What's the process when adding Legends to The Show?
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They have to negotiate rights with the former players or their estate if deceased, like a NIL contract. Big oversimplification, but that’s the jist of it. That’s why some were taken out or why some will never be in.
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I understand that's part of it, but as far as the numbers of players available, I feel like they limit it themselves, based on the time and resources they have, too, right?
Sometimes it seems like the rights to use a certain player remain, but they replace some of those guys anyhow, for the sake of limitations of the software itself.
Why have two of one player, while removing others that are likely still under contract?
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@Zachtronics_XBL $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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@GoozeFn_PSN Duh! There's still other reasons. The number of Legends seems to go up by 10, every year. And the Andre Dawson thing still raises a lot of questions.
I don't see how a guy like Fred McGriff gets dropped during his inaugural year, either.
And Tony Tarasco? He's an interesting choice, don't you think?
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It goes up by ten, but also goes down by ten. We also lost about about 15 legends this year including:
Mariano Rivera, Mike Schmidt, Ernie Banks, Tom Henke, Brian Wilson, others -
No joke, right!? I pay close attention to this. The net gains each year seems to be about ten, but yeah, we lose quite a few to replacements.
Let's look at the case of Jimmie Foxx: are we suggesting that his "contract" ran out, or was he simply substituted arbitrarily replaced (temporarily) by a Turkey Stearnes, for example?
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What we know
retired players come from the Hall of Fame, the Alumni Association (think they call it different now),and from individual players/estates.
There is a license fee for having them in the game
What we don't know
Is it a standard fee or do some players cost more than others
Who do the organizations make available and how many
Duration of the license
Who declines to be a part
Who wants to but can't get in -
@Zachtronics_XBL Foxx with C secondary was a must every year
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I appreciate this; it gets me closer to understanding 100% of how this is done. I've been trying to figure this out since about 2016. The question now is: Does SDS reach out to players they'd like to see in the game, first, before this process begins?
If we could just transfer our created players from year-to-year, this wouldn't be as much of an issue for many of us.
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He's really missed. I love the catcher secondary for him. He can be recreated for Franchise, etc., but the professionally created version was perfect!
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A. Players get dropped for all sorts of reasons: financial, legal (hello, Mr. Belle!), or just because no one used their card and the legend contract expense couldn't be justified (hello, Aubry Huff!)
B. Just because a former legend isn't in the game today doesn't mean they've been dropped. Jimmie Foxx has been a late arriver for a couple of years now, not making his debut until August or later. Or, in the cases of Dawson and Ted, they return after after a year or two absence.
C. Any BIG name legends (ARod, Bonds, DiMaggio, Koufax, Ichico, etc.) aren't going to be mid-year additions and will only debut at a game's launch. Vinny Castilla or Paul Moliter? Sure, they'll debut midway through a year. Albert Pujols or Frank Robinson? Not a chance!
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@SaveFarris_PSN never going to get Bonds....also, I agree that having duplicates is ridiculous. Or, having Legends that are still playing. I.E. Kershaw, Harper
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@SaveFarris_PSN But, Jimmie Foxx hasn't been in the game for at least 3 years now. He hasn't been added later, either.
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@SaveFarris_PSN Aubrey Huff can rot in hell if you ask me…
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@ralph13m_PSN Jimmie Foxx was apparently only removed for MLB The Show 24. Never say never to any player, including Barry Bonds, who will likely get into the Hall of Fame, now that Shoeless Joe and his teammates, along with Pete Rose, have been pardoned. I definitely don't feel like it's necessary to have Kershaw's, Harper's, even Kipnis, Dozier... guys who aren't really legends.
I think it's good to have players from a century ago introduced, more often, just as they're doing with the Negro League players. I wanted guys like Satchel Paige to show up, for almost a decade.George Sisler is a must for the near future, especially given his role as a scout for Branch Rickey. He was not only a top tier player, but was the guy who found Jackie Robinson. When they added the new commentary, they forgot to record "Sisler", "McGriff", and a LOT of names for players for existed. Instead, we have these REALLY bizarre last names that no one has in the sport.
@SaveFarris_PSN There's a lot of conjecture, but I'm digging for specifics on every player. BIG names is just a point-of-view, not a fact.
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Here's the full list:
Mariano Rivera
John Smoltz
Rich Aurilia
Brian Wilson
Paul Konerko
Dante Bichette
Kevin Youkilis
Johnny Damon
Vinny Castilla
AJ Burnett
Troy Percival
Tim Salmon
Mike Schmidt
Bret Saberhagen
Tom Henke
John Kruk
Greg Vaughn
Ron Guidry
Ken Griffey Sr.
Ernie Banks
Fergie Jenkins
Minnie Miñoso -
7 MLB HOFs lost this year. How pathetic. All of these guys were so fun with theme teams.
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@Zachtronics_XBL I was referring never getting Barry Bonds in so far as even when he was playing he never authorized his likeness to be used. Even going back all the way to the old All-Star baseball on N64. If I remember correctly, there was a stand-in that would be used that was called Reggie Stocker. Now, if they introduced a legend named Reggie Stocker I would say, "well played SDS. "
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@ralph13m_PSN Yeah, you're right. What was his pseudo-name in the older games? lol
@TheBigPapa55_PSN It seems like some of those names are on hold. I'll be they're in the files somewhere, just turned off for the time being, not visible to anyone but possible data-miners.
I've always wondered why there's so few Padres, year-to-year, when the studio is based out of San Diego!
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@Zachtronics_XBL it's a crime that there is no Dave Winfield. Or Randy Jones and Steve Garvey. At least have all the Padres who have had their numbers retired. Even though most people think of Steve Garvey as a Dodger.
