence in quite a long time. Congrats.
It's a video game. It is meant to be fun for all players. Get over it.
? Strange comment.
Fyi I was throwin'
( not throw-ing )
2 finger side armed curve balls and full float true knuckle balls before most of you kids own dad was born probably.There is No arrogance in that statement in the slightest. I am quite a humble man.
It is a fact and thus why someone (* other than me) started this thread.The 2 hitting options of discussion are no way a comparison in any shape or form thus they need to be in two seperated categories or at least with a toggle option to isolate the different skill sets so the game is more enjoyable for the players who desire such.
Go outside and get daddy to throw you an under handed pitch and just swing a choked up real bat without aiming at the ball !
Who is hitting with the bat when any contact is made.
??.
Ha..the pitcher is the one hitting a bat, not the batters bat hitting a pitch !
Bass- ackwards and has no resemblance to any ball I was ever a part of.First, I think you need to reacquaint yourself with the definition of humble.
Secondly, you have not made a comment yet about directional hitting that has not been belittling or demeaning to those who use it. You are building yourself up by tearing others down. Decidedly not humble.
By the way, there are folks over at the Operation Sports forums who will insinuate you are a child and not a true fan because you play DD and not Franchise.
It is all a matter of perspective and of course and neither you or they are right.
No belittling.
Just FACTS.
Only thing is that the 2 forms of play need to be seperated by user choice just as guess pitch is.A chess board has no marbles.
"A chess board has no marbles" is a false equivalent. If people were trying to pitch footballs or hit a pitch with a hockey stick, your wonderful quote would fit. What this comes down to is people getting angry because they are losing/have lost when they feel they should win because of how their opponent plays.
- Some teams use small ball to win (Baseball)
- Some teams want to hit gappers and HRs (Baseball)
- Some teams run the wing-t (Football)
- Some teams go empty and throw (Football)
- Live and die by the three (basketball)
- Get inside for the easy score/foul (basketball)
- Using directional hitting (The Show)
- Using Zone Hitting (The Show)
I do not hear anyone complaining that throwing the ball 40 times "isn't football" or that shooting 3s isn't basketball. So I find it pretty rich to have a gamer come on a baseball video game forum and tell people how they should play and how one way of playing shouldn't be allowed in competition. When fact is that their preferred way of hitting (zone hitting) doesn't accurately simulate hitting a baseball either.
So quit your complaining. When the servers are back-up, login, and do what you do: Stair down Rizzo's crotch from your Strike Zone Camera and act like you're amazing because you're moving a curser around a square.
FYI - Before you start laying claim that I use directional, I am a zone hitter. I find the arrogance of PCI users hilarious. Get over yourselves.
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@joshjays44_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
All this argument when the one true way to hit for men and the one that makes the most sense swinging a baseball bat is Analog Stride.
Analog stride + zone....
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@yankblan_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@tmoneymill_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@stiebfan37_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
Zone hitting is the most unrealistic style of hitting in the game...yes it takes skill, I don't disagree, but zone hitters can reach balls that no directional hitter can reach, and no human being in real life could reach for tha matter...the down and in off the shoe laces hit...the 2 feet outside hit...the up and in almost hitting you in the head hit, a lot of those for homeruns....ya zone is realistic my [censored]...skill yes, realistic hell no.
The pci has a barrier...it can only go so far in a circle. You clearly have no clue what youre talking about.. if youre having balls hit way off plate or in dirt...thats directional.
So blindly swinging and just timing is realistic? No matter of whwre ball is??? Makes sense....
Other way dude, with PCI you can reach any pitch, the barrier is way to wide and has been a complaint for years; people can foul off pitches or hit HRs on pitches they shouldn’t be able to reach.
Obviously you dont use zone. The pci can only go half way on all edges of zone. The inner pci.
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@thegoaler_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
I was desperately trying to get off of Directional, but STILL have drop the PCI issues on Zone. Now that I see ppl made WS with directional, I'm going back! 🤪
No shame in my game.Go to practice and have it throw high to you only....then concentrate on holding that up. Also something that doesnt happen to directional users.
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@t00muchham_xbl said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@dolenz_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@dolenz_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
It's a skilless joke and is the epitome of what ruins this game for grown folks, those who actually played ball and/or the true fans.
I have not seen that much arrogance and self importance in one sentence in quite a long time. Congrats.
It's a video game. It is meant to be fun for all players. Get over it.
? Strange comment.
Fyi I was throwin'
( not throw-ing )
2 finger side armed curve balls and full float true knuckle balls before most of you kids own dad was born probably.There is No arrogance in that statement in the slightest. I am quite a humble man.
