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@abbyspapa said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
As usual, the real villain is the league, or more specifically Rob Manfred. If he didn't cut a deal and punished the players involved, people would eventually get over it.
Had he done that it would have opened the whole can of worms of everyone involved. MLB couldnt survive that. He will most likely pay with his job as well.
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People are still trying to downplay the severity of what the Astros did?
How sad. I don’t agree with people getting the players families involved, but these guys deserve every bruise and broken bone they’re going to get.
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All you need to look at for how much this helped the Astros in 2017 is their playoff road/home splits. Altuve and Bergman.. their numbers at home compared to on the road are ridiculous. You can't look at that and say cheating hurt the hitters and didn't help them. Comparing sign stealing from 1979 to 2017 is just silly. Technology has far and away exceeded that time line. Fortunately for the Astros when the Red Sox investigation is complete there will be a new team to talk about.
Anyone who follows baseba knows how talented the Houston Astros line up is. To say they won the world series solely based on cheating is a stretch. But it helped. How much did it help? We will never know. Something tells me these players are not so remorseful about the situation because it is a league wide problem and they are not going to say how sorry they are when they really don't feel that way when everyone was doing it. Who knows.
My biggest problem with this entir situation is Rob Manfred calling the world series trophy a piece of metal.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@BIGHOOV2713 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@thinkbluedgr said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
And I love it. They deserve everything theyre getting. And I'm glad guys like Trout and Judge are speaking out. Everyone is disgusted. The way they have handled the whole situation is terrible. The Astros have lost all respect with the league.
Then Big papi calls Fiers a snitch. He's mad at Fiers for snitching but not at the Astros for damaging the integrity of the game. Unbelievable. I guess that's a cheaters mentality.
Big Papi has a lot of nerve IMO.
https://sports.cbslocal.com/2016/05/27/david-ortiz-ped-steroid-red-sox/
“Let he who is without blame, cast the first stone.”
He better keep his nose out of it if he wants his “Call to the Hall”.
The only players that have gotten upset at Fiers are players who also cheated/are cheating.
Hey just so you know in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. MLB is is still investigating the Red Sox that doesn't mean they will find them guilty.
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@pogibana said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@BIGHOOV2713 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@thinkbluedgr said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
And I love it. They deserve everything theyre getting. And I'm glad guys like Trout and Judge are speaking out. Everyone is disgusted. The way they have handled the whole situation is terrible. The Astros have lost all respect with the league.
Then Big papi calls Fiers a snitch. He's mad at Fiers for snitching but not at the Astros for damaging the integrity of the game. Unbelievable. I guess that's a cheaters mentality.
Big Papi has a lot of nerve IMO.
https://sports.cbslocal.com/2016/05/27/david-ortiz-ped-steroid-red-sox/
“Let he who is without blame, cast the first stone.”
He better keep his nose out of it if he wants his “Call to the Hall”.
The only players that have gotten upset at Fiers are players who also cheated/are cheating.
Hey just so you know in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. MLB is is still investigating the Red Sox that doesn't mean they will find them guilty.
I can almost assure you they will not. Boston, NYY, Cubs, Cardinals, or LAD have no chance. And TBH right no team really does, because one team has to take the fall.
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@StarsWillAlign said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
All you need to look at for how much this helped the Astros in 2017 is their playoff road/home splits. Altuve and Bergman.. their numbers at home compared to on the road are ridiculous. You can't look at that and say cheating hurt the hitters and didn't help them. Comparing sign stealing from 1979 to 2017 is just silly. Technology has far and away exceeded that time line. Fortunately for the Astros when the Red Sox investigation is complete there will be a new team to talk about.
Anyone who follows baseba knows how talented the Houston Astros line up is. To say they won the world series solely based on cheating is a stretch. But it helped. How much did it help? We will never know. Something tells me these players are not so remorseful about the situation because it is a league wide problem and they are not going to say how sorry they are when they really don't feel that way when everyone was doing it. Who knows.
