OK let's complain
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I'll start by saying that hopefully there's some positive ideas in this and that someone that works with SDS accidentally stumbles across this on their lunch break. But I'm an offline player, I don't mind grinding and I probably enjoy collecting players as much as anything else on the game. I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release. So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to. I like most, dislike showdown and moments but still give them a try mostly to gain the XP that they are offering. I haven't had a moment this year yet that I haven't been able to beat but countless that have left me annoyed and wanting to turn off my game. The Clemente program seems to be a huge topic of conversation for offline players because you either have to suffer through the showdown or play online to complete it. I will choose to play online because 5 wins in an event is a couple hours of play and it's much less frustrating than a showdown and I'm not horrible at the game so I will hold my own online. But online definitely has it's warts and I feel for the guys who just want to play online for a few hours a night and move on. The lagging and overpowered fastballs make it more annoying than it should be. And before the "GET GOOD" or the "THAT'S BASEBALL" crowds come and state the obvious, I agree with you but at the same time it's a video game we're not actually on a baseball field. But I want to see some ideas where we as a community think that SDS can improve on a video game that we are going to buy and play a lot regardless of how well they make it.
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@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
I'll start by saying that hopefully there's some positive ideas in this and that someone that works with SDS accidentally stumbles across this on their lunch break. But I'm an offline player, I don't mind grinding and I probably enjoy collecting players as much as anything else on the game. I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release.
So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to. I like most, dislike showdown and moments but still give them a try mostly to gain the XP that they are offering. I haven't had a moment this year yet that I haven't been able to beat but countless that have left me annoyed and wanting to turn off my game. The Clemente program seems to be a huge topic of conversation for offline players because you either have to suffer through the showdown or play online to complete it.
I will choose to play online because 5 wins in an event is a couple hours of play and it's much less frustrating than a showdown and I'm not horrible at the game so I will hold my own online. But online definitely has it's warts and I feel for the guys who just want to play online for a few hours a night and move on.
The lagging and overpowered fastballs make it more annoying than it should be. And before the "GET GOOD" or the "THAT'S BASEBALL" crowds come and state the obvious, I agree with you but at the same time it's a video game we're not actually on a baseball field. But I want to see some ideas where we as a community think that SDS can improve on a video game that we are going to buy and play a lot regardless of how well they make it.
I fixed ur post
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@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release. So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to.
Therein lies your logical fallacy. The message boards are not real life.
SDS has the behind the scenes metrics to see whether or not people are "having as much fun as they hoped to." If those numbers are where SDS expects them to be, it will continue. If they aren't, SDS will adjust as they see fit.
The tenor and volume of message board posts will not factor in one iota into the decision.
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@savefarris_psn said in OK let's complain:
@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release. So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to.
Therein lies your logical fallacy. The message boards are not real life.
SDS has the behind the scenes metrics to see whether or not people are "having as much fun as they hoped to." If those numbers are where SDS expects them to be, it will continue. If they aren't, SDS will adjust as they see fit.
The tenor and volume of message board posts will not factor in one iota into the decision.
Yea I get that and at the end of the day I'd assume it's all about money and I'm sure this game is very profitable being that it's realistically the only MLB game offered. But they have a very active forum to call on at any given time for feedback and they just ignore it for the most part. I don't completely blame them because most of the time this page is used for us to bicker between each other but they have to be getting the message that showdown and complete game "moments" need to be adjusted.
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@savefarris_psn said in OK let's complain:
@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release. So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to.
Therein lies your logical fallacy. The message boards are not real life.
SDS has the behind the scenes metrics to see whether or not people are "having as much fun as they hoped to." If those numbers are where SDS expects them to be, it will continue. If they aren't, SDS will adjust as they see fit.
The tenor and volume of message board posts will not factor in one iota into the decision.
Exactly. People fail to realize that what people say on here is not the majority of opinion. People on here nit pick things because the people that take the time to be on a message board are generally people that play a lot. Not the average player.
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@savefarris_psn said in OK let's complain:
@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release. So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to.
Therein lies your logical fallacy. The message boards are not real life.
SDS has the behind the scenes metrics to see whether or not people are "having as much fun as they hoped to." If those numbers are where SDS expects them to be, it will continue. If they aren't, SDS will adjust as they see fit.
The tenor and volume of message board posts will not factor in one iota into the decision.
Completely agree with this...they have more data than they know what to do with and they put it all to use. I have also realized that message boards really just allow people to disagree. I can't remember a time this year that a post was made here where everyone agreed. Message boards just allow people to disagree and sometimes people disagree for the heck of it.
-Pinpoint ruined the game...no it didn't.
-Updated killed hitting...no it didn't.
-Baserunning is messed up...no it isn't.
-Sinkers are finally nerfed...no they are not.
-Mookie costs too much...no he doesn't.
-We need more offline modes...there are plenty.
-Moments are terrible...I love moments.
-Work the market...I don't have time to work the market.