It is a fact and thus why someone (* other than me) started this thread.The 2 hitting options of discussion are no way a comparison in any shape or form thus they need to be in two seperated categories or at least with a toggle option to isolate the different skill sets so the game is more enjoyable for the players who desire such.
Go outside and get daddy to throw you an under handed pitch and just swing a choked up real bat without aiming at the ball !
Who is hitting with the bat when any contact is made.
??.
Ha..the pitcher is the one hitting a bat, not the batters bat hitting a pitch !
Bass- ackwards and has no resemblance to any ball I was ever a part of.First, I think you need to reacquaint yourself with the definition of humble.
Secondly, you have not made a comment yet about directional hitting that has not been belittling or demeaning to those who use it. You are building yourself up by tearing others down. Decidedly not humble.
By the way, there are folks over at the Operation Sports forums who will insinuate you are a child and not a true fan because you play DD and not Franchise.
It is all a matter of perspective and of course and neither you or they are right.
No belittling.
Just FACTS.
Only thing is that the 2 forms of play need to be seperated by user choice just as guess pitch is.A chess board has no marbles.
"A chess board has no marbles" is a false equivalent. If people were trying to pitch footballs or hit a pitch with a hockey stick, your wonderful quote would fit. What this comes down to is people getting angry because they are losing/have lost when they feel they should win because of how their opponent plays.
- Some teams use small ball to win (Baseball)
- Some teams want to hit gappers and HRs (Baseball)
- Some teams run the wing-t (Football)
- Some teams go empty and throw (Football)
- Live and die by the three (basketball)
- Get inside for the easy score/foul (basketball)
- Using directional hitting (The Show)
- Using Zone Hitting (The Show)
I do not hear anyone complaining that throwing the ball 40 times "isn't football" or that shooting 3s isn't basketball. So I find it pretty rich to have a gamer come on a baseball video game forum and tell people how they should play and how one way of playing shouldn't be allowed in competition. When fact is that their preferred way of hitting (zone hitting) doesn't accurately simulate hitting a baseball either.
So quit your complaining. When the servers are back-up, login, and do what you do: Stair down Rizzo's crotch from your Strike Zone Camera and act like you're amazing because you're moving a curser around a square.
FYI - Before you start laying claim that I use directional, I am a zone hitter. I find the arrogance of PCI users hilarious. Get over yourselves.
Your comparisons are ridiculous haha
Directional is cpu controlled aiming..
In madden itd be like lettung the cpu throw for you....run for you etc. All you do is snap.
Itd be like an online shooter and using aimbot and auto aim.
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@tmoneymill_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@t00muchham_xbl said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@dolenz_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@dolenz_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
It's a skilless joke and is the epitome of what ruins this game for grown folks, those who actually played ball and/or the true fans.
I have not seen that much arrogance and self importance in one sentence in quite a long time. Congrats.
It's a video game. It is meant to be fun for all players. Get over it.
? Strange comment.
Fyi I was throwin'
( not throw-ing )
2 finger side armed curve balls and full float true knuckle balls before most of you kids own dad was born probably.There is No arrogance in that statement in the slightest. I am quite a humble man.
It is a fact and thus why someone (* other than me) started this thread.The 2 hitting options of discussion are no way a comparison in any shape or form thus they need to be in two seperated categories or at least with a toggle option to isolate the different skill sets so the game is more enjoyable for the players who desire such.
Go outside and get daddy to throw you an under handed pitch and just swing a choked up real bat without aiming at the ball !
Who is hitting with the bat when any contact is made.
??.
Ha..the pitcher is the one hitting a bat, not the batters bat hitting a pitch !
Bass- ackwards and has no resemblance to any ball I was ever a part of.First, I think you need to reacquaint yourself with the definition of humble.
Secondly, you have not made a comment yet about directional hitting that has not been belittling or demeaning to those who use it. You are building yourself up by tearing others down. Decidedly not humble.
By the way, there are folks over at the Operation Sports forums who will insinuate you are a child and not a true fan because you play DD and not Franchise.
It is all a matter of perspective and of course and neither you or they are right.
No belittling.
Just FACTS.
Only thing is that the 2 forms of play need to be seperated by user choice just as guess pitch is.A chess board has no marbles.
"A chess board has no marbles" is a false equivalent. If people were trying to pitch footballs or hit a pitch with a hockey stick, your wonderful quote would fit. What this comes down to is people getting angry because they are losing/have lost when they feel they should win because of how their opponent plays.