My biggest problem with this entir situation is Rob Manfred calling the world series trophy a piece of metal.
Correa's and McCann's road/home splits in 2017 postseason were ridiculous as well, Correa, who is an even bigger liar than Altuve and Bregman are hit .211 on the road, but .371 at home and McCann hit just .037 on the road, but .300 at home. WTF
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@ThaShark316
As an baseball fan first and foremost, I have a hard time caring. No one's spoke this much about our game in a while, so I love that part.
As an Astros fan, I say let people talk. Call us whatever, it won't hurt me. Folks need to leave player's families alone, however. Internet or not, that's thoughtless and cruel behavior at best and it's not close to OK.There should be ZERO room left for those players and coaches/staff that knowingly participated in cheating the game. The impact that this has will last the rest of this decade and that’s why those Astros players should be banned from baseball for good, or immediately remove all opportunity for future awards and Cooperstown because obv they are cheating the league. And if it comes out the Red Sox and Yankees or god forbid my own Mariners are cheating, then those people need to be made an example of and removed from baseball. And the fact that Astros players families are getting death threats should tell you how much that the rest of the country and the world cares that your little thieves got away with it for so long. They should be ended in baseball.
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@thinkbluedgr said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
And I love it. They deserve everything theyre getting. And I'm glad guys like Trout and Judge are speaking out. Everyone is disgusted. The way they have handled the whole situation is terrible. The Astros have lost all respect with the league.
Then Big papi calls Fiers a snitch. He's mad at Fiers for snitching but not at the Astros for damaging the integrity of the game. Unbelievable. I guess that's a cheaters mentality.
He is not mad that he snitch, he is mad of the timing, why did Fiers wait 3 years to speak out that is what he is mad about. Read the full article on what Big Papi said and understand it. I am a dodger fan. I agree with that fiers should have said something sooner.
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I hope owners will not sign or trade for these players when there contracts are up Altuve, Bregman, Correa, Springer or anyone else left on the Astros that were part of this scandal, If they do then the owners are saying it was ok that they cheated.
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@dbarmonstar said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@thinkbluedgr said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
And I love it. They deserve everything theyre getting. And I'm glad guys like Trout and Judge are speaking out. Everyone is disgusted. The way they have handled the whole situation is terrible. The Astros have lost all respect with the league.
Then Big papi calls Fiers a snitch. He's mad at Fiers for snitching but not at the Astros for damaging the integrity of the game. Unbelievable. I guess that's a cheaters mentality.
He is not mad that he snitch, he is mad of the timing, why did Fiers wait 3 years to speak out that is what he is mad about. Read the full article on what Big Papi said and understand it. I am a dodger fan. I agree with that fiers should have said something sooner.
Why is it Fiers' cross to bier and not anyone else in the Astros organization? It's documented he brought up the sign stealing stuff and MLB sat on it. The only reason anyone has any concrete proof is because of Fiers coming forward. It's a lose/lose proposition for him, but now every thing is in the open.
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@dbarmonstar said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@thinkbluedgr said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
And I love it. They deserve everything theyre getting. And I'm glad guys like Trout and Judge are speaking out. Everyone is disgusted. The way they have handled the whole situation is terrible. The Astros have lost all respect with the league.
Then Big papi calls Fiers a snitch. He's mad at Fiers for snitching but not at the Astros for damaging the integrity of the game. Unbelievable. I guess that's a cheaters mentality.
He is not mad that he snitch, he is mad of the timing, why did Fiers wait 3 years to speak out that is what he is mad about. Read the full article on what Big Papi said and understand it. I am a dodger fan. I agree with that fiers should have said something sooner.
Why is it Fiers' cross to bier and not anyone else in the Astros organization? It's documented he brought up the sign stealing stuff and MLB sat on it. The only reason anyone has any concrete proof is because of Fiers coming forward. It's a lose/lose proposition for him, but now every thing is in the open.
