Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again)
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@the_dragon1912 said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
@Raider52Morrison said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
Verlander and Sale not as bad as Kershaw during the playoffs but they are near him.
Verlander? The Same Verlander that dominated 4 straight years in the Playoffs? That Verlander? You cant judge him only on his 35 year old Astros years man
He's probably referring to the Tigers World Series Verlander, who is simply horrible.
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Verlander has a winning record but is 0-6 in the WS. But he does own the playoff record of 205 strikeouts. As for Keyshawn, he just seems to lose it in the playoffs. 11-11 with a 4.43 era.
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It's not as simple as that....Kersh' playoff problems, is due to many factors. I am not saying Kersh should not get his share of blame, but there is plenty of blame to go around.....for many years the organization really put him in extremely difficult situations and frankly wouldn't have even made the postseason without his arm. For several years he was all they had, basically, and was pretty much used up before the postseason even started.
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@beanball0571 said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
Verlander has a winning record but is 0-6 in the WS. But he does own the playoff record of 205 strikeouts. As for Keyshawn, he just seems to lose it in the playoffs. 11-11 with a 4.43 era.
Even then. You can’t Judge his entire playoff resume just on the world series. Fact is he has been great in every other round. 2 of his 6 WS losses were as a rookie, 1 was the Pablo Sandoval game, 1 good game against the dodgers but got the loss due to poor run support, and 2 bad games against Washington at age 36. Kershaw has been consistently underperforming in every round of the playoffs.
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@ItsaCanesthing said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
@mrcityofwin said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
Love me some kersh but this braves lineup is filth. Everyone locked in rn
It's the playoffs. Everyone has a stacked lineup.
If he wants to be considered an all time great, he needs to pitch great in the post season.
It might not be fair, but that is the standard baseball has used for over 100 years.So then Keyshawn doesn’t belong in the hall of fame?
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@onnagood1 said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
@ItsaCanesthing said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
Can anyone think of another 1st ballot sure fire Hall of Famer that has consistently come up as small in the playoffs as Kershaw has done throughout his career?
My buddy is a Braves fan and he was nervous before this game.
I told him not to worry Kershaw will blow it.I've been saying that Kershaw has been washed up for a what seems to be a while now, especially postseason, and I'm from LA. I think that Kenley Jansen could also be included in the discussion of another Dodger that is washed up.
I disagree on kershaw however I do agree with on Jansen. He’s burnt!
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Kershaw gave up 4 runs in 5 innings. If we're looking at anybody else we say this isn't a bad line. Fault the Doyers for using up all their bats last night.
If you want to point fingers, point them at Brusdar for allowing 3 runs in a third of an inning.
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@mjfc_363 said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
@ItsaCanesthing said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
@mrcityofwin said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
Love me some kersh but this braves lineup is filth. Everyone locked in rn
It's the playoffs. Everyone has a stacked lineup.
If he wants to be considered an all time great, he needs to pitch great in the post season.
It might not be fair, but that is the standard baseball has used for over 100 years.So then Keyshawn doesn’t belong in the hall of fame?
Who said that?
My initial post was can you remember another 1st ballot sure fire Hall of Famer that has come up as small in the Playoffs as Kershaw has?
Kershaw is a Hall of Famer, but he is trash when it matters most. He is a great player, but he can never be in the all time great discussion because of prolonged and repeated playoff disasters.As for "Keyshawn" he is not a Hall of Famer, nobody got him the D-a-m-n ball.
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@ItsaCanesthing said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
@mjfc_363 said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
@ItsaCanesthing said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
@mrcityofwin said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
Love me some kersh but this braves lineup is filth. Everyone locked in rn
It's the playoffs. Everyone has a stacked lineup.
If he wants to be considered an all time great, he needs to pitch great in the post season.
It might not be fair, but that is the standard baseball has used for over 100 years.So then Keyshawn doesn’t belong in the hall of fame?
Who said that?
My initial post was can you remember another 1st ballot sure fire Hall of Famer that has come up as small in the Playoffs as Kershaw has?
Kershaw is a Hall of Famer, but he is trash when it matters most. He is a great player, but he can never be in the all time great discussion because of prolonged and repeated playoff disasters.As for "Keyshawn" he is not a Hall of Famer, nobody got him the D-a-m-n ball.
If I’m reading this correctly some of the recent all time greats are 9 games under 500. Or at least their teams are. To be honest, I didn’t read the article too closely. But, thought it was good fodder for the discussion.
