So, pitching huh.
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@tyrusthebull_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@bjd10048842 said in So, pitching huh.:
@drunk_wizard509 said in So, pitching huh.:
Take out all rng please. This stream was gross. They showed nothing about hitting, and basically showed how crazy rng is on pitching is even when you get a perfect release.
Legit, they're basically showing how much wiggle room they have to manipulate the pitch. Covering their butts for later when ppl complain they can reference this BS gray area. @colinsds
They're justifying the product they put out in 20. The whole stream was based on there "data" they came up with to just justify the trash they put out last year
I can’t believe I am actually agreeing with Tyrus. They didn’t “fix” pitching at all. They simply justified gravity balls.
I also find it very telling that suddenly analog pitching is the LEAST accurate method.
I know those of you who pitch with meter will be happy about this but I urge you to actually consider WHY the method that was previously universally accepted as the MOST accurate, is now the least.
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As we all know, pitchers with pinpoint control never, ever, ever miss a pitch.
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@halfbutt_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@tyrusthebull_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@bjd10048842 said in So, pitching huh.:
@drunk_wizard509 said in So, pitching huh.:
Take out all rng please. This stream was gross. They showed nothing about hitting, and basically showed how crazy rng is on pitching is even when you get a perfect release.
Legit, they're basically showing how much wiggle room they have to manipulate the pitch. Covering their butts for later when ppl complain they can reference this BS gray area. @colinsds
They're justifying the product they put out in 20. The whole stream was based on there "data" they came up with to just justify the trash they put out last year
I can’t believe I am actually agreeing with Tyrus. They didn’t “fix” pitching at all. They simply justified gravity balls.
I also find it very telling that suddenly analog pitching is the LEAST accurate method.
I know those of you who pitch with meter will be happy about this but I urge you to actually consider WHY the method that was previously universally accepted as the MOST accurate, is now the least.
So let me get this right you are saying that analog is the most universally used style b/c of accuracy? But you make a statement regarding the changes are to justify gravity balls? Isn't that a contradiction?
I have always thought meter was way more acurate and less forgiving than analog up until pinpoint pitching, meter was actually the most accurate not near as many meatballs i hear about from analog users. Imo
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@savefarris_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
As we all know, pitchers with pinpoint control never, ever, ever miss a pitch.
Not talking about misses, we are talking about having perfect input and the ball randomly going anywhere within about a third of the strike zone (going by the graphic they showed in stream).
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I am saying analog used to be considered to offer the most control over pitch outcomes. Obviously the input has to be there. Just do a search on here or anywhere for that matter.
Nobody was saying, “use meter pitching if you want to git gud”.
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@halfbutt_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@tyrusthebull_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@bjd10048842 said in So, pitching huh.:
@drunk_wizard509 said in So, pitching huh.:
Take out all rng please. This stream was gross. They showed nothing about hitting, and basically showed how crazy rng is on pitching is even when you get a perfect release.
Legit, they're basically showing how much wiggle room they have to manipulate the pitch. Covering their butts for later when ppl complain they can reference this BS gray area. @colinsds
They're justifying the product they put out in 20. The whole stream was based on there "data" they came up with to just justify the trash they put out last year
I can’t believe I am actually agreeing with Tyrus. They didn’t “fix” pitching at all. They simply justified gravity balls.
I also find it very telling that suddenly analog pitching is the LEAST accurate method.
I know those of you who pitch with meter will be happy about this but I urge you to actually consider WHY the method that was previously universally accepted as the MOST accurate, is now the least.
Its not the least, it’s third best, the best version is now the upgraded version of analog (the previous best) and meter remains second best. They also spoke on why meter is second most accurate because it has the highest risk/reward rate when over and under throwing.
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@thegoaler_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
I've been using pulse for years, and it's been by far the most consistent for a long time. I'm glad they are taking the pulse pitching approach and applying it to the other pitching input methods.
Pulse is the one input method they've figured out how to code consistently, so this is good news for all other input types. FINALLY
Is this true? I never gave Pulse pitching a sniff. I still use Meter, although inconsistent like crazy. Never liked Analog, although the best players use it.
Is this true? Why would I lie? LOL.
Yes, there is a circle that Pulses (hence the name). The smaller the circle, the better the accuracy. No matter what, the ball will end up inside that circle (big or small).
The better the confidence of the pitcher, and the higher the bb/9 and control, the smaller the circle is to start, and the slower it pulses.
In 21, they are simply applying pulse pitching to all input types because....pulse has always been the best (Despite trolls arguing with me for two years here).
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@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@thegoaler_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
I've been using pulse for years, and it's been by far the most consistent for a long time. I'm glad they are taking the pulse pitching approach and applying it to the other pitching input methods.