That is the problem that MLB waits until the media gets a hold of it before do anything. The same thing happened with steroids it was not a big deal to the front office of MLB until Canseco wrote his book and the media ran with it.
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@ChArTeRBuS said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
Loving every minute of it. They act so cocky and say they love being the villains then one day later another Astro comes out and says his wife needs 24 hour security and to come to all road games.
It’s been a month we’ll see if these clowns still love it 10 years from now. That immunity won’t matter down in Puerto Rico and the Dominican where people whose lives got ruined will be patiently waiting like they did Big Papi
Guess we'll see how they love getting hit. Going to happen.
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@thinkbluedgr said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
And I love it. They deserve everything theyre getting. And I'm glad guys like Trout and Judge are speaking out. Everyone is disgusted. The way they have handled the whole situation is terrible. The Astros have lost all respect with the league.
Then Big papi calls Fiers a snitch. He's mad at Fiers for snitching but not at the Astros for damaging the integrity of the game. Unbelievable. I guess that's a cheaters mentality.
Listen man I know how you feel bro Aaron Judge was Robbed for an MVP that year like that year in 2017 I was looking at the stats and in my mind the number never add up to me Judge vs Altuve I just kept say that Altuve was the better man that season. But now where are here and this is bull. Like I realized that The Dodgers had the best team on paper and on the field in 2017 and as baseball fan I thought dam this one of the best World Series I have ever seen but I was wrong I don't wish not bad to them but they need to deal with what is coming there way through the season
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That's the thing... Oakland reported that Houston was cheating two seasons before Fiers spoke for the Athletic. They reported it and MLB did nothing. Until it became public knowledge that's when they stepped up and knew they had to do something. Jonathan LuCroy was the catcher for Oakland than and when he played Houston he was switching his signs every single pitch. Look it up. MLB dropped the ball and didn't move on it until the absolutely had to.
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@StarsWillAlign said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
That's the thing... Oakland reported that Houston was cheating two seasons before Fiers spoke for the Athletic. They reported it and MLB did nothing. Until it became public knowledge that's when they stepped up and knew they had to do something. Jonathan LuCroy was the catcher for Oakland than and when he played Houston he was switching his signs every single pitch. Look it up. MLB dropped the ball and didn't move on it until the absolutely had to.
Lucroy reported to MLB in 2016 while playing with the Angels, speaking of moving on something that force MLB to do something same thing happened with Steroids, MLB knew about did nothing unitl Canseco book came out and the media ran with it and it force MLB front office to do something. Steroids brought in money and excitement and it brought baseball fans back that they lost from the 94 strike, with out Sosa, McGwire, and Bonds where would baseball be today if they did not have the steroids to bring in money and bring fans back.
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@ChuckCLC said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@pogibana said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@BIGHOOV2713 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@thinkbluedgr said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
And I love it. They deserve everything theyre getting. And I'm glad guys like Trout and Judge are speaking out. Everyone is disgusted. The way they have handled the whole situation is terrible. The Astros have lost all respect with the league.
Then Big papi calls Fiers a snitch. He's mad at Fiers for snitching but not at the Astros for damaging the integrity of the game. Unbelievable. I guess that's a cheaters mentality.
Big Papi has a lot of nerve IMO.
https://sports.cbslocal.com/2016/05/27/david-ortiz-ped-steroid-red-sox/
“Let he who is without blame, cast the first stone.”
He better keep his nose out of it if he wants his “Call to the Hall”.
The only players that have gotten upset at Fiers are players who also cheated/are cheating.
Hey just so you know in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. MLB is is still investigating the Red Sox that doesn't mean they will find them guilty.
I can almost assure you they will not. Boston, NYY, Cubs, Cardinals, or LAD have no chance. And TBH right no team really does, because one team has to take the fall.
The other teams mentioned in one of the original reports to be cheating were the rangers and Brewers.
