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SDS - Please read this... This.... Sums it up...

Especially the Henderson / Cabrera / Kershaw image... This game isn't playing and "becoming a player" balancing Strengths/Weaknesses anymore. It has become "a fantasy were your past decision won't impact your future at all since you change everything with 2 clicks".

Realism is gone... Our RTTS players aren't fun see evolve anymore... They're just image of "what do I wanna do today? Who cares about the past or the future?"

But who cares about realism when the goal is simply to link everything to DD which is their monetized game mode...

@Collin_SDS_PSN

Any news on if SDS plan to let us have more than one RTTS player???

If the plan is to have only one player in RTTS and if we don't have the ability to start over from scratch, just be honest and let us know. Would be nice to know if it's on your roadmap or not.

Thanks.

@dolenz_psn said in SDS response:

I'm curious what type of communication people expect?

Do you want them to come out and say

"Yeah, our servers are awful. We are trying every night to resolve the issues to the best of our ability but at this time we have no estimate on when they will be 100% working".

Will that make you feel better? Will it just upset you more? They can't give you answers they don't even know yet and they are not going to go into technical details about the servers. They are not going to discuss compensation or remedies until the problems are resolved.

And this is not me defending them or excusing the inexcusable down times. It is honestly me being curious as to what type of communication would satisfy you?

Any good company that employs any one with decent PR experience would tell you :

1. Acknowledge the problem. It will also help angry people reposting the same problems over and over since we'd know they are aware of them. Provide a simple list.... (That's Easy)

2. Show empathy and say you're sorry. At least it would help the tone of certain post around here... If I'm ignored, I'm angry and I'm direct... If I feel someone cares, I'll be open to discussion... (That's also really easy)

3. Show your roadmap. Tell your customer what you will fix and explain what you won't fix. If possible provide a timeline, but at least let people know your priority... E.g.

• Server problem are a top priority,
• RTTS Equipments will be fixed priority #2,
• Having more than one Ballplayer in RTTS isn't feasible this year but will be addressed in 2022,
• Custom Music in "sound of the Show" isn't a priority, it won't be planned in a near future,
• etc...
  (That requires a bit of planning... But It's been 3 weeks, they should have a roadmap by now)

If they do that, it's basic, simple communication. Instead of writing/reading hundreds of post, at least we'd know their plan and what to expect... It would solve probably 50% of the topics on this forum.

@diienameless_psn said in Dear SDS:

@m-a47_psn said in Dear SDS:

@lischynski_psn said in Dear SDS:

@tarne67_psn said in Dear SDS:

You need a way to be able to call your agent instead of waiting for his yearly one call.

This is a frustrating oversight specifically, IMO. If we're going to have locked positions based off our current loadout, we need to be able to request a position change whenever we want to be start working on a new archetype without having to start a new career.

I get your point but it's a "Maybe" for me as doing that would take even more realism away... I can't imagine a 1B in real-life converting to CF overnight...

However, if they plan on keeping the universal Ballplayer it's probably a good idea... Starting over in AA with a player that has all its base attributes maxed out isn't realistic at all... So... If they keep this feature, they already allow us to change our player's attributes overnight, so it make sense that we could change position... I mean of you want to build something unrealistic, go All-In with it!

I think the best way would be to revert to the old mechanism. You can build different players for different purpose and "live" different career paths. Take RTTS 2020 and add the choice to be 2Way player would be pretty good. Make sure to ask only one time at the start though...

I'd get rid of the Loadouts, but it would require a lot of rework which is impossible to ask as an update on a yearly released game.

I have hopes for 2022, can't wait for SDS to confirm their intentions with RTTS....

Why not Bellinger plays 1B and OF with like 75+speed

If you keep the same skill set at every position, I'm ok with it... 2nd position were in the game prior years and versatility is a key part of baseball.

My point was that it's mind boggling that one day I'm a slow power hitter and the next and a Speedy defender that can bunt for hit... Play me at another position or ask me if I want to try a new position, that's great! But I should come with my attributes, my strengths and my flaws. I should not be able to change 2 cards and now be the best in the league at that position.

But anyway, since they said yesterday that this is "the foundation" of future RTTS iterations, if they keep loadouts and if we're stuck with ONE player without the ability to start over, might as well have complete liberty and let us change position at every game depending on how we feel...

That game was supposed to be a simulation built for realism and was advertised as such but we got an arcade game mode built for fun and instant gratification. That's why I'm angry at SDS... They should have said what they took away from the mode in the feature premiere instead of hiding everything and only talk about a podcast that 80% of players skip as fast as they skip ads on YouTube...