-Clemente swings a pool noodle...no he doesn't. (oh wait...maybe we agreed on that one )
Sure...SDS reads the stuff here and uses it, but they have a lot of cold hard facts they use first and foremost and are not surrounded by as much noise..
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@savefarris_psn said in OK let's complain:
@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release. So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to.
Therein lies your logical fallacy. The message boards are not real life.
SDS has the behind the scenes metrics to see whether or not people are "having as much fun as they hoped to." If those numbers are where SDS expects them to be, it will continue. If they aren't, SDS will adjust as they see fit.
The tenor and volume of message board posts will not factor in one iota into the decision.
Metrics only really tell them how many people are playing and finishing things, not how much they enjoy them. Obviously people do the moments as it's the only way to aquire tge cards, but that doesn't mean it's enjoyable.
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@macktastic-brad_xbl said in OK let's complain:
@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
I'll start by saying that hopefully there's some positive ideas in this and that someone that works with SDS accidentally stumbles across this on their lunch break. But I'm an offline player, I don't mind grinding and I probably enjoy collecting players as much as anything else on the game. I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release.
So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to. I like most, dislike showdown and moments but still give them a try mostly to gain the XP that they are offering. I haven't had a moment this year yet that I haven't been able to beat but countless that have left me annoyed and wanting to turn off my game. The Clemente program seems to be a huge topic of conversation for offline players because you either have to suffer through the showdown or play online to complete it.
I will choose to play online because 5 wins in an event is a couple hours of play and it's much less frustrating than a showdown and I'm not horrible at the game so I will hold my own online. But online definitely has it's warts and I feel for the guys who just want to play online for a few hours a night and move on.
The lagging and overpowered fastballs make it more annoying than it should be. And before the "GET GOOD" or the "THAT'S BASEBALL" crowds come and state the obvious, I agree with you but at the same time it's a video game we're not actually on a baseball field. But I want to see some ideas where we as a community think that SDS can improve on a video game that we are going to buy and play a lot regardless of how well they make it.
I fixed ur post
You must be a ton of fun at parties. Appreciate the feedback though pal.
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@savefarris_psn said in OK let's complain:
@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release. So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to.
Therein lies your logical fallacy. The message boards are not real life.
SDS has the behind the scenes metrics to see whether or not people are "having as much fun as they hoped to." If those numbers are where SDS expects them to be, it will continue. If they aren't, SDS will adjust as they see fit.
The tenor and volume of message board posts will not factor in one iota into the decision.
They undoubtedly mine and assimilate very deep and thorough data of online players.
Their tendencies. Their dislikes (triggered by quits sometimes I would suspect). Burn-out points. When do they quit playing online. Is it 2 weeks into the game or 2 months. All sorts of patterns, flags, and tendencies that are stored as statistical data and eventually transformed into meaningful and useful context.
It's actually where the rubber meets the road for future decisions and changes relative to online play. Just a theory, but a fairly experienced theory.
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@maskedgrappler said in OK let's complain:
@savefarris_psn said in OK let's complain:
@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release. So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to.
Therein lies your logical fallacy. The message boards are not real life.
SDS has the behind the scenes metrics to see whether or not people are "having as much fun as they hoped to." If those numbers are where SDS expects them to be, it will continue. If they aren't, SDS will adjust as they see fit.
The tenor and volume of message board posts will not factor in one iota into the decision.
Metrics only really tell them how many people are playing and finishing things, not how much they enjoy them. Obviously people do the moments as it's the only way to aquire tge cards, but that doesn't mean it's enjoyable.
I agree with this 100%. Just because it shows that players played a specific game mode doesn't mean they had fun. There are a ton of scenarios that are going to naturally lead to more players playing more (work from home, school from home, lockdown still in place when the game was release, next gen systems not really having a large selection of games to play, opening the game up to xbox players). They could have released an absolute dumpster fire of a game and the analytics would show more success than previous years. I'm not saying the game is bad I still have fun playing but for the most part it seems that there could be simple tweaks to improve how much we enjoy the game.
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@maskedgrappler said in OK let's complain:
Metrics only really tell them how many people are playing and finishing things, not how much they enjoy them. Obviously people do the moments as it's the only way to aquire tge cards, but that doesn't mean it's enjoyable.
People that don't finish things don't finish them by and large because they don't enjoy them. And even if they do finish them, they're going to do it a much slower pace because they don't like accomplishing the tasks.
SDS can track that. And they do. And use that statistical data accordingly.
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@savefarris_psn said in OK let's complain:
@maskedgrappler said in OK let's complain:
Metrics only really tell them how many people are playing and finishing things, not how much they enjoy them. Obviously people do the moments as it's the only way to aquire tge cards, but that doesn't mean it's enjoyable.
People that don't finish things don't finish them by and large because they don't enjoy them. And even if they do finish them, they're going to do it a much slower pace because they don't like accomplishing the tasks.
SDS can track that. And they do. And use that statistical data accordingly.