Pulse is the one input method they've figured out how to code consistently, so this is good news for all other input types. FINALLY
Is this true? I never gave Pulse pitching a sniff. I still use Meter, although inconsistent like crazy. Never liked Analog, although the best players use it.
Is this true? Why would I lie? LOL.
Yes, there is a circle that Pulses (hence the name). The smaller the circle, the better the accuracy. No matter what, the ball will end up inside that circle (big or small).
The better the confidence of the pitcher, and the higher the bb/9 and control, the smaller the circle is to start, and the slower it pulses.
In 21, they are simply applying pulse pitching to all input types because....pulse has always been the best (Despite trolls arguing with me for two years here).
As I said in another thread, pulse was best before 20. Now the area included the outside of the circle meeting the outside of the ball. They probably nerfed it because it was too easy, even though it seemed like a pretty well kept secret.
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@yankblan_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@thegoaler_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
I've been using pulse for years, and it's been by far the most consistent for a long time. I'm glad they are taking the pulse pitching approach and applying it to the other pitching input methods.
Pulse is the one input method they've figured out how to code consistently, so this is good news for all other input types. FINALLY
Is this true? I never gave Pulse pitching a sniff. I still use Meter, although inconsistent like crazy. Never liked Analog, although the best players use it.
Is this true? Why would I lie? LOL.
Yes, there is a circle that Pulses (hence the name). The smaller the circle, the better the accuracy. No matter what, the ball will end up inside that circle (big or small).
The better the confidence of the pitcher, and the higher the bb/9 and control, the smaller the circle is to start, and the slower it pulses.
In 21, they are simply applying pulse pitching to all input types because....pulse has always been the best (Despite trolls arguing with me for two years here).
As I said in another thread, pulse was best before 20. Now the area included the outside of the circle meeting the outside of the ball. They probably nerfed it because it was too easy, even though it seemed like a pretty well kept secret.
I don't have any issues with it this year either. I"m glad their moving all pitching to the pulse platform, everyone will finally stop complaining (Even though it's their own fault for refusing to use it).
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@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@yankblan_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@thegoaler_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
I've been using pulse for years, and it's been by far the most consistent for a long time. I'm glad they are taking the pulse pitching approach and applying it to the other pitching input methods.
Pulse is the one input method they've figured out how to code consistently, so this is good news for all other input types. FINALLY
Is this true? I never gave Pulse pitching a sniff. I still use Meter, although inconsistent like crazy. Never liked Analog, although the best players use it.
Is this true? Why would I lie? LOL.
Yes, there is a circle that Pulses (hence the name). The smaller the circle, the better the accuracy. No matter what, the ball will end up inside that circle (big or small).
The better the confidence of the pitcher, and the higher the bb/9 and control, the smaller the circle is to start, and the slower it pulses.
In 21, they are simply applying pulse pitching to all input types because....pulse has always been the best (Despite trolls arguing with me for two years here).
As I said in another thread, pulse was best before 20. Now the area included the outside of the circle meeting the outside of the ball. They probably nerfed it because it was too easy, even though it seemed like a pretty well kept secret.
I don't have any issues with it this year either. I"m glad their moving all pitching to the pulse platform, everyone will finally stop complaining (Even though it's their own fault for refusing to use it).
You might be into something I’m sick of seeing “perfect release” low and away that ends up high middle. Pitching is by far the biggest issue with 20.
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@a_perfectgame said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@yankblan_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@thegoaler_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
I've been using pulse for years, and it's been by far the most consistent for a long time. I'm glad they are taking the pulse pitching approach and applying it to the other pitching input methods.
Pulse is the one input method they've figured out how to code consistently, so this is good news for all other input types. FINALLY
Is this true? I never gave Pulse pitching a sniff. I still use Meter, although inconsistent like crazy. Never liked Analog, although the best players use it.
Is this true? Why would I lie? LOL.
Yes, there is a circle that Pulses (hence the name). The smaller the circle, the better the accuracy. No matter what, the ball will end up inside that circle (big or small).
The better the confidence of the pitcher, and the higher the bb/9 and control, the smaller the circle is to start, and the slower it pulses.
In 21, they are simply applying pulse pitching to all input types because....pulse has always been the best (Despite trolls arguing with me for two years here).
As I said in another thread, pulse was best before 20. Now the area included the outside of the circle meeting the outside of the ball. They probably nerfed it because it was too easy, even though it seemed like a pretty well kept secret.
I don't have any issues with it this year either. I"m glad their moving all pitching to the pulse platform, everyone will finally stop complaining (Even though it's their own fault for refusing to use it).
You might be into something I’m sick of seeing “perfect release” low and away that ends up high middle. Pitching is by far the biggest issue with 20.