- Some teams use small ball to win (Baseball)
- Some teams want to hit gappers and HRs (Baseball)
- Some teams run the wing-t (Football)
- Some teams go empty and throw (Football)
- Live and die by the three (basketball)
- Get inside for the easy score/foul (basketball)
- Using directional hitting (The Show)
- Using Zone Hitting (The Show)
I do not hear anyone complaining that throwing the ball 40 times "isn't football" or that shooting 3s isn't basketball. So I find it pretty rich to have a gamer come on a baseball video game forum and tell people how they should play and how one way of playing shouldn't be allowed in competition. When fact is that their preferred way of hitting (zone hitting) doesn't accurately simulate hitting a baseball either.
So quit your complaining. When the servers are back-up, login, and do what you do: Stair down Rizzo's crotch from your Strike Zone Camera and act like you're amazing because you're moving a curser around a square.
FYI - Before you start laying claim that I use directional, I am a zone hitter. I find the arrogance of PCI users hilarious. Get over yourselves.
Your comparisons are ridiculous haha
Directional is cpu controlled aiming..
In madden itd be like lettung the cpu throw foe you....run for you etc. All you do is snap.
Its be like an online shooter and using aimbot and auto aim.
So you say his comparisons are rediculous? And yet you say Directional is CPU controlled aiming? Do you honestly believe SDS would allow CPU controlled swinging in competitive? They have said many time it's based off user input. Alot of people use directional b/c it is closer to realistic so they claim. I'm beginning to think it is just a rant about losing to someone "you" thought was inferior.
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The same people that want to remove directional hitting are the same ones that use strike zone cameras. That’s what really needs to be removed. Having a camera view where you basically see nothing but the strike zone is lame. Yes, I know all the “top players” use it. It takes away from pitching deception because if you can’t see it then it must be a ball. These posts happen every year and I’ll tell you what, you want to get rid of directional hitting? Ok, I’ll compromise, no strike zone or zoom cameras allowed then.
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@sean_87__psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
The same people that want to remove directional hitting are the same ones that use strike zone cameras. That’s what really needs to be removed. Having a camera view where you basically see nothing but the strike zone is lame. Yes, I know all the “top players” use it. It takes away from pitching deception because if you can’t see it then it must be a ball. These posts happen every year and I’ll tell you what, you want to get rid of directional hitting? Ok, I’ll compromise, no strike zone or zoom cameras allowed then.
I use zone but i use fish eye. But i gree with this strike zone camera is trash. Just like how everybody jumped on the analog is more precise than meter pitching kick, then this year they showed how meter was harder and less forgiving than analog.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@sean_87__psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
The same people that want to remove directional hitting are the same ones that use strike zone cameras. That’s what really needs to be removed. Having a camera view where you basically see nothing but the strike zone is lame. Yes, I know all the “top players” use it. It takes away from pitching deception because if you can’t see it then it must be a ball. These posts happen every year and I’ll tell you what, you want to get rid of directional hitting? Ok, I’ll compromise, no strike zone or zoom cameras allowed then.
I use zone but i use fish eye. But i gree with this strike zone camera is trash. Just like how everybody jumped on the analog is more precise than meter pitching kick, then this year they showed how meter was harder and less forgiving than analog.
I use fish eye number 2. Have you tried that one, it looks a little better to me.
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@sean_87__psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@sean_87__psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
The same people that want to remove directional hitting are the same ones that use strike zone cameras. That’s what really needs to be removed. Having a camera view where you basically see nothing but the strike zone is lame. Yes, I know all the “top players” use it. It takes away from pitching deception because if you can’t see it then it must be a ball. These posts happen every year and I’ll tell you what, you want to get rid of directional hitting? Ok, I’ll compromise, no strike zone or zoom cameras allowed then.
I use zone but i use fish eye. But i gree with this strike zone camera is trash. Just like how everybody jumped on the analog is more precise than meter pitching kick, then this year they showed how meter was harder and less forgiving than analog.
I use fish eye number 2. Have you tried that one, it looks a little better to me.
I switch between both and catcher depending on time of day
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@zooropa_returns said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@tmoneymill_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
Because they reward xp for hits and hrs etc...when it takes 0 skill to hit with this bullsh*t online and rewards garbage user play. Which then gives them more xp to be more garbage online. Hits where pci doesnt even reach..hrs off balls in dirt...its a freaking joke. Turn off that for online for 1000th time and for 4yrs running. Its a joke. This isnt rbi baseball.
Switching to directional online later today. Thanks for the tip
lol, great post. Me too.
