How is the Community Market feeling (8)
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Howdy,
there was a big update today => https://forums.theshow.com/topic/84748/companion-app-v7.0.3-is-out
and while it's early to evaluate the long-term impact of
7.0.3on the Market, please let us know how what you think! -
M Manu__SDS_MLBTS pinned this topic
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Market is working amazing, and feels like an organic market now. All bids that outbid me seem like humans now. Well done, and thank you for your efforts.
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@manu__sds_mlbts Seems to be alright so far- haven't experienced the "Market Verification" request though. Is that just at random? Or will this be something we all eventually have to deal with every 24 hours if we want to use the app?
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@manu__sds_mlbts market felt great from my experience last night. This morning I can tell the bots are back and have changed their approach. On a lot of player cards with margin the bots will slowly put in multiple orders anywhere from a quantity of 11-18. They do this slowly as to not get detected At an interval of every 30 seconds or so. Every time they are outbid the same process happens, every thirty seconds the bot will delete their old order and create a new one that is exactly one stub above/under the buy now/sell now price. This would not be suspicious with one card, but this same exact behavior is prevalent on at least 20 cards that I’ve witnessed and likely much more.
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Unbelievable that this keeps happening. Guess with that much money at stake is inevitable.
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS last night was giving the same feel the market has when there has been an app update forcing people to update before using the app again. I didn’t notice any dramatic drops or rises in prices, which is something I’d expect to see if the bots currently manipulating prices were gone. I made lots of bids last night to see how they played over night and I’m not seeing any difference between now and a day ago or a week ago.
I’m def not a recapcha expert, but it seems to me the way v2 is being used atm, is not even evaluating an accounts usage in the mlb companion app? It’s going off the app to a webpage which needs to be clicked on, then a token good for 24 hours is granted? From there a bot can make countless interactions on the app. Requiring a human for 5 seconds every 24 hours will not prevent bots. I have been aware of these bots lots enough to know 1000% that whoever is operating them is much faster to respond to any changes or situations needing human attention then sds is. Days or weeks faster… maybe this is the first layer of a multi layered approach and it’s just getting started? I’ll keep my eyes open for any changes and will give my honest feedback. I don’t think whatever is happening atm is helping much.
I thought the last test using v3 did a tremendous job of getting rid of bots. Yes, humans were running into blocks but there wasn’t enough time to tinker with those parameters to try and find a balance were humans weren’t getting caught up and bots were still being blocked. I’m not sure why more time wasn’t spent testing that? I know some people reported timeout issues, including myself, but there wasn’t even enough time given for my timeout to be over to see if I could avoid it again. I didn’t notice people asking for v3 to be removed though. I suggested that using v3 without timeout restrictions might be enough but I don’t think that was even tried. The proof will be in the numbers you collect and I believe v3 was blocking bots. I could see it on my end using the marketplace and your numbers supported that as well. Right now, I don’t see anything telling me bots are gone… I hope you are allowed to continue working on this. -
@TripleH-4481_PSN definitely true
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Howdy,
As always, our measures are met with counter measures, but this time we have the upper hand and we'll squeeze them out and make it unsustainable to keep coming into the Community Market
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I’m not sure how closely the market is being monitored or if it is being monitored at all. The only difference I notice since doing a captcha verification twice is that many cards are being kept at price points that don’t reflect recent completed orders and pending bids. As I’ve said before, I’m not an economist but I’ve been playing around in this marketplace to know when something is off. For example Yordan alveeez postseason card buy bids are at 67k, 65k the. 57k. Every few minutes one sells at 67k and instead of going down the list of bids and naturally going down to the 57k range, a new buy bid is made at 67k again. Is someone watching 24/7 to make a new bid 12k above the highest bid? Over and over and over again? Maybe. Probably not tho. Many cats are being artificially kept at bids way above were they should be according to market demand. I hope you keep squeezing so there can be more signs of prices reflecting market demand instead of bot demand. I am hopeful this method can be effective but since being put into action yesterday I’m not seeing it. I wanted to make sure that some response is recorded because I haven’t seen feedback from any other players this afternoon. I’m rooting for you
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@manu__sds_mlbts I think for next year you should do random email verification multiple times a day while using the app. Appreciate your communication and what your trying to do.
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@DEF266_PSN I like that idea. But instead of just doing a verification only by email, maybe do verification via google authentication too.