I see an error in that data though. Whenever topps now moments or player programs or even showdowns (before I realized you can max out the XP path in a few weeks with or without doing it) I would do this stuff as soon as it came out because I knew it would be a wall to something I would want in the future whether that be XP or players needed for collections. But that doesn't mean I had fun that just means I did it fast to get it over with. The eat your all your vegetables before you get dessert little Timmy theory.
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So you don't do that stuff as soon as it comes out now because you don't enjoy it as much.
Thus proving my point.
Thanks!
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We really won't have a good measure of how much people are enjoying themselves until next year's version comes out. If sales are pretty close to the same or greater than they were this year, it will send a pretty powerful message that despite the negativity on this board the vast majority of the player base is happy. If there's a noticeable drop, then we can probably expect major changes to be made.
As far as the clemente program, I consider the need to do showdown or online play a minor inconvenience that doesn't significantly detract from my overall enjoyment. I may not personally enjoy those parts of the game, but I'm sure many players do and I realize that it's not all about me. It makes perfect sense that programs would be structured in a way that encourages players to try as many different modes as possible. People who expect content to be tailored to their own narrow preferences were never being realistic.
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Whenever topps now moments or player programs or even showdowns (before I realized you can max out the XP path in a few weeks with or without doing it) I would do this stuff as soon as it came out because I knew it would be a wall to something I would want in the future whether that be XP or players needed for collections. But that doesn't mean I had fun that just means I did it fast to get it over with.
Exactly! there's no way for them to know if I'm "enjoying" the game. I'm doing those stupid Topps now moments bc i need them for the player of month program. If not, they could take a long walk off a short cliff. The only moments I ever do is because I have to. And the only reason they would see that I maybe "enjoy" is because this is the only game I play and the only reason I have a PS4, so it's not like i'm enjoying so much that im not playing other games.
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@savefarris_psn said in OK let's complain:
So you don't do that stuff as soon as it comes out now because you don't enjoy it as much.
Thus proving my point.
Thanks!
If you reread my post I said I do this stuff as soon as it comes out to get it out of the way. Maybe I'm weird but I always do the less enjoyable stuff first. I'd rather (pitch 6 innings without given up a hit on all star) first than (hit home run on rookie) because I know the annoying stuff will be more time consuming. But back to your original point the analytics will show I spent more time and went after the things we would consider less fun first. Thus leaving flawed data.
I do understand that as an internet based community that most of us would rather just be sarcastic and try to be right rather than try to work together to give a suggestion to the SDS gods that we hope look at this so I understand your post.
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I wish the game wasn’t decided by HR all the time.
I do honestly still think a perfect swing should result in at least a single. It’s a video game.
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@whitejw98_psn said in OK let's complain:
We really won't have a good measure of how much people are enjoying themselves until next year's version comes out. If sales are pretty close to the same or greater than they were this year, it will send a pretty powerful message that despite the negativity on this board the vast majority of the player base is happy. If there's a noticeable drop, then we can probably expect major changes to be made.
As far as the clemente program, I consider the need to do showdown or online play a minor inconvenience that doesn't significantly detract from my overall enjoyment. I may not personally enjoy those parts of the game, but I'm sure many players do and I realize that it's not all about me. It makes perfect sense that programs would be structured in a way that encourages players to try as many different modes as possible. People who expect content to be tailored to their own narrow preferences were never being realistic.
Very good post. I agree with what your saying. But, I think that with offering the game to new platforms and being the only baseball game produced by a major studio those numbers can lead to flawed numbers in sales. Dozens if not hundreds of people post on here they are never going to buy this game again every year and they still do because they love baseball and 60 dollars really isn't that much money to most people.
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@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
@macktastic-brad_xbl said in OK let's complain:
@msacks11_psn said in OK let's complain:
I'll start by saying that hopefully there's some positive ideas in this and that someone that works with SDS accidentally stumbles across this on their lunch break. But I'm an offline player, I don't mind grinding and I probably enjoy collecting players as much as anything else on the game. I see people complaining on this thread almost every time there's a content release.
So it leads me to believe that people overall aren't having as much fun playing this game as they had hoped to. I like most, dislike showdown and moments but still give them a try mostly to gain the XP that they are offering. I haven't had a moment this year yet that I haven't been able to beat but countless that have left me annoyed and wanting to turn off my game. The Clemente program seems to be a huge topic of conversation for offline players because you either have to suffer through the showdown or play online to complete it.
I will choose to play online because 5 wins in an event is a couple hours of play and it's much less frustrating than a showdown and I'm not horrible at the game so I will hold my own online. But online definitely has it's warts and I feel for the guys who just want to play online for a few hours a night and move on.
The lagging and overpowered fastballs make it more annoying than it should be. And before the "GET GOOD" or the "THAT'S BASEBALL" crowds come and state the obvious, I agree with you but at the same time it's a video game we're not actually on a baseball field. But I want to see some ideas where we as a community think that SDS can improve on a video game that we are going to buy and play a lot regardless of how well they make it.
I fixed ur post
You must be a ton of fun at parties. Appreciate the feedback though pal.
I'm the guy that stays hours after to help clean up
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I’m gonna need some paragraphs to read that.