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@tmoneymill_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@t00muchham_xbl said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@dolenz_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@dolenz_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@alabam22_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
It's a skilless joke and is the epitome of what ruins this game for grown folks, those who actually played ball and/or the true fans.
I have not seen that much arrogance and self importance in one sentence in quite a long time. Congrats.
It's a video game. It is meant to be fun for all players. Get over it.
? Strange comment.
Fyi I was throwin'
( not throw-ing )
2 finger side armed curve balls and full float true knuckle balls before most of you kids own dad was born probably.There is No arrogance in that statement in the slightest. I am quite a humble man.
It is a fact and thus why someone (* other than me) started this thread.The 2 hitting options of discussion are no way a comparison in any shape or form thus they need to be in two seperated categories or at least with a toggle option to isolate the different skill sets so the game is more enjoyable for the players who desire such.
Go outside and get daddy to throw you an under handed pitch and just swing a choked up real bat without aiming at the ball !
Who is hitting with the bat when any contact is made.
??.
Ha..the pitcher is the one hitting a bat, not the batters bat hitting a pitch !
Bass- ackwards and has no resemblance to any ball I was ever a part of.First, I think you need to reacquaint yourself with the definition of humble.
Secondly, you have not made a comment yet about directional hitting that has not been belittling or demeaning to those who use it. You are building yourself up by tearing others down. Decidedly not humble.
By the way, there are folks over at the Operation Sports forums who will insinuate you are a child and not a true fan because you play DD and not Franchise.
It is all a matter of perspective and of course and neither you or they are right.
No belittling.
Just FACTS.
Only thing is that the 2 forms of play need to be seperated by user choice just as guess pitch is.A chess board has no marbles.
"A chess board has no marbles" is a false equivalent. If people were trying to pitch footballs or hit a pitch with a hockey stick, your wonderful quote would fit. What this comes down to is people getting angry because they are losing/have lost when they feel they should win because of how their opponent plays.
- Some teams use small ball to win (Baseball)
- Some teams want to hit gappers and HRs (Baseball)
- Some teams run the wing-t (Football)
- Some teams go empty and throw (Football)
- Live and die by the three (basketball)
- Get inside for the easy score/foul (basketball)
- Using directional hitting (The Show)
- Using Zone Hitting (The Show)
I do not hear anyone complaining that throwing the ball 40 times "isn't football" or that shooting 3s isn't basketball. So I find it pretty rich to have a gamer come on a baseball video game forum and tell people how they should play and how one way of playing shouldn't be allowed in competition. When fact is that their preferred way of hitting (zone hitting) doesn't accurately simulate hitting a baseball either.
So quit your complaining. When the servers are back-up, login, and do what you do: Stair down Rizzo's crotch from your Strike Zone Camera and act like you're amazing because you're moving a curser around a square.
FYI - Before you start laying claim that I use directional, I am a zone hitter. I find the arrogance of PCI users hilarious. Get over yourselves.
Your comparisons are ridiculous haha
Directional is cpu controlled aiming..
In madden itd be like lettung the cpu throw foe you....run for you etc. All you do is snap.
Its be like an online shooter and using aimbot and auto aim.
So you say his comparisons are rediculous? And yet you say Directional is CPU controlled aiming? Do you honestly believe SDS would allow CPU controlled swinging in competitive? They have said many time it's based off user input. Alot of people use directional b/c it is closer to realistic so they claim. I'm beginning to think it is just a rant about losing to someone "you" thought was inferior.
- Its ridiculous...2. The show devs on operationsports forum stated that directional is cpu aim based of rating....only user input is timing. So maybe you should check into things before commenting as youre clueless.
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Wait, so .. sorry I'm brand new to the game, but for like DD if you're playing against another player, you don't have set styles of hitting or pitching that you have to play with? Not even in ranked? So basically you can pick whatever style you want and play against someone playing whatever style they want? Like, I usually play with the slider bar (hit x twice) pitching because the move the right stick in patterns version is impossible for my brain to use for whatever reason. And I do the right stick hitting just cause it makes sense to me, but I could play against someone doing an easier or harder method and get crushed?
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@sean_87__psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
The same people that want to remove directional hitting are the same ones that use strike zone cameras. That’s what really needs to be removed. Having a camera view where you basically see nothing but the strike zone is lame. Yes, I know all the “top players” use it. It takes away from pitching deception because if you can’t see it then it must be a ball. These posts happen every year and I’ll tell you what, you want to get rid of directional hitting? Ok, I’ll compromise, no strike zone or zoom cameras allowed then.
Strike zone has been the norm since world series baseball and games of the past...you new to baseball games?? You want rbi view? Behind pitcher?? You cant use 3rd person cuz doesnt exist.
