The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?

SDS

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

I think you have it backwards. I think larger teams are more in favor of a salary cap because then the luxury tax would disappear. Smaller teams would then be forced to carry a salary they're already under.

So the luxury tax right now is 210m. If we enact a salary cap of 210m with the deal being that it increases by 2-4% each year, does nothing but benefit them, so I think the bigger teams are 100% in favor of a salary cap. Teams can be given an exemption during the transition so long as they bring it down to the salary cap level within 4 years which by then would be close to 225m.

The smaller owners like the Guardians and their paltry 29m roster salary, would be forced to spend upwards of 80m (80m being the floor) on their rosters and inevitably field better talent or at the least pay their players better.

With this the larger owners have the advantage still, but the smaller owners would be more willing to sign the veterans who can make impacts opposed to having nothing but young cheap talent.

I just don’t see that being much of a benefit for the game. Big market teams will basically be able to continue to spend as they do now. I could be way off base on those but I would rather see a cap of say $180 million as a cap with a salary floor of somewhere between $75-$100 million (this is just a blind throw at giving a number for the sake of an argument. Now something the NFL does is a team has to spend so much every so many years (I believe it’s every five years). I also believe the NFL also offers teams the ability to carry unused cap space to the next year but there would be a max amount you can carry over and it’s only good for the following year or spread out over a two or three year period.

SDS

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

You can't deny its bad for the sport when teams are intentionally tanking year in and year out. Baseball needs saving.

SDS

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@jtownelite_x814x_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@guccigangchuck said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

I find myself frustrated by the sheer lack of news regarding MLB-MLBPA negotiations during the lockout. All of baseball news has gone dark and I’m not getting any news at all.

So are they even trying? Especially MLB, is MLB even trying? Manfred cares nothing about baseball as far as I can tell (he just fired Rosenthal for criticizing him, or in other words, doing his job as a reporter), so I don’t see him in any hurry to get anything done.

My concern is, one, we won’t have a season.
My other concern is how this would affect this year’s game.

Thoughts?

will do nothing to this years game. Game has a different license with MLB

Are you sure about that? If players aren't signed can they still put their likeness into a game?

SDS has licenses with both MLB and MLBPA. Also correct we wouldn't see any IE, updates and possibly any new TN cards. Topps like SDS is a separate entity and can generate cards of the players with the team logos and such.

Ok, but if SDS has a contract with Topps to use those player likenesses for their digital cards; us that contract still active even though Topps sold their company to Fanatics?

Wouldn't SDS have to set up a contract with Fanatics?

SDS

@jtownelite_x814x_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@jtownelite_x814x_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@guccigangchuck said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

I find myself frustrated by the sheer lack of news regarding MLB-MLBPA negotiations during the lockout. All of baseball news has gone dark and I’m not getting any news at all.

So are they even trying? Especially MLB, is MLB even trying? Manfred cares nothing about baseball as far as I can tell (he just fired Rosenthal for criticizing him, or in other words, doing his job as a reporter), so I don’t see him in any hurry to get anything done.

My concern is, one, we won’t have a season.
My other concern is how this would affect this year’s game.

Thoughts?

will do nothing to this years game. Game has a different license with MLB

Are you sure about that? If players aren't signed can they still put their likeness into a game?

SDS has licenses with both MLB and MLBPA. Also correct we wouldn't see any IE, updates and possibly any new TN cards. Topps like SDS is a separate entity and can generate cards of the players with the team logos and such.

Ok, but if SDS has a contract with Topps to use those player likenesses for their digital cards; us that contract still active even though Topps sold their company to Fanatics?

Wouldn't SDS have to set up a contract with Fanatics?

I'm not 100% sure about that, interesting question.

SDS

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

You can't deny its bad for the sport when teams are intentionally tanking year in and year out. Baseball needs saving.

And this is why there needs to be a floor and something to disincentivize tanking. How many years were the Astros the laughing stock of baseball before they won the World Series? I’m watching the O’s tank hard now and it sucks.

SDS

@raylewissb47_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

You can't deny its bad for the sport when teams are intentionally tanking year in and year out. Baseball needs saving.