Strange how we haven’t seen Yelich or basically anybody from the brewers calling out the Astros like other players are doing.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@ChuckCLC said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@pogibana said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@BIGHOOV2713 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@thinkbluedgr said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
And I love it. They deserve everything theyre getting. And I'm glad guys like Trout and Judge are speaking out. Everyone is disgusted. The way they have handled the whole situation is terrible. The Astros have lost all respect with the league.
Then Big papi calls Fiers a snitch. He's mad at Fiers for snitching but not at the Astros for damaging the integrity of the game. Unbelievable. I guess that's a cheaters mentality.
Big Papi has a lot of nerve IMO.
https://sports.cbslocal.com/2016/05/27/david-ortiz-ped-steroid-red-sox/
“Let he who is without blame, cast the first stone.”
He better keep his nose out of it if he wants his “Call to the Hall”.
The only players that have gotten upset at Fiers are players who also cheated/are cheating.
Hey just so you know in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. MLB is is still investigating the Red Sox that doesn't mean they will find them guilty.
I can almost assure you they will not. Boston, NYY, Cubs, Cardinals, or LAD have no chance. And TBH right no team really does, because one team has to take the fall.
The other teams mentioned in one of the original reports to be cheating were the rangers and Brewers.
Strange how we haven’t seen Yelich or basically anybody from the brewers calling out the Astros like other players are doing.
John Smoltz said make sure you're clean before you speak. Brewers got ex Astro people in their front office. They know better. Plus, they accused LAD in '18. May as well keep quiet.
But like I said the other day, you can't investigate the whole league. That's why I'm not upset by the whole thing. Just like Bountygate and Spygate and Tim Donaghy: You only need one suspect.
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@dbarmonstar said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@thinkbluedgr said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
And I love it. They deserve everything theyre getting. And I'm glad guys like Trout and Judge are speaking out. Everyone is disgusted. The way they have handled the whole situation is terrible. The Astros have lost all respect with the league.
Then Big papi calls Fiers a snitch. He's mad at Fiers for snitching but not at the Astros for damaging the integrity of the game. Unbelievable. I guess that's a cheaters mentality.
He is not mad that he snitch, he is mad of the timing, why did Fiers wait 3 years to speak out that is what he is mad about. Read the full article on what Big Papi said and understand it. I am a dodger fan. I agree with that fiers should have said something sooner.
I don't need to read an article. I heard it from his big fat thug cheating mouth. I don't care when fiers came out about it. That shouldn't be the concern. He should be concerned about what the Astros did. Smh.
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I say they lean into it and all grow Snidley Whiplash mustaches...
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@ChuckCLC said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@pogibana said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@BIGHOOV2713 said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
@thinkbluedgr said in This cheating scandal has really blown up.:
And I love it. They deserve everything theyre getting. And I'm glad guys like Trout and Judge are speaking out. Everyone is disgusted. The way they have handled the whole situation is terrible. The Astros have lost all respect with the league.
Then Big papi calls Fiers a snitch. He's mad at Fiers for snitching but not at the Astros for damaging the integrity of the game. Unbelievable. I guess that's a cheaters mentality.
Big Papi has a lot of nerve IMO.
https://sports.cbslocal.com/2016/05/27/david-ortiz-ped-steroid-red-sox/
“Let he who is without blame, cast the first stone.”
He better keep his nose out of it if he wants his “Call to the Hall”.
The only players that have gotten upset at Fiers are players who also cheated/are cheating.
Hey just so you know in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. MLB is is still investigating the Red Sox that doesn't mean they will find them guilty.
I can almost assure you they will not. Boston, NYY, Cubs, Cardinals, or LAD have no chance. And TBH right no team really does, because one team has to take the fall.
The other teams mentioned in one of the original reports to be cheating were the rangers and Brewers.
Strange how we haven’t seen Yelich or basically anybody from the brewers calling out the Astros like other players are doing.
Because basically every one called them out for them. Listen this a competitive sport and not alot of people will give Houston there dues they are cheaters and its it's terrible for baseball right now