I usually hover around the 700's, I'm not a great hitter, but my ERA is sub 2 after 1500 RS games. Pulse is the way to go
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@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@a_perfectgame said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@yankblan_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@thegoaler_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
I've been using pulse for years, and it's been by far the most consistent for a long time. I'm glad they are taking the pulse pitching approach and applying it to the other pitching input methods.
Pulse is the one input method they've figured out how to code consistently, so this is good news for all other input types. FINALLY
Is this true? I never gave Pulse pitching a sniff. I still use Meter, although inconsistent like crazy. Never liked Analog, although the best players use it.
Is this true? Why would I lie? LOL.
Yes, there is a circle that Pulses (hence the name). The smaller the circle, the better the accuracy. No matter what, the ball will end up inside that circle (big or small).
The better the confidence of the pitcher, and the higher the bb/9 and control, the smaller the circle is to start, and the slower it pulses.
In 21, they are simply applying pulse pitching to all input types because....pulse has always been the best (Despite trolls arguing with me for two years here).
As I said in another thread, pulse was best before 20. Now the area included the outside of the circle meeting the outside of the ball. They probably nerfed it because it was too easy, even though it seemed like a pretty well kept secret.
I don't have any issues with it this year either. I"m glad their moving all pitching to the pulse platform, everyone will finally stop complaining (Even though it's their own fault for refusing to use it).
You might be into something I’m sick of seeing “perfect release” low and away that ends up high middle. Pitching is by far the biggest issue with 20.
I usually hover around the 700's, I'm not a great hitter, but my ERA is sub 2 after 1500 RS games. Pulse is the way to go
Meter seemed really good for 21 but if I play 20 again I might try pulse and see how it goes. Do you get mistakes in the middle ever that are called in a completely different location? It’s def something you would notice because it happens very often with meter at least.
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@a_perfectgame said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@a_perfectgame said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@yankblan_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@thegoaler_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
I've been using pulse for years, and it's been by far the most consistent for a long time. I'm glad they are taking the pulse pitching approach and applying it to the other pitching input methods.
Pulse is the one input method they've figured out how to code consistently, so this is good news for all other input types. FINALLY
Is this true? I never gave Pulse pitching a sniff. I still use Meter, although inconsistent like crazy. Never liked Analog, although the best players use it.
Is this true? Why would I lie? LOL.
Yes, there is a circle that Pulses (hence the name). The smaller the circle, the better the accuracy. No matter what, the ball will end up inside that circle (big or small).
The better the confidence of the pitcher, and the higher the bb/9 and control, the smaller the circle is to start, and the slower it pulses.
In 21, they are simply applying pulse pitching to all input types because....pulse has always been the best (Despite trolls arguing with me for two years here).
As I said in another thread, pulse was best before 20. Now the area included the outside of the circle meeting the outside of the ball. They probably nerfed it because it was too easy, even though it seemed like a pretty well kept secret.
I don't have any issues with it this year either. I"m glad their moving all pitching to the pulse platform, everyone will finally stop complaining (Even though it's their own fault for refusing to use it).
You might be into something I’m sick of seeing “perfect release” low and away that ends up high middle. Pitching is by far the biggest issue with 20.
I usually hover around the 700's, I'm not a great hitter, but my ERA is sub 2 after 1500 RS games. Pulse is the way to go
Meter seemed really good for 21 but if I play 20 again I might try pulse and see how it goes. Do you get mistakes in the middle ever that are called in a completely different location? It’s def something you would notice because it happens very often with meter at least.
This year pulse is not rewarding on anything offspeed, lots of hanging curves or sinkers or sliders that break towards the middle. You can spot your FBs with Kershaw and Maddux, but they don’t throw hard enough
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@yankblan_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@a_perfectgame said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@a_perfectgame said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@yankblan_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@thegoaler_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
I've been using pulse for years, and it's been by far the most consistent for a long time. I'm glad they are taking the pulse pitching approach and applying it to the other pitching input methods.
Pulse is the one input method they've figured out how to code consistently, so this is good news for all other input types. FINALLY
Is this true? I never gave Pulse pitching a sniff. I still use Meter, although inconsistent like crazy. Never liked Analog, although the best players use it.
Is this true? Why would I lie? LOL.
Yes, there is a circle that Pulses (hence the name). The smaller the circle, the better the accuracy. No matter what, the ball will end up inside that circle (big or small).
The better the confidence of the pitcher, and the higher the bb/9 and control, the smaller the circle is to start, and the slower it pulses.
In 21, they are simply applying pulse pitching to all input types because....pulse has always been the best (Despite trolls arguing with me for two years here).
As I said in another thread, pulse was best before 20. Now the area included the outside of the circle meeting the outside of the ball. They probably nerfed it because it was too easy, even though it seemed like a pretty well kept secret.