@sgmrock_xbl said in Game Update 5 Thread:

@m-a47_psn said in Game Update 5 Thread:

@chestnuts20_psn said in Game Update 5 Thread:

@m-a47_psn said in Game Update 5 Thread:

@Collin_SDS_PSN

Any news on if SDS plan to let us have more than one RTTS player???

If the plan is to have only one player in RTTS and if we don't have the ability to start over from scratch, just be honest and let us know. Would be nice to know if it's on your roadmap or not.

Thanks.

You just start a new save...

Having 2 players and starting new saves are two completely different things...

Starting from scratch with a new player/career is different than having your already All-star level player at the MLB level start back in AA with a new save...

Starting over from scratch provide a replay ability within the mode. Starting a new save with the same player is taking away even more realism than the loadouts have already taken away from that mode...

That's why I asked @Collin_SDS_PSN if they plan on letting know their customers what is their plan...

If you take off all the equipment, archetype and perks you can start AA as a 60 something and just add stuff to progress yourself when you think it’s time.

So basically, players should compensate with their own set of made up rules when design decisions break something that was working perfectly fine before...

Granted that It's a workaround to keep a relatively realistic playthrough, but paying 100$ on a game, my expectations as a customer are that the game should improve over time... SDS self branded TheShow21 as the most realistic baseball simulation... Unfortunately that title applies to TheShow20, not TheShow21...

I don't ask for it to revert back to what it was, I'm just asking what is their plan. It's their choice and if they want to steer everyone in the Fantasy card playing/trading/buying, I'm ok with it... I just want to know what is the plan so I can decide if I keep on waiting for that iteration of the game to be updated or if I put the game away.

The way they handle this situation will help me adjust my customer behavior and future buying decisions regarding their products.

That's simple customer service 101 for a company that claim to "listen to their players"...

Granted, they never said they replied to their customers, they said they listen...

I love to play different positions and start different RTTS saves with different teams. With the "MyBallPlayer" I can start different RTTS but it's always the same player and the attributes carry from saves to saves...

Which means I can start a new save but the player is already a beast at the AA level... No progression, no fun... We need to be able to have multiple Ball Player or RTTS is now a worthless game mode...

The mode is not meant to build a player from the minor to the major anymore... It's about building a Beast that slams dingers and throw fireballs effortlessly...

Realism and ability to have fun build different player is gone... Please patch this and make it possible again to have different players with different careers with different attributes... Using loadouts of the same player over and over without the ability to start from scratch on different RTTS Personnas is Boring...

I deeply regret my purchase... Please fix it...

In a live stream today SDS said this year MyBallPlayer and RTTS are laying foundation for the years to come...

I asked them 2 questions regarding loadouts and having more than one player in that thread following the stream. https://forums.theshow.com/topic/34259/following-twitch-stream-rtts-plans

I hope they'll answer them...

If they can unlink with DD and allow us multiple players in RTTS that would be a great improvement!!!

But I doubt they will do it... My guess is we're stuck with it and they won't patch any offline mode....

Then in 2022 I'll wait 2-3 weeks after release decide if I buy it or not...

2021 is my last "Pre-order" buy on TheShow

Yup, immersion and realism are gone...

Loadouts are great for DD, but they contribute a lot to ruin the RTTS experience... Being a speedy gold glove defender on monday and a hulking power hitter on Tuesday makes it really hard to relate to your RTTS player...

First time I ever experienced a career mode where everything changes on the fly without consequences... Who would have thought that in real life, players got better by playing cards instead of actually practicing and showing greatness on the field...

@aa-uh-how-ar-ya_xbl said in Multiple RTTS ballplayers:

You can have as many rtts and load outs as you want

But it's always the same player with the same attributes... Meaning you can't factually start over from scratch.

You can have a "new career" but it's the same player and he'll keep his name, attributes, etc...

Like said earlier in this thread, Massive L for this game mode, realism and replay ability...

Too bad SDS can't seem able to provide any updates on their plan to address/fix this...

1. Is it now possible to create multiple players in RTTS?
2. In RTTS, is it now possible to start over from scratch with each new save or are we still stuck with the same player keeping all its attributes?

The real question is :
3. If both of these things aren't possible, is it planned to address them or not?

I want to know if I should quit that forum and throw that game away for good or if I should wait a few weeks....

@Collin_SDS_PSN Please answer at least question 3... It's been 2 weeks and I want to know if things will be addressed or not...

It used to be fun in MLB The Show when we could do that...

Now it seems we're stuck with the same player. You can't restart a new save from scratch and have 2 completely different players at the same time...

This mode used to be fun... They broke it... Unfortunately....

I think They just pulled the Cyberpunk of sports game...

It's a yearly release, so there's 2 path they can go :

• Acknowledge the Problems and fix them even if it means 2022 will have less "Brand new features"
• Do the strict minimum, blame it on the new console generation and sell TheShow 2021 fixed and name it "TheShow 2022" next year.