Speaking as a dodger fan, I just want so badly to get rid of this thing for kershaw. It seems every time he pitches the dodger can’t do anything offensively. He’s definitely had his bad games, but he’s also pitched in a lot of games. Like I said in another thread, I love and hate being a Dodger fan. I’m going to go throw up now. But, tomorrow I’ll be convinced that that is the day the dodgers turn it around.
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My Kershaw memories in the playoffs tend to be the bullpen letting runners score such as today. By no means is he lights out, but let's also realize such as in 2019 he got his one out of the bullpen there is no need to have him return after he retires his one batter. I remember Baez coming in and blowing it after or like Brusdar today coughing up runners on base. My next question would be is Mike Trout an all time great because he's 1-10 in postseason and can't even get there or Degrom who has a 7.20 era in one WS start in his only postseason appearance? We can punish Kershaw for all the blow ups but he's also had more chances than someone like Degrom or Trout.
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@DiddyKlunk said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
My Kershaw memories in the playoffs tend to be the bullpen letting runners score such as today. By no means is he lights out, but let's also realize such as in 2019 he got his one out of the bullpen there is no need to have him return after he retires his one batter. I remember Baez coming in and blowing it after or like Brusdar today coughing up runners on base. My next question would be is Mike Trout an all time great because he's 1-10 in postseason and can't even get there or Degrom who has a 7.20 era in one WS start in his only postseason appearance? We can punish Kershaw for all the blow ups but he's also had more chances than someone like Degrom or Trout.
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I believe he didn’t have his best stuff today, Roberts sent him to die when he didn’t pull him out to start the 6th.
Pitching on short rest and letting him pitch one more inning are management decisions. I agree he has to step up and do better but he is not the only one to blame.
Edit: Forgot to mention lack of run support. You can’t win a game in the playoffs by only getting 1 hit through 6 innings.
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@ItsaCanesthing said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
@turtleopolis said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
Your friend was reasonable to worry, I know I was. Kershaw was undefeated against us in his career starts (postseason included).
Momentum in baseball is tomorrow's starting pitcher.
Kershaw has the reverse midas touch in the post season
I knew Kershaw would fold..Death
Taxes
and Kershaw coming up small in the playoffs
Are the 3 certainties in lifeFor me, add this: Being bad at RS, or every mode for that matter.
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Not first ballot HOF but David Price sucks in the playoffs too
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They need to release a Postseason Kershaw card, but make it a bronze 67
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@Hikes83 said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
Not first ballot HOF but David Price sucks in the playoffs too
The only way David Price is getting in the Hall of Fame is if he buys a ticket.
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No love or hate for Kershaw either way, but while he has choked in the playoffs that last inning for him was different.
I noticed both those doubles were perfectly placed on the ground into the gap before he was pulled. If either one is a bit further hit towards short or 3rd its an out. Those balls had eyes. The next hit, a single, was placed perfectly up the middle. Sometimes that's what happens in baseball.
Cant take away from the braves though. Teams help make their own luck too. Just watch the plate discipline and focus of guys like Freeman is incredible. I feel he could go up against any of the best pitchers this year and put in a solid at bat where he worked the count and wasn't put away in just a few pitches.
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Justin Verlander
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I think a big chunk of the blame goes to Graterol, he didn't shut things down after Kershaw left the mound. Brusdar can throw 101 mph fastballs, but it doesn't mean much when you leave them over the heart of the plate like he did.
Kershaw did look a little tired the inning before, so I think the base hit and throwing error kind of sealed his departure, no fault of his own.
The high wind likely helped those base hits a little.
And can we take a second to talk about Bryse Wilson's performance? Young arm like that in a pitcher's duel against Kershaw was fun to watch.
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@iBonafideScrub_ said in Kershaw crumbles in the big playoff game (again):
I believe he didn’t have his best stuff today, Roberts sent him to die when he didn’t pull him out to start the 6th.
Pitching on short rest and letting him pitch one more inning are management decisions. I agree he has to step up and do better but he is not the only one to blame.
Edit: Forgot to mention lack of run support. You can’t win a game in the playoffs by only getting 1 hit through 6 innings.
I agree Dave Roberts is a big part of the problem.
His decision making leaves alot to be desired. I guess Don Mattingly wasn't so bad.
(Thanks for the Manager Dodgers
)And Kershaw was not on short rest. He last pitched on 10/7, which is what ? 8 days?
If you want to act like the Man, be paid like the Man, you gotta perform when it matters most.I do not care about his Win-Loss record. I look at the other #'s ERA, production stats like WHIP, SLG, etc when judging a pitcher in the post season.