And this is why there needs to be a floor and something to disincentivize tanking. How many years were the Astros the laughing stock of baseball before they won the World Series? I’m watching the O’s tank hard now and it sucks.

I really like the idea of teams who just miss the WC getting the 1-4 picks in the draft. They also need to fix revenue sharing.

SDS

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@raylewissb47_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

You can't deny its bad for the sport when teams are intentionally tanking year in and year out. Baseball needs saving.

And this is why there needs to be a floor and something to disincentivize tanking. How many years were the Astros the laughing stock of baseball before they won the World Series? I’m watching the O’s tank hard now and it sucks.

I really like the idea of teams who just miss the WC getting the 1-4 picks in the draft. They also need to fix revenue sharing.

Fixing revenue sharing is pretty high on my list of stuff I want them to change. Its the main reason for blackouts. I would gladly pay the price of MLB TV if I could watch my own [censored] team

SDS

@the_dragon1912 said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@raylewissb47_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

You can't deny its bad for the sport when teams are intentionally tanking year in and year out. Baseball needs saving.

And this is why there needs to be a floor and something to disincentivize tanking. How many years were the Astros the laughing stock of baseball before they won the World Series? I’m watching the O’s tank hard now and it sucks.

I really like the idea of teams who just miss the WC getting the 1-4 picks in the draft. They also need to fix revenue sharing.

Fixing revenue sharing is pretty high on my list of stuff I want them to change. Its the main reason for blackouts. I would gladly pay the price of MLB TV if I could watch my own [censored] team

Same. Instead I stream everything illegally and have for half a decade

SDS

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

Excellent point, although I would personally prefer a salary cap as well.

SDS

They also need to fix revenue sharing.

Now THIS, I can get behind. For the longest time, St Louis was paying revenue sharing and Philly was receiving revenue sharing, which was just the dumbest system ever invented.

SDS

Skimmed through the replies; but has anyone mentioned imposing a Salary Cap?

SDS

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

Wait which team was bottom 5?

SDS

@savefarris_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

At the end of the day I think we see a salary cap. It saved the NHL, it can save Baseball.

Baseball doesn’t need saving.

Within the last decade, a bottom 5 revenue team won the World Series and the Yankees won zero.

I thought there was a salary cap but the Yankees are so rich they can pay off the fees

SDS

Yeah looking back several years no team has won the WS with a less than league average payroll.

SDS

@jtownelite_x814x_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

Wouldn't SDS have to set up a contract with Fanatics?

only if their current deal with Topps was expiring this offseason which I don't think is the case. Fanatics purchasing the company doesn't change the contract, it just transfers over.

SDS

@ikasnu_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

Yeah looking back several years no team has won the WS with a less than league average payroll.

7/10 of the teams in the last 5 World Series have been top 8 in payroll on opening day. I agree with you, it's more weighted toward the elites than something resembling parity.

SDS

It's still January and still cold in most states. Maybe everyone is just frozen in place and can't do anything atm.

SDS

@thegoaler_psn said in The Lockout: Are They Even Trying?:

It's still January and still cold in most states. Maybe everyone is just frozen in place and can't do anything atm.

My alternate theory is that Rob Manfred can't stop smelling his own farts. So he decided to shove his head up his own [censored] and can't figure out how to undo the situation. [censored] Monfort showed up to help, but instead also lodged his head up Robs [censored]. [censored] Monfort then decided nepotism was the way.

SDS

After the free agent frenzy early on and then silence due to the strike makes me think of that scene in Spartacus. After forcing his fight with Crixus and just getting demolished Batiatus is screaming at Spartacus " You had the crowd! "

SDS

I, for one, was around in ‘94 the last time this happened. If you guys don’t think the owners are willing to let this carry on into the season in order to get the player’s association to agree to their terms, I urge you to remember the Montreal Expos had the best record in baseball by a mile that year and never got a chance to go to the postseason.

In other words, I don’t think the owners care, and Mr. Manfred’s actions seem to reflect that. It’s very sad.