I don't have any issues with it this year either. I"m glad their moving all pitching to the pulse platform, everyone will finally stop complaining (Even though it's their own fault for refusing to use it).
You might be into something I’m sick of seeing “perfect release” low and away that ends up high middle. Pitching is by far the biggest issue with 20.
I usually hover around the 700's, I'm not a great hitter, but my ERA is sub 2 after 1500 RS games. Pulse is the way to go
Meter seemed really good for 21 but if I play 20 again I might try pulse and see how it goes. Do you get mistakes in the middle ever that are called in a completely different location? It’s def something you would notice because it happens very often with meter at least.
This year pulse is not rewarding on anything offspeed, lots of hanging curves or sinkers or sliders that break towards the middle. You can spot your FBs with Kershaw and Maddux, but they don’t throw hard enough
Start them low, meaning, assume the breaking balls will end up at the top of the circle, and you'll be good. If you have controller vibration on, go below the zone until your controller vibrates. They won't hang on you there, unless you screw up.
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@a_perfectgame said in So, pitching huh.:
@crimson_monk said in So, pitching huh.:
@drunk_wizard509 said in So, pitching huh.:
Take out all rng please. This stream was gross. They showed nothing about hitting, and basically showed how crazy rng is on pitching is even when you get a perfect release.
Yah RNG is bs. If you barely miss you hoop or meter it shouldn’t be a hanger..... those are reserved for bad misses. These clowns can’t understand it
In the beta when you missed you missed all over not a hanger down the middle which was good. Like if I wanted a ball low and outside and I missed my meter it might go way outside or inside but not down the middle of the plate. I feel like that’s a fair fix.
I can feel that, I just don’t want forced hangers all the time . It should happen occasionally but not so often with better pirchers
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@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@a_perfectgame said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@yankblan_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
@thegoaler_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
@lucas8181 said in So, pitching huh.:
I've been using pulse for years, and it's been by far the most consistent for a long time. I'm glad they are taking the pulse pitching approach and applying it to the other pitching input methods.
Pulse is the one input method they've figured out how to code consistently, so this is good news for all other input types. FINALLY
Is this true? I never gave Pulse pitching a sniff. I still use Meter, although inconsistent like crazy. Never liked Analog, although the best players use it.
Is this true? Why would I lie? LOL.
Yes, there is a circle that Pulses (hence the name). The smaller the circle, the better the accuracy. No matter what, the ball will end up inside that circle (big or small).
The better the confidence of the pitcher, and the higher the bb/9 and control, the smaller the circle is to start, and the slower it pulses.
In 21, they are simply applying pulse pitching to all input types because....pulse has always been the best (Despite trolls arguing with me for two years here).
As I said in another thread, pulse was best before 20. Now the area included the outside of the circle meeting the outside of the ball. They probably nerfed it because it was too easy, even though it seemed like a pretty well kept secret.
I don't have any issues with it this year either. I"m glad their moving all pitching to the pulse platform, everyone will finally stop complaining (Even though it's their own fault for refusing to use it).
You might be into something I’m sick of seeing “perfect release” low and away that ends up high middle. Pitching is by far the biggest issue with 20.
I usually hover around the 700's, I'm not a great hitter, but my ERA is sub 2 after 1500 RS games. Pulse is the way to go
Sub 2?!?! [censored] dude that’s REALLY good for 20.
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Yeah, f anything, that stream gave me more questions than answers. Also made me wonder if these mechanics (without calling it par) are somewhat in the game now. Is meter better than analog for accuracy now? Is there that much (or more) variation in where a pitch can end up from aim point with good input?
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@bhall09_psn said in So, pitching huh.:
Yeah, f anything, that stream gave me more questions than answers. Also made me wonder if these mechanics (without calling it par) are somewhat in the game now. Is meter better than analog for accuracy now? Is there that much (or more) variation in where a pitch can end up from aim point with good input?
PAR seems to simply be feedback, nothing more. The innovation delivered in that stream is pinpoint.
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@drunk_wizard509 said in So, pitching huh.:
Take out all rng please. This stream was gross. They showed nothing about hitting, and basically showed how crazy rng is on pitching is even when you get a perfect release.
What you’re suggesting makes sense but at least now we can see the difference between a 99 control and a 70 control and make a decision about which pitcher to use using that information. PAR is a small step in the right direction but the journey isn’t over yet.
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@bjd10048842 said in So, pitching huh.:
@drunk_wizard509 said in So, pitching huh.:
Take out all rng please. This stream was gross. They showed nothing about hitting, and basically showed how crazy rng is on pitching is even when you get a perfect release.
Legit, they're basically showing how much wiggle room they have to manipulate the pitch. Covering their butts for later when ppl complain they can reference this BS gray area. @colinsds
He might not see this.
