Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
You said, "Pitcher's don't win games". If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
It's really not that hard to understand dog.
And how was that 1 run scored? Unless the pitcher hit a solo shot and had 27 strikeouts, then the team won the game. The pitcher didn't win it for the team on his own. Even then, you need a catcher that won't drop all those strikeouts.
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@savefarris_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
Please point to all the 1-0 shutouts won by Kyle Hendricks this year.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=hendrky01&t=p&year=2021
Go ahead, I'll wait...
This was last year....my point still stands. You guys sound stupid claiming pitcher's can't win games for their team. I wonder if DeGrom is capable of winning a game for his ball team?
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Unless deGrom get an RBI hit, he can't win a game. He can keep his team in the game, but the offense has to score at least 1 run to win the game. That is the only point these guys are trying to make. deGrom is the perfect example. The guy won 2 Cy Youngs and deserved both of them but only had 10 and 11 wins those 2 seasons. Should he not have won those 2 Cy Youngs because he has some of the worst run support in MLB history? No, because run support has nothing to do with pitching.
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The guy with a Cubs logo sure can’t read with so much tears in his eyes…
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
The team did. He held them scoreless and the team scored a run to win the game. Unless he hit the game winning rbi, the team won the game off of his great pitching. If you have to score to win, you can't actually win a game by pitching. The team wins
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games. Teams do. There is no attribute that looks at pitchers W/L. A pitcher with a 5-15 record and a 2.25 ERA is a WAY better pitcher than a pitcher with a 15-5 record and a 3.50 ERA (ask deGrom in years past).
Also I think Hendricks leads the league in the most hits given up. Thats not a good thing.
"Pitcher's don't win games".......LOL
Why the LOL? Do pitchers score runs?
Wins is probably the most overrated stat for a pitcher overall. That's not to say that good pitchers aren't going to typically win the most games. But there's been plenty of pitchers that have high win total season, who were really not that good overall.
Bottomline for Hendricks: He's 67th in WAR for pitchers. His team scores 5.32 runs/game for him. 13 wins for him is really irrelevant to his stats as a whole.
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
That'd be DeJong IIRC
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The correct answer is: A pitcher doesn't win you a game but they sure as heck can lose it
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@hikes83_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Time for my favourite Bill Murray quote:
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's [censored] near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
My favorite life quote: Mind your own business. Homeboy literally wrote pitcher's don't win games. That's simply not true
You're making a semantics argument and missing the point that his statement was an argument just as much in support of pitchers as it was a criticism of Hendricks overall.
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@savefarris_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
Please point to all the 1-0 shutouts won by Kyle Hendricks this year.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=hendrky01&t=p&year=2021
Go ahead, I'll wait...
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@savefarris_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
Please point to all the 1-0 shutouts won by Kyle Hendricks this year.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=hendrky01&t=p&year=2021
Go ahead, I'll wait...
This was last year....my point still stands. You guys sound stupid claiming pitcher's can't win games for their team. I wonder if DeGrom is capable of winning a game for his ball team?
Again, this is a stupid semantics argument. The pitcher pitches well and puts his team in a position to win but unless he is knocking in runs, he's not winning games for his team.
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
That was 2 years ago. Dont think that 1 outing will change his rating too much for this year.
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games. Teams do. There is no attribute that looks at pitchers W/L. A pitcher with a 5-15 record and a 2.25 ERA is a WAY better pitcher than a pitcher with a 15-5 record and a 3.50 ERA (ask deGrom in years past).
Also I think Hendricks leads the league in the most hits given up. Thats not a good thing.
"Pitcher's don't win games".......LOL
Nope! They put themselves in position to win if they pitch well, but you can pitch your [censored] off and still lose.
You make no sense. Just because you can pitch well and still lose doesn't mean pitcher's can't win the game.
Who is responsible for a shutout win?
The offense. Pitcher wins don't mean [censored] anyway, they're the most useless statistic in the beisbol.
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138 hits (only 3.7 ERA) and still has 13 wins and only 4 losses? What does that tell you!? Pitching clutch much? Now if you cant agree he should go up, tell how he is going down and Alzolay is higher rated. The should at least switch the two.
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@snowninja_mlbts said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
138 hits (only 3.7 ERA) and still has 13 wins and only 4 losses? What does that tell you!? Pitching clutch much? Now if you cant agree he should go up, tell how he is going down and Alzolay is higher rated. The should at least switch the two.
Alzolay gives up less hits/inning and strikes out more batters/inning than Hendricks. The biggest knock on Alzolay is his control as he walks alot more batters
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@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games. Teams do. There is no attribute that looks at pitchers W/L. A pitcher with a 5-15 record and a 2.25 ERA is a WAY better pitcher than a pitcher with a 15-5 record and a 3.50 ERA (ask deGrom in years past).
Also I think Hendricks leads the league in the most hits given up. Thats not a good thing.
I’m not saying Hendricks is an outstanding starting pitcher but FIP is a really bad stat to look at for him. He consistently outperforms metrics such as fip because they do such a bad job grading him in particular
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@hikes83_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
He’s generalizing of course. Why be so literal?
Jesus, SANITY. How hard is this to understand, right? Both of these guys are dug in.
YES, a pitcher who throws a gem can "win" a game for his team. TRANSLATION: Be the major reason why the team won that game.
YES, a pitcher's W-L record rarely tells the complete or real story of his effectiveness as a pitcher.
Some people just like to fight. And they keep the flames high by doubling down on strict interpretations of what's written.
Be adults, Jesus.
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WHIP, FIP, and pretty much every other pitching metric > using W/L record to assess a pitcher's production like it's still 1986
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Shutouts all that matters? Give me a break. He doesn't walk batters AND have you checked the Quality Starts category? That is what really matters. Hendo again is only 2nd in the entire MLB with 16 quality starts behind W. Buehler. You know what complete games do? Wear a pitcher out and ruin his longevity. And the live Series goes off how the current player is doing at the time. Look at Hendricks last 15 starts. 11-0 with a 2.78 ERA.
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At least explain to me how Hendricks is going down? And how Alzolay has a higher rating? I'll wait...
