Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?
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Your rationale is old school thinking. It's what got Bob Welch a Cy Young award in 1990 instead of Roger Clemens. Welch won because he led the league in wins with a 27-6 record. Clemens was 21-6, but had a 10.4 WAR vs 2.9 for Welch. Clemens roasted him in every category except for wins. It means the Rocket was a MUCH better pitcher than Bob Welch that season, even though the CY voting didnt reflect that.
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Time for my favourite Bill Murray quote:
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's [censored] near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
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@hikes83_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Time for my favourite Bill Murray quote:
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's [censored] near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
Maybe its just fanboi talk. And given what happened to the Cubs this week, Ill forgive him lol. I went through that with my Rockets recently.
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@hikes83_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Time for my favourite Bill Murray quote:
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's [censored] near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
My favorite life quote: Mind your own business. Homeboy literally wrote pitcher's don't win games. That's simply not true
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@hikes83_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Time for my favourite Bill Murray quote:
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's [censored] near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
My favorite life quote: Mind your own business. Homeboy literally wrote pitcher's don't win games. That's simply not true
You cannot take one part of a conversation out of context dude! Please understand that lol. We both been here too long to argue about this BS.
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@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@hikes83_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Time for my favourite Bill Murray quote:
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's [censored] near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
Maybe its just fanboi talk. And given what happened to the Cubs this week, Ill forgive him lol. I went through that with my Rockets recently.
You wrote something stupid and I pointed it out. Simple as that. Don't over analyze this one
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@hikes83_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Time for my favourite Bill Murray quote:
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's [censored] near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
Maybe its just fanboi talk. And given what happened to the Cubs this week, Ill forgive him lol. I went through that with my Rockets recently.
You wrote something stupid and I pointed it out. Simple as that. Don't over analyze this one
Oh I absolutely stand behind what I said. If you think it is stupid then you must be the "I" in team.
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
Please point to all the 1-0 shutouts won by Kyle Hendricks this year.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=hendrky01&t=p&year=2021
Go ahead, I'll wait...
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
You said, "Pitcher's don't win games". If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
It's really not that hard to understand dog.
And how was that 1 run scored? Unless the pitcher hit a solo shot and had 27 strikeouts, then the team won the game. The pitcher didn't win it for the team on his own. Even then, you need a catcher that won't drop all those strikeouts.
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@savefarris_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
Please point to all the 1-0 shutouts won by Kyle Hendricks this year.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=hendrky01&t=p&year=2021
Go ahead, I'll wait...
This was last year....my point still stands. You guys sound stupid claiming pitcher's can't win games for their team. I wonder if DeGrom is capable of winning a game for his ball team?
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Unless deGrom get an RBI hit, he can't win a game. He can keep his team in the game, but the offense has to score at least 1 run to win the game. That is the only point these guys are trying to make. deGrom is the perfect example. The guy won 2 Cy Youngs and deserved both of them but only had 10 and 11 wins those 2 seasons. Should he not have won those 2 Cy Youngs because he has some of the worst run support in MLB history? No, because run support has nothing to do with pitching.
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The guy with a Cubs logo sure can’t read with so much tears in his eyes…
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
The team did. He held them scoreless and the team scored a run to win the game. Unless he hit the game winning rbi, the team won the game off of his great pitching. If you have to score to win, you can't actually win a game by pitching. The team wins
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games. Teams do. There is no attribute that looks at pitchers W/L. A pitcher with a 5-15 record and a 2.25 ERA is a WAY better pitcher than a pitcher with a 15-5 record and a 3.50 ERA (ask deGrom in years past).
Also I think Hendricks leads the league in the most hits given up. Thats not a good thing.
"Pitcher's don't win games".......LOL
Why the LOL? Do pitchers score runs?
Wins is probably the most overrated stat for a pitcher overall. That's not to say that good pitchers aren't going to typically win the most games. But there's been plenty of pitchers that have high win total season, who were really not that good overall.
Bottomline for Hendricks: He's 67th in WAR for pitchers. His team scores 5.32 runs/game for him. 13 wins for him is really irrelevant to his stats as a whole.
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
That'd be DeJong IIRC
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The correct answer is: A pitcher doesn't win you a game but they sure as heck can lose it
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@hikes83_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Time for my favourite Bill Murray quote:
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's [censored] near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
My favorite life quote: Mind your own business. Homeboy literally wrote pitcher's don't win games. That's simply not true
You're making a semantics argument and missing the point that his statement was an argument just as much in support of pitchers as it was a criticism of Hendricks overall.
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@savefarris_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
Please point to all the 1-0 shutouts won by Kyle Hendricks this year.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=hendrky01&t=p&year=2021
Go ahead, I'll wait...
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@savefarris_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
If your team win a game 1-0 then indeed your pitcher "won" that game for your team.
Please point to all the 1-0 shutouts won by Kyle Hendricks this year.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=hendrky01&t=p&year=2021
Go ahead, I'll wait...
This was last year....my point still stands. You guys sound stupid claiming pitcher's can't win games for their team. I wonder if DeGrom is capable of winning a game for his ball team?
Again, this is a stupid semantics argument. The pitcher pitches well and puts his team in a position to win but unless he is knocking in runs, he's not winning games for his team.
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@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@ccarr77_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
@chuckclc_psn said in Give Cubs SP Kyle Hendricks some love already! MLB leader in wins and he gets a downgrade!?:
Because you are claiming the opposite I could say you are saying that a SP that gives up 8 ER and wins did his job. That is ridiculous. But I am not gonna say that because its stupid.
....but I didn't write that anywhere.
Here is what you wrote...
"Also has a 4.66 FIP and a 1.275 WHIP. The worst he has ever had. Pitchers dont win games."
You edited your comment to add "teams do'...
Ok, and that was before anyone responded, whats your point?
Andwer this and we can be done....
Who won the games for the Cubs when they shutout the Cardinals on 81 pitches with Kyle Hendricks on the mound?
I'll wait...
That was 2 years ago. Dont think that 1 outing will change his rating too much for this year.