I hope they pick the first option...

@gusbus022_psn said in Worried for the future of RTTS:

@red_ted_is_back said in Worried for the future of RTTS:

@gusbus022_psn said in Worried for the future of RTTS:

We don't want the mode to be connected to DD. People in DD will never use the " Ballplayer " anyway. We can only make one player which can get stale very fast. The loadouts aren't very fun just let us progress our player as we play. What is so bad about gaining attributes by playing RTTS? Forced to be online to play is also a baffling decision so when the servers go off in 2 years the mode will be completely unplayable if you go to revisit the game or keep playing it. Also can't play when your servers go out or when our internet goes out. The progression system isn't very good when it works which it doesn't most of the time unfortunately. You are forced to play DD to progress your player currently because that is the only way the " programs " will track missions and stats. Also every time you go into loadouts it glitches out your gear and you have to switch everything back. Like it will give you just one batting glove put the foot guard back on forced sunglasses on always instead of when just fielding and much more including swing types when you have a built stance it can be very frustrating to have to fix it just because you went to the loadout screen to check " programs " progress. So please SDS just make RTTS like you used to for next years game. We want to be able to make multiple characters, not be connected to DD, and just gain attributes from playing not this " perk/architype " system.

You can create more than one RTTS player, just hit square over RTTS on the main menu. Also, forced to play online? You sure about that?

No you can't create more than one player you would have to change your " ballplayer" every time you want to play a different career without using the same name and face. and yes forced online you can't gain progression towards " programs " without being connected online. Have you actually played the mode? When the servers go out you can't earn perks which you need to play the mode.....

They successfully broke something that was fun and working and made it really bad!!!

They said in the feature premiere that they noticed we had more than one RTTS players and made it so we could have only one thay does it all..

No one thought that we had more than one player because... We wanted more than one player...

Please @Collin_SDS_PSN & @Victor_SDS_PSN, it would be really appreciated if you could send the link to this thread to RTTS designer/engineer team.

Thanks,

@bchatley_psn said in RTTS rosters:

@m-a47_psn said in RTTS rosters:

Other players will progress in their careers as well. Once you started your career, you have zero control on the roster, it's all managed by your "GM".

There 2 things you can do :

• Play Franchise mode and "lock yourself" playing only your player. It's not RTTS anymore but you can sort of play a Career and manage everything.
• You can alter the roster prior starting your career by editing the roster of the game and when you start a new RTTS Save, you can choose to play with your custom roster. Once again though you are at the mercy of your CPU GM since you have no control, just like in real life a player isn't controling the roster of his team...

Quick tip : always Carry a 2nd backup save of your RTTS Career. It helps a lot when your GM decide to trade your best prospect for aging 70something Ov players... Always roll a backup every 2 weeks. If there's a weird moove, reload a previous save and hope your GM won't repeat his mistakes. ** Or there's the option to adjust Trade slider in setting but you'll be penalized with your XP...

Isn’t it only 50% XP for changing gameplay sliders only? Thought they said in the one update that any non gameplay sliders could be changed with no penalty

I read that also but when you alter any sliders, even if it's non-gameplay sliders, the XP Penalty message still pops-up. (We'd need someone else to test/confirm if XP Penalty is still applying or not)

To be honest, the mode is SO broken, I've started 4 different saves but I stopped playing them after 10 games... It's buggy, the UI/UX is terrible, the loadouts selection/confirmation inbetween games introduces lots of pop-up menu and ruins the fluidity of the User Experience... Loadouts are a bad idea badly executed. (Unsolicited personal opinion)

Good for SDS to have fix the unplayable issue that were their server.

Let's see what they'll do now with the broken modes and design flaws.

We're progressing, let's hope by the end of May the game will live up to it's name....

My pre-order days are gone but they can still manage to "keep" my 80$ for next year if they fix this game...

I do agree that some "GM" decisions are really Weird in RTTS21, especially the trade logic!

To keep realism I think we should not have a say in any roster decisions but I think they should improve our GM logic.

Great post @Tarne67_PSN. I totally agree with you. I'm also a RTTS player and what you are saying about it is exactly why I can't seem to enjoy this year's version of the game.

Well written post, I hope someone at SDS like @Collin_SDS_PSN or @Victor_SDS_PSN will read it.

@ben-did-it_xbl said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:

Honestly, the worst thing about the whole thing is that you only get one player and your stats carry over to new saves. It completely kills the mode, there is no longer any reason to have multiple saves, your character isn't a character he's just a COD style set of loadouts. They've ruined the journey element and taken all personality away from your player.

Truth has been spoken... Couldn't have said better. No personality, no replay value, just a one and done grind thing... It's sad...