You too are clueless.
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"Directional or Zone is personal preference. As far as the main hitting engine goes, both interfaces are identical (Directional simulates your PCI placement for you and passes it to the engine). In Zone hitting you pick the timing and PCI location. In Directional you pick the timing and influence PCI location (or if you don't influence, it picks for you). For this reason it is better not to influence than to influence randomly and get it half right and half wrong (in that situation you are better off paying attention to location and taking pitches).
I would compare it to manual vs automatic shifting for driving. If you are below average in stick shifting, you are better off using automatic where it handles it for you. Your disadvantage is 'forgiven' though you gain nothing extra for it. If you are above average in stick shifting, you are better off using stick to 'earn' that advantage. This is why professional drivers have to use stick to compete at the highest levels because even a small edge adds up, but you can drive perfectly well either way. In fact automatic accelerates faster than manual and doesn't lose energy to shifts, losing out only because manual is smarter and more efficient in other ways.
For this reason, some players succeed more with Directional, others succeed more with Zone. As you approach Legend difficulty, it becomes more important to use Zone because you have 2 ways to outperform rather than 1 1/2. There is no inherent disadvantage to Directional but you miss out on 1/2 a way to shine. So Zone is not significantly more successful in general. For beginners, Directional is often more successful. To be precise, it depends on if you are above or below average in skill at PCI placement (compared to your 2 other skills - timing and take pitch)."
https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/mlb-show/966054-directional-hitting-mlb-show-20-a-2.html
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@tmoneymill_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@sean_87__psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
The same people that want to remove directional hitting are the same ones that use strike zone cameras. That’s what really needs to be removed. Having a camera view where you basically see nothing but the strike zone is lame. Yes, I know all the “top players” use it. It takes away from pitching deception because if you can’t see it then it must be a ball. These posts happen every year and I’ll tell you what, you want to get rid of directional hitting? Ok, I’ll compromise, no strike zone or zoom cameras allowed then.
Strike zone has been the norm since world series baseball and games of the past...you new to baseball games?? You want rbi view? Behind pitcher?? You cant use 3rd person cuz doesnt exist.
You too are clueless.
Lol, no I’m not new. Plenty of cameras before strike zone that didn’t completely eliminate seeing the batter my guy. The baseball games I grew up playing had default cameras where you could see the batter, not just the strike zone and the batters junk.
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@tehmonkey81_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
Wait, so .. sorry I'm brand new to the game, but for like DD if you're playing against another player, you don't have set styles of hitting or pitching that you have to play with? Not even in ranked? So basically you can pick whatever style you want and play against someone playing whatever style they want? Like, I usually play with the slider bar (hit x twice) pitching because the move the right stick in patterns version is impossible for my brain to use for whatever reason. And I do the right stick hitting just cause it makes sense to me, but I could play against someone doing an easier or harder method and get crushed?
Yes, you can use whatever method of hitting and pitching that you prefer only thing the same is hitting and pitching difficulty
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@tmoneymill_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
Ya 0-2 waste pitches that get hit for hrs cuz they timed it perfectly even tho its 2 ft out of zone...or throwing fbs up and in all game and cant hit it then 0-2 throw one on outside down and away and they hit it?? Yup ok...its a joke. This game rewards ppl who dont even aim to hit.
Do you play COD with autoaim on???
Anyone who plays on console uses aim assist. I don’t get on the forums and complain because I play on PC. I take my lumps and try to get em next time.
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@tmoneymill_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@yankblan_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@tmoneymill_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
@stiebfan37_psn said in Why directional is trash for online...:
Zone hitting is the most unrealistic style of hitting in the game...yes it takes skill, I don't disagree, but zone hitters can reach balls that no directional hitter can reach, and no human being in real life could reach for tha matter...the down and in off the shoe laces hit...the 2 feet outside hit...the up and in almost hitting you in the head hit, a lot of those for homeruns....ya zone is realistic my [censored]...skill yes, realistic hell no.
The pci has a barrier...it can only go so far in a circle. You clearly have no clue what youre talking about.. if youre having balls hit way off plate or in dirt...thats directional.
So blindly swinging and just timing is realistic? No matter of whwre ball is??? Makes sense....
Other way dude, with PCI you can reach any pitch, the barrier is way to wide and has been a complaint for years; people can foul off pitches or hit HRs on pitches they shouldn’t be able to reach.
Obviously you dont use zone. The pci can only go half way on all edges of zone. The inner pci.
I do; you can still foul/hit with the outer PCI. Can’t stand directional, but I don’t mind people using it
